Mini Normal 2132 [Game Over]

[bob3141]

Not really

I couldn't tell what sort of stuff was playstyle and his answer to my question about his style was too vague to work with

And this too when asked what he got by looking over Alo iso.

That actually raises the question why chemist is still voting Alo if they cannot identify anything.

Question is does he even know. Does he look like a player that has even caught up.


If he is scum then alort is town. And scum is hard bussing him.

What happened to him last game were he repped into a scum slot. in game he mentioned 2119


And there he put more effort in.

Did you not see my posts where i asked chem if he agrees with alort lynch today. In it i pointed out his slot has vote on alort from rvs

Not practically no.

Wait do you have experience with him subbing in? Can you answer my earlier question them about it? I'm a bit confused by your wording as I'm not sure you are referring to a game he subbed into a scum or town role.

Ive played with scum chemist subbing in twice


dont know if the first he was subbing into one if his alts.


All he posted more. So far he has done nothing AI.

Just feels like he is not invested. Could be scum or could be town.

If he is scum dont expect much more. Dont have town meta with him


If he is scum or town can only be learnt from what he now says about alort.

[Hectic]

Oh, you're saying you don't want to lynch Misty because even as scum he doesn't give much info. Interesting approach but I still think it has a higher likelihood than anything so best lynch.

Wait, I need to check if Gamma's posted since last time.

[Hectic]

Okay, I'd switch to Gamma if people wanted to do that. The way he's played this game is highly scum-indicative for him.

Otherwise, Misty is best lynch.

[bob3141]

Oh, you're saying you don't want to lynch Misty because even as scum he doesn't give much info. Interesting approach but I still think it has a higher likelihood than anything so best lynch.

Wait, I need to check if Gamma's posted since last time.

If chemist is scum then its one scum although might want to avoid losing are goign to be happy bus. What they are not goign to be ahhpy with is the prospect of having to bus another partner. Losing their partner and still be sadled with lurker partner.

See who other players refuse to scum read. See who they dont want day two.

Even if you still lynch the lurker slot

You learn more if its flips scum or town

i would say the odds are 50:50 on chemist. still better than 75:25.

[bob3141]

p.s. ill get back to other tommorrow. its late here and didnt realise the time.

[HoldenGolden]

Oh, you're saying you don't want to lynch Misty because even as scum he doesn't give much info. Interesting approach but I still think it has a higher likelihood than anything so best lynch.

Wait, I need to check if Gamma's posted since last time.

If chemist is scum then its one scum although might want to avoid losing are goign to be happy bus. What they are not goign to be ahhpy with is the prospect of having to bus another partner. Losing their partner and still be sadled with lurker partner.

See who other players refuse to scum read. See who they dont want day two.

Even if you still lynch the lurker slot

You learn more if its flips scum or town

i would say the odds are 50:50 on chemist. still better than 75:25.

(I'm combining the this post and the one above into my response)

But they seemingly have already said what they wanted on Alo which is the null read. Scum!chem has no reason to really strive off the wagon and town!chem is apperently not motivated to dive into the game regardless. I highly doubt they will move their vote at all given how short of a time we have left.

I'm not sure what you are aguring with the lynch? You are saying dont lynch chem yet chem is 50/50 in your eyes. Alo should be town read by you in some degree given the fact you feel dave is scum here. That means you dont want either of the top lynches, yet are proposing that one is still good?

We arent lynching dave today. It's not because of the fact that I find him highly townie (my own read over time has fallen down), but because we have little time to move an entire wagon over frankly. You need 6 people to favor their lynch over the question mark which is chem and alo. We get more info out of lynching chem then dave by far, let alone not lynching them to "sandbag the mafia team"?

Seriously? You want to leave town a huge source of uncertainty to "potentially" sandbag mafia when you only are 50/50% sure? So 50% of the time your plan fails and now town has to spend another day cycle clearing one of alo/chem?

You also didnt answer my question about Wake it seems.

[HoldenGolden]

Okay, I'd switch to Gamma if people wanted to do that. The way he's played this game is highly scum-indicative for him.

Otherwise, Misty is best lynch.

How do you factor in the V/LA into your read on gamma?

That's really my main issue reading that slot since otherwise I agree his play is scummy.

[Hectic]

It's in part a cross-game activity tell that we can't go into.

[Aloratom]

@Chemist -- Your vote on me is from RVS. Do you plan to leave it there?

[AaronFrost]

I would have no qualms with this post since AFF was following similarly in my logic of Alo not wanting to be on a p lynch for a lurker. However, that implies in a sense that tictac was town since Alo gets more for bussing his afk partner than actively trying to deflect the lynch. Especially considering that he said he was fine with the lynch (so it wasn't a defence at all).

As it stands, I dont understand what afk rabbit hole lead AFF to the associative reads. Even if you read into alo posts for associative tells before the flip, I feel you would come to the opposite conclusion that it was a TvS interaction rather than SvS. Alo's push on hectic was anything but strong, let alone enough to chainsaw defend him.

So now aaron, I have the very specific question for you. What lead you to the notion that alo and tictac are SvS given the fact we both had issues with him not wanting to join the p lynch on a lurker?

Again, defense probably wasn't the right word to use there, but there was some caution/hesitancy around voting the wagon while still trying to justify it by saying he's okay with it. It's scummy positioning no matter which way you look at it tbh.

The reason it gave me pings of partner interactions was because if Alora!scum and tictac/Chemist!town, then that's an easy wagon for Alora to jump on.

I can sorta see where you got the associative read now, but I feel it's not unreasonable that scum!alo does that even if tictac was town due to it being earlier in the day and being a policy lynch mostly. He could always flip back if needed to hammer due to accepting the premise of the lynch.

Yeah this is fair too. It's something I'll reevaluate if we flip Aloratom, which is sadly looking less likely as we get closer to the deadline.

[AaronFrost]

Does anybody have experience with chemist subbing in day 1? IE if they survive till day 2 do they actually ramp up in post/content?

If not then I think the best lynch is chemist. Even given the claim, I'm finding them hard to read and they are still being relatively reactive. I rather not have to wait to lynch them purely out of them being a question mark before lylo than going ahead and getting it out of the way now. While alo is scummy, I feel the chemist lynch overall is better long term wise with a good chance of getting scum.

If we want to go with Alo though we need to push now so we get enough time for claim.

I've been in a lot of games where Chemist subbed in, and usually he gets lynched by the end of the day or the next day. I'm not super great at reading him though and I've seen him both lurk and post a lot of townie content as town.

I think Aloratom is my preferred lynch today.

[AaronFrost]

Neon mafia is Chemist last replace in from what I see that they replaced in somewhat late (I realize my question is flawed due to the timing of replacement impacting contributions), but it still shows the issues I have with the slot.

Compared to that game where chemist replaced in, caught up, and was producing content on their own, here they are much more reserved and uninterested it seems. More inclined to react to what's going on in the thread. This would be somewhat alright if it didnt extend to questions too namely when I asked a question and then they popped in with basically a +1 to the question

Mini Normal 2119 - repped in D1, lynched D1, scum

Open 771 - Pollock's Flag - repped in D2, lynched D3, town

Some recent games that chem repped in that came to mind. He was also very disengaged in the open where he was town, compared to the mini normal where he was slightly more engaged upon repping in although he didn't live long in that game.

[Morning Tweet]

I don't really get what Alo is asking in 636/516.

Are you wondering why I'm asking Bob why he thought my RVS vote was an actual read?

ahh

sorry I was misunderstanding what you were asking

[AaronFrost]

Wait is tictac RVS vote still chemist's vote? I'm pretty sure Chemist made a remark about voting Alo

Yes, and chemist hasn't acknowledged it, the only times he's mentioned aloratom are

Spoiler:

I'll read over alora

Alora, how would you describe your usual playstyle?

[AaronFrost]

Bob, you answered it right there. Chemist hasn't said much yet is voting alo hence why a SvS makes some sense.

Wouldn't Misty/Aloratom bus and push each other more strongly at this point, given they're the only two wagons? I think them both being scum is very unlikely actually.

I'm kinda leaning this way too actually, especially with the high probability one of them will be lynched today.

[AaronFrost]

You dont learn anything just going along with lulker lynchs.

If chemist is scum. No way scum woudlnt bus him.

You don't learn anything from lurker lynches, except that scum was bussing? That sounds like useful information to me no?

If you don't want either Chem or Alora then who do you want?

[AaronFrost]

Okay, I'd switch to Gamma if people wanted to do that. The way he's played this game is highly scum-indicative for him.

Otherwise, Misty is best lynch.

How do you factor in the V/LA into your read on gamma?

That's really my main issue reading that slot since otherwise I agree his play is scummy.

Easy answer is to not factor it in, since V/LAs are NAI. Also his V/LA ended two days ago and he still hasn't shown up.

[AaronFrost]

@bob

I get that you scumread dave, and honestly my townread on him has weakened significantly, especially after the interactions with you, but now is the time we need to consolidate on wagons. We have just over a day left.

[Klick]

Chemist1422, profii, and Wake88 have been prodded.

Considering the number of players who are either V/LA or haven't posted in 2+ days, the deadline is frozen at 1 day until further notice.

EDIT: Yay, people came back!
Deadline remains where it was.

[profii]

Eh. I'm still happy with my lynch choice. There seems to be 2 choices in Alo and Chemist... if people could pick their side so we can move on, that'll work.

[Wake1]

I'm bored of this.

Either a lynch on Aloratom or tictac would be fine with me for now.

This is why I don't like Day 1. I don't have any concrete flips to work with.

[Klick]

EDIT: Yay, people came back!
Deadline remains where it was.

[profii]

I'm bored of this.

Either a lynch on Aloratom or tictac would be fine with me for now.

This is why I don't like Day 1. I don't have any concrete flips to work with.

You dont like day 1?

[Hectic]

Wait, what? Wake, why don't you like Day 1? I got the impression you really enjoyed it from how you've played in games I'm in.

[Hectic]

Misty's still on L-2. No time for another wagon at this point.

Make it happen, people.