Mini Normal 2135 (Endgame)

[Persivul]

Assume 10:3. With 7 to lynch, it takes 7/10 (70%) of town to come together to lynch scum. If IC doesn't vote, then it takes 7/9 (78%).

How did you get 11%?

The difference divided by the original: 7.8/70. Not sure that's the best way to look at it but that's what I did. Intuitively 11% seems low to me.

[Persivul]

I like your vote, but your reasoning sounds really odd.

Huh. I learned it from you the one time we hydra'd. A weak push with no vote is scummy...

[Persivul]

The L-2 is more a scum leaning thing in my mind than a faulty town read.

What's wrong with putting someone to L-2?

Hammering would be an obvious scum claim.

That's why scum would put someone at L-2, to avoid the sus of hammering town.

this ^ guy is also added to my scum reads.

Which one, salad or george? George because that's bolded?

[PranaDevil]

I think regardless of if Wake is on the wagon or not, as confirmed town, he's definitely who should be pushing everyone as hard as possible. At the very least because we want to make certain we get the most use from that slot if he is killed tonight.

[Drew-Sta]

I think my issue is, Prana, that you threw down two votes, then criticised someone else for doing something not dissimilar to you.

I threw down two RVS votes, then criticised Tanner for putting them at L-2.

And you subsequently have agreed that putting someone at L-2 is something scum would do rather than hammer... so you agree with me, while telling me I was wrong to criticise Tanner for it...

No. I suggested we shouldn't be afraid of votes. Votes give intent and help identify patterns later. Something we can use. I also said shit lynches also give us something useful to work with.

I guess I'm happy for collateral damage.

I think you're making conversation for the sake of making conversation and trying to look like you're taking notice of things that aren't really there.

That's a scum charge, but you don't vote it.

VOTE: Drew

Yeah, sure, maybe it is. What of it? You have to poke and prod to get responses. It's clear you're responding. Why are you so threatened?

Also - is Drew-Sta anything remotely similar to Nancy Drew?

Sadly not Just a player clearing out some cobwebs.

Also - is Drew-Sta anything remotely similar to Nancy Drew?

We'll see - if it's a Nancy Drew alt she'll eventually go ballistic on me.

Ballistic gets everyone nowhere. Ballistics, however, can be quite an explosive time

Funny enough i get town and scum reads with a few pages.
I'm not married to the reads but it help sort people out and keep notes on those im not town reading.
I really dont see why tanners views should be pucked apart especially when he asmiited it wasnt a strong read.
People have strong reads early on all the time. Even on page 2.

I have no problem with early reads. I have a problem with poor analysis.

You asked him for his read.

Everyone is town or scum regardless of anything else.

Exactly. So I don't see the point in waiting for

"let's get everyone posting and solidly out of RVS stage"

before I say what I think.

I think George is being relaxed in his posting and interested in solving - questioning vote changes.

I find that to be Town indicative. Is it, as a whole, weak? Yes. Is it strong enough to get it out in the open and get the ball rolling? Also yes.

Do you scumread me for putting Persi on L-2? What about me having a "townread" early on?

Why do you think he's relaxed? Why do you think he's interested?

And there is only 2 pages, what were you expecting?

I think you're making conversation for the sake of making conversation and trying to look like you're taking notice of things that aren't really there.

That's a scum charge, but you don't vote it.

VOTE: Drew

I like your vote, but your reasoning sounds really odd.

VOTE: drew

I didn't ask him for his read at all. You've either not bothered to read what I said or misconstrued it.

I asked how he came to the conclusion of relaxed and interested. Why? Because he drew a conclusion on a player that seemed off. So, it's sensible to ask.

The fact you are happy to follow a vote on 'reasoning [that] sounds really odd' without questioning the person for more info is indicative of your rash approach.

BTW, according to here, I should do the following:

The first school of thought is that you should claim immediately, ideally in your opening post. This ensures that the Cop will not waste an investigation on you. It becomes more likely that you will be lynched or shot by a Vigilante, however; otherwise, it would be too easy for Mafia to fakeclaim Miller as well. This is by far the most common way to play the role on mafiascum.net.

I guess I deviated a little from the norm, but let's get that out of the road.

I fully expect to be dead by day one. I do, however, intend to make sure my remaining time here is as profitable as possible.

So, if the lot of you would lay down your votes off me, we can hopefully gain additional insight on someone else, in the knowledge we have two definitive townies running around, which means there's only 11 left to scrutinise.

I would also encourage the town cop to investigate someone else, not me.

[Tanner]

Drew, you're claiming Miller?

I fully expect to be dead by day one. I do, however, intend to make sure my remaining time here is as profitable as possible.

So, if the lot of you would lay down your votes off me, we can hopefully gain additional insight on someone else, in the knowledge we have two definitive townies running around, which means there's only 11 left to scrutinise.

I would also encourage the town cop to investigate someone else, not me.

Isn't it a bit odd to say that you "fully expect to be dead by day one", but then ask for people to remove their votes as you're one of the "definitive townies"?

[Drew-Sta]

Sorry, dead by day two. I'm the obvious mafia kill, and I honestly don't think it's wise for me to try and 'fake it' to simply be a hero. Better to do my duty and help town.

And yes, I am.

[Tanner]

...how is a Miller claim a more obvious mafia kill than a literal mod-confirmed Innocent Child?

[Drew-Sta]

... yeah, ok, fair call. Maybe I'll last a bit longer. I think the point I'm trying to make is I'm dead man walking.

It's late and I've been drinking. Cut me a little bit of slack.

[Tanner]

I think I'd disagree with that, but that's a theory discussion I'm not really interested in at the moment.

Ok, one more question. Considering you're the one sayign we shouldn't be afraid of votes, how come you haven't put one down yet?

[Drew-Sta]

I think I'd disagree with that, but that's a theory discussion I'm not really interested in at the moment.

Ok, one more question. Considering you're the one sayign we shouldn't be afraid of votes, how come you haven't put one down yet?

I’d rather wait to see everyone post. I also don’t feel compelled to yet. No-one has registered as particularly scummy.

[Tanner]

Posts 48 and 55 gave me an impression you find me suspicious, am I wrong?

[Persivul]

Ok, one more question. Considering you're the one sayign we shouldn't be afraid of votes, how come you haven't put one down yet?

Exactly why I'm voting him.

[Persivul]

I’d rather wait to see everyone post. I also don’t feel compelled to yet. No-one has registered as particularly scummy.

You said you need to poke and prod. That's what votes do at this stage.

[Wake1]

I'll be more active tonight when I wake up. Wasn't expecting to be an IC (never been one before).

Any meta data on any of these players (actually good info) would be great. I figure also since the game has an IC either we're short on PRs or there's maybe a bigger Scumteam. Is that how I games usually balance out?

[farside]

Funny enough i get town and scum reads with a few pages.
I'm not married to the reads but it help sort people out and keep notes on those im not town reading.
I really dont see why tanners views should be pucked apart especially when he asmiited it wasnt a strong read.
People have strong reads early on all the time. Even on page 2.

I have no problem with early reads. I have a problem with poor analysis.

Again, page 2 what did you expect with his analysis.
Your being picky about something that people usually interpret there on way.

I like your vote, but your reasoning sounds really odd.

Huh. I learned it from you the one time we hydra'd. A weak push with no vote is scummy...

I remember that.....i dont know how to explain it but they way you posted it read weird.

The L-2 is more a scum leaning thing in my mind than a faulty town read.

What's wrong with putting someone to L-2?

Hammering would be an obvious scum claim.

That's why scum would put someone at L-2, to avoid the sus of hammering town.

this ^ guy is also added to my scum reads.

Which one, salad or george? George because that's bolded?

Salad. He's adding fuel to the fire without voting.
In other words he reads as agreeing to just agree without adding anything new.

@drew: how long has it been since you played mafia?

[Wake1]

*IC games.

[Persivul]

A lot of people skip the rules and assume two week days, so note this:

8.Length of day phases:7 days .

[Wake1]

A lot of people skip the rules and assume two week days, so note this:

8.Length of day phases:7 days .

Good catch.

Thank you.

[Tanner]

Any meta data on any of these players (actually good info) would be great. I figure also since the game has an IC either we're short on PRs or there's maybe a bigger Scumteam. Is that how IC games usually balance out?

I don't think so. A Day1-reveal IC by itself is not necessarily that strong imo. Unless there's means of keeping it alive, which we can't know at the moment.

Allegedly there's a Miller too. Fun stiff.

[Drew-Sta]

Posts 48 and 55 gave me an impression you find me suspicious, am I wrong?

I think what you wrote wasn't particularly accurate. That's what I picked up on and highlighted. I notice you haven't responded to what I said.

I’d rather wait to see everyone post. I also don’t feel compelled to yet. No-one has registered as particularly scummy.

You said you need to poke and prod. That's what votes do at this stage.

Once again, as I've said before, I have no issue with the votes. I have an issue with the reason why they were made.

Funny enough i get town and scum reads with a few pages.
I'm not married to the reads but it help sort people out and keep notes on those im not town reading.
I really dont see why tanners views should be pucked apart especially when he asmiited it wasnt a strong read.
People have strong reads early on all the time. Even on page 2.

I have no problem with early reads. I have a problem with poor analysis.

Again, page 2 what did you expect with his analysis.
Your being picky about something that people usually interpret there on way.

TBH? Consistent approach.

In any case, stirring the pot to get reactions (which is my way of doing things) generally gets decent responses and allows for discussion. As we're having now

[Drew-Sta]

@drew: how long has it been since you played mafia?

Oh, forgot to respond to this.

Several years on this site. I play on another but it's more a bastard role site.

[Drew-Sta]

Sleep time for me, BTW. I’ll see you all in approx 7-8 hours.

[farside]

@drew: how long has it been since you played mafia?

Oh, forgot to respond to this.

Several years on this site. I play on another but it's more a bastard role site.

Just an fyi
Millers claim in the first post by rule of thumb and typically it wifom because scum have claimed it in the past.

VOTE: salad

[Tanner]

I notice you haven't responded to what I said.

Err, what am I supposed to respond to exactly? To you telling me I'm making conversation for the sake of making conversation? To calling me jumpy? To calling my analysis poor? I mean, I can tell you "I'm not.", "I'm not.", "It's not.", but I don't much see the point?

@farside, why the change of vote?