Mini 2133: XP Mafia II (Game Over)

[Farkset]

Farkest, do you notice anything peculiar about 974?

I see momo agreeing with me on everything, obviously i find it ok logicwise

@raya: nothing out of the ordinary

-Farkran

[Ame]

Well for 2 those are the first couple major wagons if I recall correctly. And for 3, that was not a solid case.

What do you make of this?

[Farkset]

Townread {Hectic} - solid metaread, still have to analyze the recent scumgame i found but i think i know hectic
Townlean {Pine, Raya, Ame*} - liked pine introduction and followups, he and raya are tonally the most genuine slots; Ame see below
Null {mastina, momo, Lady Chloe**} - mastina is a lurker i didn't expect to see in this game after spectating TM2020, i think she wil be readable as soon as she produces content; momo is pending a springlul flip tbh; chloe see below
Nullscum {pinkball, gingie} - very little content from both, no scumhunting, tinfoil theory on pinkball
Scum {springlul, FOC, NK15}

*Pending analysis of scumgame, i need to verify if efforting this much as scum and fueling battles is within her scumrange, otherwise it's a reasonable townlean based on her towngames.

**I'm not sure if i like my scumlean on Lady Chloe anymore based on my recent exchange with her and the addition of NK15 to the scumpool so i will place her in the null tier for now.

Also from my notes:
Mastina vs Chloe disaligned
Ame vs springlullaby disaligned
Hectic vs springlullaby disaligned

-Farkran

So you have more on the scumside than you do on the townside. Does that seem strange to you or do you typically find more people scummy than town?

Most people here have one scumread, that is rather concerning.
~ker

[mastina]

Uhg, still not able to post right now.
And I'm

V/LA over weekends

, so I'm not sure I'll be here then either.
So I'll be here either Sunday or Monday.

[Ame]

~I think Spring's play is obvious town. The crudeness. The claim. Her reads. The points she's made (except there was one about Hectic that was really silly, as well as her points on me, but otherwise)

I want you to elaborate this. What are spring reads aside of those two you mention?

These:

Spoiler:

I voted momo early day to start somewhere, it went nowhere (aka zero reply) -> they voted me when I moved to Hectic.
I voted Hectic when I caught something scummy from them, dropped the vote when I saw Giingie do something scummy -> Hectic voted me the second I dropped the vote
I voted Giingie for a post in which he describes scum buddying behavior that he is exhibing in this very game, it was also a half joke/half fishing for reaction vote -> Giingie OMGUS me the few next posts.
I voted Farkscum, when he went overboard for the most scummy case I've seen in a while.
Someone asked for End-day, I think it's an ok compromise solution as the wagon is going nowhere anyway.
I went back to my vote on Farkran because it's where my true scum read lies.

It's not accurate and it does not counter my argument.

hectic = hectic had just recently called springlullaby obnoxious and abrasive (162, 166). That's not scumhunting, that's a personality driven vote, and nothing that hectic did up to that point was scummy.

She was scum reading him long before this: 127, 154. She describes her progression in 167.

gingie = he had just refused to have springlullaby as a leader (401). I can concede this is a joke vote from both sides, but it's not scumhunting.

Ginnie was joking about the leader thing, clearly. And she was BUDDYING her, not attacking her (398 and 408). This directly conflicts with your assertion.

Farkset = i had just recently voted her (454).

This is the only vote that aligns with your claim. However, her vote was justified. I had the same thoughts. Your justification for voting her in 454 reads forced because of how silly and convoluted the reasoning is.

You've agreed that it's reachy, do you not think her reaction to such a case is justified?

So Farkset, what this shows that the first vote you claimed to be reactionary (momo) was an RVS vote that preceded her opposer's; the second vote (Hectic) was based on a scum read that had been established long before her opposer began to imply distaste for her play; the third vote (Ginnie) was placed when her "opposer" was budding up to her and siding with her view on Hectic; and the fourth vote (You) was well justified. Even if you don't believe that the last one is justified, you surely have no grounds for the claim that all or even most of her votes are reactions to the people that voted her. So I ask again, do you maintain your claim?

[Ame]

I like the new avatar. Where's it from?

he he I knew you would ask. This one is also from Death Stranding (same characters as before).

[Ame]

Yes, I did my homework. Hectic being serious instead of jokey joke is NAI. Being intimidated and awkward, instead, are scumtraits from him.

Would you mind providing examples? Particularly of him being serious as town and of what you mean by awkward.

Town
Raya-Ame
FotC-Ginngie-Hectic
Pine-Pink Ball-springlullaby
Farkset
mastina-momo
Scum

Can you elaborate on your Hectic and mastina reads? Regarding mastina, why is she lower than null?

Scummiest attempt to get townread I have seen in a while. I shouldn’t need to explain this vote and won’t because I’m about to sleep, but I’ll write up my thoughts tmmrw after I meta dive spring.

You answered about Hectic, but what about Spring? It's been many a tmmrws.

Went through some of hectic's past games looking for tonal observations. I think that he is town.

Can you explain/provide examples of what sort of tonal observations?

Townread {Hectic} - solid metaread, still have to analyze the recent scumgame i found but i think i know hectic

Could you go into this?

[Farkset]

I'm sorry Ame but you are taking everything at surface level, you refuse to get my points and you are furthering an argument for the sake of being right rather than it being useful to the town.

Springlullaby progression on hectic is terrible and the vote only appeared when hectic talked bad of her, if that was a genuine scumread she would have voted him in response to the supposedly scummy actions, not when he called her obnoxious and abrasive.

Gingie refused to acknowledge springlullaby as quest leader, this is the only serious thing that happened during that exchange - otherwise, once again, the vote would have appeared after those buddying attemptes (which i don't consider as such, ftr) instead. To note here, springlullaby didn't even mention the buddying attempts. Her expanation for the vote is 415.

My reasoning was solid, and understood by at least two people, as you should have noticed. For the third time, springlullaby's vote appeared after being provoked, not on a scumread.

Can you see how far you are sticking your head out to defend your desire to be correct? What you should do here is:
1. Listen to my point of view and explain your own for the purpose of sorting and being sorted, not imposing your reads onto mine - this is highlighted by the "do you maintain your claim" line, which can be paraphrased as "you're wrong, sucker, do you admit it or shall we go on for another year?"
2. Even if i was wrong, and i am not, my main point against springlullaby is still valid and you're doing anything in your power to avoid confronting me on it: there is no reason to townread her so strongly.

Quit your tunnel and open your eyes.

-Farkran

[Farkset]

Given that this springlullaby wagon isn't going anywhere despite being the correct choice, can we compromise on trying to find the 2nd and 3rd scum?

I am fine voting for FOC or NK15 atm. Please state your interest. 2 days left to deadline.

-Farkran

[Farkset]

@Ame Why did you wait with reply to my post until spring gives you answer for that? I asked you in 889 and you reply me with 980. I wanted you to tell what you like in him by yourself.
~ker

[Ame]

Thank you Farkran, my line of questioning is done.

For the record, this is nowhere near the truth:

this is highlighted by the "do you maintain your claim" line, which can be paraphrased as "you're wrong, sucker, do you admit it or shall we go on for another year?"

I was assessing your objectivity.

@Kerset, there was no deliberate reason. As I said before, I wanted for my inquiry to be completed before addressing yours. I went back to answer your question and realized that our conversation already led to Spring posting what you sought.

[Ame]

@All

, my conclusion is that Farkset has a sizable chance of being scum.

454, I believe, is the biggest scum tell. The case is convoluted and relies on too many unreasonable assumptions [

1

]. It's not at all suspicious for Farkran to have speculated about this, but it is scummy that he used it as justification for his vote and continued to use it as one of his reasons for scum reading her later on [

2

]. Due to how low-value the case is (zero value actually) and its length (the measure of Farkset's investment toward it), I believe the case was made for the sake of looking sorty rather than actual sorting.

Farkran, there's no need for you to respond to this (unless you want to), I'm just posting my final thoughts.

Spoiler: Footnotes

1

. Primarily that Spring would need to, in private,

ask

Pink to join the quest. This isn't at all reasonable as it assumes that Spring's motivation for questing is independent of her being scum; whereas if she were scum here, it's likely that her quest plan is scum motivated and something the team are pressing for as a

unit

.

2

. 604: It's fine and dandy that he recognized that it was a reach, but that's not stopping him from using it.

[Farkset]

I'm not a tunneler!

I have nothing to add

-Farkran

[Farkset]

Still available to vote any among spring/foc/nk15

-Farkran

[Ame]

I'm not a tunneler!

I have nothing to add

vote spring

[Farkset]

Oh, right. I forgot that you know that spring is town and i am scum. My bad.

Seriously though, you cared for none of my arguments, your line of questioning was loaded to the point that you pushed your case against things that other people understood when i first said them. You think of yourself as better than everyone else though, and after pages of 1v1, you are still denying the validity of my points and whiteknighting a player for no reason at all, defending springlullaby with words that aren't even her own. You want to believe in your own theory so hard that you refuse any alternative.

If i wasn't pretty much like that myself when tunneling, i would omgus you hard. This is why being town sucks. Now i'm done for good, i'm letting other people speak.

-Farkran

[springlullaby]

@Ame, I'd like to redirect you to my 896. Could you get back to me on it?

[Raya36]

So you have more on the scumside than you do on the townside. Does that seem strange to you or do you typically find more people scummy than town?

Is that not actually a good thing?

One would think it's harder to find reasons to scum read people for, no?

Like a scum player has to overcome looking at town and knowing their town and just lie and say they think someone is scum.


I'm making the claim that it's more town to have more scum reads than you do town reads.

That's a good point. It is harder. But scum do that to keep their options open.
I'm just really torn on the farkset slot. One minute I think they must be scum then the next they seem town.

Well for 2 those are the first couple major wagons if I recall correctly. And for 3, that was not a solid case.

What do you make of this?

I find it odd that he apparently finds Flight scummy but has never even mentioned them in any of his posts. I get a sheepy vibe off of him for that and also for saying that Farkran's case on spring was solid. It just wasn't. Farkran even said it was tinfoil-y.
Another thing I noticed was he purposefully went into your quote that he copied and removed the link to Farkran's post. Almost like he didn't want anyone to see what he was referring to.

[Professor Moriarty]

Seeking replacement for mastina.

[Ginngie]

There goes my FUCKING carry

[Ame]

Raya, thank you. Can you go into your progression on Farkset? Which posts are giving you townie vibes?
Also what was the reason Hectic was your top town read in 256?

Could you get back to me on it?

Yes, I'll get back to you.

[Hectic]

Ame, what did you gather from asking me those questions about Farkran?

[Hectic]

I haven't given the Farkan/Ame conflict the attention it deserves. I expect I won't be able to until the 24th.

momo is still scummy to me.

Ginnie, are mastina replace outs AI in any way?

[Ame]

Hectic I'll respond to that when I get answers to #1006 above.

[Raya36]

Raya, thank you. Can you go into your progression on Farkset? Which posts are giving you townie vibes?
Also what was the reason Hectic was your top town read in 256?

Could you get back to me on it?

Yes, I'll get back to you.

I liked Hectic's thoughts on mechanics and participation in that discussion. I liked 115.

I have a bad habit of subconsciously townreading people that talk a lot which is why it goes Hectic then Farkset. They're both lower on the list now.

I'll get back to you on Farkset. That's going to a while for me to put into words and I'm not even sure what my progression on the slot is yet