Mini Normal 2135 (Endgame)

farside · Post Post #100 (ISO) » Sat Apr 18, 2020 3:00 am

In post 99, Tanner wrote:
In post 95, Drew-Sta wrote:I notice you haven't responded to what I said.
Err, what am I supposed to respond to exactly? To you telling me I'm making conversation for the sake of making conversation? To calling me jumpy? To calling my analysis poor? I mean, I can tell you "I'm not.", "I'm not.", "It's not.", but I don't much see the point?

@farside, why the change of vote?

Poke at me later with this question. I have a reason.

Tanner · Post Post #101 (ISO) » Sat Apr 18, 2020 3:02 am

Hmm, ok.

VOTE: Knightmare

Knightmare491 · Post Post #102 (ISO) » Sat Apr 18, 2020 4:01 am

In post 29, GeorgeBailey wrote:
In post 28, farside wrote:This ^

VOTE: george
Why switch from Persivul?

Do you like his reaction to the wagon?

Any reason why you chose to question farside and not PD? He unvoted first.

Knightmare491 · Post Post #103 (ISO) » Sat Apr 18, 2020 4:10 am

In post 81, Drew-Sta wrote:Sorry, dead by day two. I'm the obvious mafia kill, and I honestly don't think it's wise for me to try and 'fake it' to simply be a hero. Better to do my duty and help town.

And yes, I am.

These setups have 4-5 town PRs from what I've read, IC is one, miller is negative utility so I'm not sure if that counts. Do you really think you're going to die soon? I highly doubt it.

mavsfan41 · Post Post #104 (ISO) » Sat Apr 18, 2020 5:14 am

@Drew-Sta: you claimed miller in post 79 right?

Vote: Drew-Sta

mavsfan41 · Post Post #105 (ISO) » Sat Apr 18, 2020 5:15 am

I’m the miller

mavsfan41 · Post Post #106 (ISO) » Sat Apr 18, 2020 5:18 am

@Drew-Sta: i see you did confirm your claim with 81. Sorry, I saw 79 and posted immediately.

mavsfan41 · Post Post #107 (ISO) » Sat Apr 18, 2020 5:25 am

I’m guessing there can’t be two millers in the game.

@Drew-Sta: I respect the hell out of your fake claim. You link to the miller role says anyone who is miller should reveal that first post. You waited till everyone posted and when no one claimed miller, you took it figuring there wasn’t a miller and you could defend against a cop’s guilty claim. Heads up move! I respect the fuck outta that! Sorry I didn’t claim first post and screwed it up.....

Knightmare491 · Post Post #108 (ISO) » Sat Apr 18, 2020 5:31 am

lol brilliant, I don't think any setup review mod would have the balls to approve a Normal with 2 millers.

Knightmare491 · Post Post #109 (ISO) » Sat Apr 18, 2020 5:33 am

VOTE: Drew

I mean it would have probably been better if had let him interact with more people and claim later in the day so that we can catch the other scums as well. But oh well

mavsfan41 · Post Post #110 (ISO) » Sat Apr 18, 2020 5:35 am

In post 58, Wake1 wrote:OK, so apparently I'm an Innocent Child. I had no choice in the matter on when it'd be revealed.

So basically unless someone can protect me tonight I'm a dead man.

It’s either you or me that’s gonna be NK’ed. You’ve now got a 50/50

Knightmare491 · Post Post #111 (ISO) » Sat Apr 18, 2020 5:35 am

corrected

In post 109, Knightmare491 wrote:VOTE: Drew

I mean it would have probably been better if you had let him interact with more people and claimed later in the day so that we can catch the other scums as well. But oh well

Knightmare491 · Post Post #112 (ISO) » Sat Apr 18, 2020 5:40 am

Is there any fast way to check the past games on this queue if they have had more than 1 miller?

Tanner · Post Post #113 (ISO) » Sat Apr 18, 2020 5:41 am

Oh, 2 Miller claims. lol that's brilliant.

Though I'd say not to rush with the Day. Mavs, how come you didn't claim first post?

pedit: I'm not sure. 2 Millers isn't impossible, but I guess it's more likely one of them is lying.

mavsfan41 · Post Post #114 (ISO) » Sat Apr 18, 2020 5:49 am

My first post was an RVS. Every time I’ve been in a game with a miller, that claim is tricky to deal with as it can be an easy fake claim. My philosophy with miller is that you want to claim before night 1 but not necessarily in post 1. (Also, if you’re not suspicious and a potential investigation target night 1, claiming day 1 I think can be put off. Just my opinion but that’s how I feel about the role.)

So I debated letting this play out, but if people bought Drew’s fake claim it would’ve been so much harder claiming miller later and having it be believed esp since Drew could say he claimed immediately wtf are we getting a miller claim now. Also, I want to see if anyone refutes my claim or how quickly Drew is bus’ed by scum. But now that I think about it, perhaps holding off was the best way to go..... my bad. But I got you Drew.... so.... push?

Tanner · Post Post #115 (ISO) » Sat Apr 18, 2020 6:06 am

I mean, sure, Drew is most likely getting lynched Today. But I don't want to quicklynch this soon when half (?) the people haven't contributed past RVS.

Knightmare491 · Post Post #116 (ISO) » Sat Apr 18, 2020 6:08 am

Yes ofc there's no need to QL him. How many votes is he on? No need to put him on l-1 either he could self hammer to end the day faster.

Tanner · Post Post #117 (ISO) » Sat Apr 18, 2020 6:09 am

If my foggy memory serves, 3 or 4. Let's keep it that way for now.

mavsfan41 · Post Post #118 (ISO) » Sat Apr 18, 2020 6:17 am

So this is probably going to be a little convoluted but I hope not......

Drew’s miller claim had to come after everyone had a chance to post assuming the miller would claim with their first post. If he’s got scum mates, then he KNOWS they’re not the miller and MUST ONLY wait for the townies to post without a claim to snatch up that role. Here are the low posters:
Riabi. Luca Blight. Saladman27. I’m guessing one is likely scum as Drew can allow them to be low posters and be sure they’re not miller cause he KNOWS they’re not miller. I mean sure, I was in that group till 30 minutes ago and he still claimed (so maybe a slightly hasty fake claim).

As for a list of players who didn’t push Drew at all (and potential scum mates):
George Bailey. UnaBombaH. Prana Devil.
My best guess would be George Bailey but nothing more than a gut feeling.

The rest of the players pushed Drew unprovoked with townie posts which is something I feel his scummates wouldn’t do this early. And it’s too early for bus’ing to commence so I feel comfortable saying they’re town.

Tanner · Post Post #119 (ISO) » Sat Apr 18, 2020 6:20 am

Why is Knightmare in the "rest of the players"? He didn't push Drew at all until you counterclaimed.

mavsfan41 · Post Post #120 (ISO) » Sat Apr 18, 2020 6:28 am

@Tanner: good point. You’re not wrong with the criteria I’ve set but post 102 strikes me as townie. Knightmare pushes George Bailey (who is in the potential scum pile) about their push on Far Side (town pile) instead of Prana Devil (potential scum grouping).

farside · Post Post #121 (ISO) » Sat Apr 18, 2020 6:35 am

I've seen multiple miller claims before, but god help me I don't remember when, what game or how many claimed miller.
I feel good about mavsfan's claim right now, but I really want to check if miller is something a normal has ever had multiple of before I do a knee jerk reaction to the info.

Persivul · Post Post #122 (ISO) » Sat Apr 18, 2020 6:45 am

In post 105, mavsfan41 wrote:I’m the miller

Plot twist!

I'd vote Drew but I believe I already am.

Persivul · Post Post #123 (ISO) » Sat Apr 18, 2020 6:45 am

In post 108, Knightmare491 wrote:lol brilliant, I don't think any setup review mod would have the balls to approve a Normal with 2 millers.

Agreed.

mavsfan41 · Post Post #124 (ISO) » Sat Apr 18, 2020 6:49 am

I’m starting to think that there’s not two millers in the game. The circumstances around the fake claim suggest there aren’t. Drew-Sta was racking up the votes and only then did he decide to claim. I think the fake claim of miller was a “break glass in case of emergency” type thing in which his hand was forced. So that would make sense as to why he decided to fake claim miller with 4 players having only a single post.

Now I feel slightly better about the George Bailey/Prana Devil thing with regards to Knightmare.