Mini Normal 2135 (Endgame)

[GeorgeBailey]

Sorry, what? When did that happen?

Ah, sorry, he never said it directly but

BTW, according to here, I should do the following:

The first school of thought is that you should claim immediately, ideally in your opening post. This ensures that the Cop will not waste an investigation on you. It becomes more likely that you will be lynched or shot by a Vigilante, however; otherwise, it would be too easy for Mafia to fakeclaim Miller as well. This is by far the most common way to play the role on mafiascum.net.

I guess I deviated a little from the norm, but let's get that out of the road.

I fully expect to be dead by day one. I do, however, intend to make sure my remaining time here is as profitable as possible.

I still think that if there's a vig, he should definitely be the target tonight.

[Drew-Sta]

@George Bailey: so you’d rather let scum!Drew-Sta off the hook and lynch someone who might be town rather than someone extremely likely to be scum? I think you should’ve just bus’ed him rather than try this damage control plan.

George Bailey/Drew-Sta and anyone have a guess on the third?

Also who said anything about a vig? We might not even have a vig in the game. One of you guys hasta be scum bulletproof for you to believe there’s a vig.

@PranaDevil: I had never considered a double scum miller fake claim. Damn!!!! Next time I’m scum I’m stealing that one. That’s brilliant! Alas, not clever enough to have thought of that for this to be the case here though

That’s one of the more irrational posts I’ve ever seen.

[Tanner]

Or, oooooor, we lynch what is very probably scum, and let the possible Vig (which we have no proof of there being!) shoot in the other suspicious slots.

George, is your first reaction to a double Miller claim "oh that's not scum indicative" as opposed to "one of them is fucking lying"?

[Drew-Sta]

You can lynch me today if you need. I’m happy to be a martyr if you can’t settle on another townie.

Mav should be night 1 kill after, if that’s the case. Gives vig, if we have them, a chance to not kill a townie.

[Drew-Sta]

Or, oooooor, we lynch what is very probably scum, and let the possible Vig (which we have no proof of there being!) shoot in the other suspicious slots.

George, is your first reaction to a double Miller claim "oh that's not scum indicative" as opposed to "one of them is fucking lying"?

Answer me this. Why am I lying, but mav is not.

[Tanner]

Because he's the counterclaim?

[GeorgeBailey]

How rare is double miller?

[Drew-Sta]

Because he's the counterclaim?

And all counterclaims are right?

[GeorgeBailey]

George, is your first reaction to a double Miller claim "oh that's not scum indicative" as opposed to "one of them is fucking lying"?

Why is your reaction that one of them is lying?

[Drew-Sta]

I guess why I’m saying that is it is possible he’s also lying.

Look, I’m going to die. That’s fine. But at least consider the possibility of two millers.

[Tanner]

Re George: Borderline Bastard™? I don't think I've ever even heard of something like that.

Re Drew: No. But it's much more likely the first person is the liar rather than the counterclaim. Hell, if he really wanted to get you lynched, he didn't even have to do that by claiming Miller and killing himself tomorrow! People were already suspecting you.

[PranaDevil]

Because he's the counterclaim?

And all counterclaims are right?

No, but usually a counterclaim comes late in the game, not day one to a miller claim, which would lead to them being lynched day 2.

A scum counterclaiming usually happens in lylo or mylo.

[GeorgeBailey]

Re George: Borderline Bastard™? I don't think I've ever even heard of something like that.

Ok, well I didn't know that lmao. I've played with Millers before but not in Normals.

My first instinct was that just because there's multiple of a role, doesn't mean that it's a fake claim.

[farside]

@George Bailey: so you’d rather let scum!Drew-Sta off the hook and lynch someone who might be town rather than someone extremely likely to be scum? I think you should’ve just bus’ed him rather than try this damage control plan.

George Bailey/Drew-Sta and anyone have a guess on the third?

Also who said anything about a vig? We might not even have a vig in the game. One of you guys hasta be scum bulletproof for you to believe there’s a vig.

@PranaDevil: I had never considered a double scum miller fake claim. Damn!!!! Next time I’m scum I’m stealing that one. That’s brilliant! Alas, not clever enough to have thought of that for this to be the case here though

I don't see it.
Just relax mavs-son. Wax on and wax off. Time is on our side for the next 6 days.

[UnaBombaH]

Una, could you elaborate on 26?

Wait what, you were serious about this?

Pure 100% random goof-around vote. Nothing more.

[UnaBombaH]

I agree with Farside that UnaBomber's posts are beginning to smell. Their not being open to the possibility of two millers appears to me to be them accepting an easy way to lynch me to get to night.

Did I vote you? Nope, and you can bet yo sweet PM-flip that I didn't for a reason.
I'm all about discussion happening D1.
Something to chew on D2, and that's what we should be getting.

I was just interested in seeing who's willing to vote for you straight out the gate if they felt like it was an "OK" thing to do.

Haven't seen too many votes, and that might mean something in the long run.

[farside]

I agree with Farside that UnaBomber's posts are beginning to smell. Their not being open to the possibility of two millers appears to me to be them accepting an easy way to lynch me to get to night.

Did I vote you? Nope, and you can bet yo sweet PM-flip that I didn't for a reason.
I'm all about discussion happening D1.
Something to chew on D2, and that's what we should be getting.

I was just interested in seeing who's willing to vote for you straight out the gate if they felt like it was an "OK" thing to do.

Haven't seen too many votes, and that might mean something in the long run.

OK, I do not see a world where we have two millers.
I did get some nasty flashbacks from a game where I was a Town-Universal Backup though, and I fought the "claimed Miller"-lynch until the end..
I believe that same game had a Doc and other useful stuff as well, and I got slapped with a Miller-tag starting from N2.

Anyhoo, I guess we are ready for the lynch now?
Don't think much of anything useful will come from the scumteam anymore, now that one of them is already caught red-handed?

These 2 thoughts do not line up.

[UnaBombaH]

VOTE: Tanner <---- this right is far more likely to yield a scumflip.

[GeorgeBailey]

Anyhoo, I guess we are ready for the lynch now?
Don't think much of anything useful will come from the scumteam anymore, now that one of them is already caught red-handed?

Not really, especially when there's 3 slots that have barely posted.

If Double Miller really is that rare, then Drew is def our best chance at scum right now. But rushing the day is questionable.

[UnaBombaH]

These 2 thoughts do not line up.

I give a statement that drew is "certainly an autolynch", but do not vote there?
And then later I tell you didn't vote just because I was more interested in seeing who would be happy to take that angle and push for a quick end for D1?
And you don't those two things line up in any way?
Can't tell you much else then, I guess.

[UnaBombaH]

Guess I shouldn't post anything then.
I honestly think that both of the Miller-claims need to be resolved one way or another, so unless we see a Vig-kill entering D2, I'd guess we have to lynch one of them there just to make sure we don't end in a MyLo/LyLo situation with so much wine on the table.

[UnaBombaH]

And in case that wasn't clear enough - not right away + not necessarily D1 either.
I'm off to bed now.
It's almost 4AM in here now, and I need to catch up on my sleep-schedule before monday.

[Saladman27]

As of now, my read for scumteam is una, george and drew. I'm sus of drew for obv reasons. I'm sus of george because of his spectacularly shitty defense for drew. Una is sus for defending george by pushing tanner. I think either Una or Drew were the bus target because of the quotes in 166.
Does anyone have the vote count on drew?

[GeorgeBailey]

I think there's only 3 on him atm.

[PranaDevil]

Una, you said you were ready for the lynch in 125, and yet in 165 said you were all about more discussion.
They contradict each other there.

Out of interest, Una, give your case on Tanner.