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I have thoughts on the setup but I'd rather hold onto them until we see what Eddie flips and we see who dies.
As someone who is not in danger of dying, I think that's reasonable.Shame on a martyr claiming friends
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I'm really starting to get tired of this day phase tbh.
I feel like I really wanna see EC's flip to know what to do from there, because specially without knowing EC's role any setup assumptions are gonna be bleh.
No one wanted to sanity check me on the SS/EC thing so im just gonna assume that I'm going with Insane theories there.
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I am very tempted to self hammer out of spite, so you can look back at this day and realize 75% of the content is me attempting to solve, but honestly, most of you are probably going to be like "well he was a dick anyways" and move on with your lives.
Scum deserve to win. GL. I literally gave a play that results in a town win 90%+ of the time, and it went completely ignored. Fucking insane."Ima need to buy at least Josh a fucking tarot card reading because this dude is scary at picking up on scum before they even post what the fuck type of Ms. Cleo ass psychic ass mothafucka did yall allow to sign up for this site"- Eddie Cane
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And before post game: no, this loss is not on Boon. Sometimes, a fake guilty is completely on them. Because of how he claimed (two other results first) and because of how I've played day 2, 3, and 4, this is actuallypretty easy. I will be blaming whoever's town just as much as Boon. I guess that doesn't really matter because I don't play here anyways. I'm just salty I wasted so much of my time trying to come up with a solve that wins most games to be completely ignored.
All 3 night kills have been people who respect and listen to me, by the way. And only Oka really needed to die. LALALALALALALALA"Ima need to buy at least Josh a fucking tarot card reading because this dude is scary at picking up on scum before they even post what the fuck type of Ms. Cleo ass psychic ass mothafucka did yall allow to sign up for this site"- Something_Smart
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I've already promised that if you do flip town I won't disregard your posts and in fact I'll go back and read all of them in that light.In post 5128, Eddie Cane wrote:And before post game: no, this loss is not on Boon. Sometimes, a fake guilty is completely on them. Because of how he claimed (two other results first) and because of how I've played day 2, 3, and 4, this is actually pretty easy.
But this is silly. It would be one thing if he got quicklynched before he could retract but he posted after being hammered.Shame on a martyr claiming friends
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What really sucks is I thought NSG was supposed to be better than this, so even though her content level is more town game, I'm paranoiaing over her. And my solve covered the world she's scum! But I suppose it doesn't matter. Instead, I'm going to assume every player is town and predict their reply to my town flip for my own enjoyment:
Nero: well he's an asshole, annoying, whiny, and stupid, idc
SS: wow Boon sucks
Luna: probably nothing, because i'm bad at mafia
NSG: maybe if boon didn't throw even though i already scum read eddie d2/d3 despite him being basically clear from my pov
PP; probably nothing, because i'm bad at mafia
Alch: i told you the only plan that results in a town win along with eddie, and you ignored me."Ima need to buy at least Josh a fucking tarot card reading because this dude is scary at picking up on scum before they even post what the fuck type of Ms. Cleo ass psychic ass mothafucka did yall allow to sign up for this site"- Eddie Cane
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In post 5129, Something_Smart wrote:
I've already promised that if you do flip town I won't disregard your posts and in fact I'll go back and read all of them in that light.In post 5128, Eddie Cane wrote:And before post game: no, this loss is not on Boon. Sometimes, a fake guilty is completely on them. Because of how he claimed (two other results first) and because of how I've played day 2, 3, and 4, this is actually pretty easy.
But this is silly. It would be one thing if he got quicklynched before he could retract but he posted after being hammered.this doesn't matter though, dude. if a lynch is not me, i can cover who is mafia in you and nero, and cover the world where neither of you are with the Alch check as proposed. i have so little information at this point any posthumous solve is going to be unhelpful. all i know is two people have been super hard pushing my lynch as mechanical all day foregoing all solving(you and PP, especially PP), while everybody else has been considering. and those two people are being put as my partners even though either you or PP as my partner instantly lose with my lynch. soeven if you ignore Boon gamethrowing as not town's fault, there's still terrible play going on.
Ihighlightedwhy me being with PP or SS is mechanically almost impossible, and it got 0 replies. Note to SS: you're the person I'm being put with and you still don't seem to care...
IinstructedNero to check Alch in my plan, which makes us mechanically not partners either.
It is ludicrous to put me with Nero.
Literally all that's left is NSG and Luna, both of whom have had very very not patrnery interactions with me all game.
I don't care that Boon actively threw. This game IS solvable. And its NOT that hard to solve my alignment."Ima need to buy at least Josh a fucking tarot card reading because this dude is scary at picking up on scum before they even post what the fuck type of Ms. Cleo ass psychic ass mothafucka did yall allow to sign up for this site"- Eddie Cane
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I will restate this one more time even though its not being ignored.
We lynch SS. If he flips mafia, Nero checks one of myself or PP, whoever he thinks is scummier. We are both almost confirmed not mafia doctor.
We lynch SS. If he flips town, Nero checks Alch, because this covers Alch/PP (SS' solve if I'm town because he thinks Nero could be town with him) and Alch/NSG.
This solve wins most games, and covers most teams. I wish you luck if I flip town, its not unwinnable, but it almost is."Ima need to buy at least Josh a fucking tarot card reading because this dude is scary at picking up on scum before they even post what the fuck type of Ms. Cleo ass psychic ass mothafucka did yall allow to sign up for this site"- Eddie Cane
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PP over SS actually might bebettergoing off reads, but PP lynch if town results in a town loss almost always, which is no bueno."Ima need to buy at least Josh a fucking tarot card reading because this dude is scary at picking up on scum before they even post what the fuck type of Ms. Cleo ass psychic ass mothafucka did yall allow to sign up for this site"- Luna Fox
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Dude you say this like it's something you wouldnt do as scum to save yourself.
Boon caught you with a Night action that's all there is to it, no matter how much you want us to think so otherwise. In fact scum escaping guilties and gloating about it in other games is one reason im really hesitant to let you go based on my reads over Boon's guilty.~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~- Eddie Cane
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This is such a big fucking fallacy with how some people play it always irritates me, its an issue in video too.In post 5134, Luna Fox wrote:Dude you say this like it's something you wouldnt do as scum to save yourself.
Would I defend myself as scum? Yes, because I care about my winrate*.something you wouldnt do as scum to save yourself
Would I defend myself as town? Yes, because I care about my winrate.
So you know what your job as a mafia player is? Toevaluate my defense. Just because I would defend myself as mafia does not make every defense I make null, it means you sort it and see whether it looks fake. I have posted enough to find me as town, and almost completely proved I'm not mafia. Choosing not to see that because lolguilty is so bad if youre town.
I can literally explain why Boon claimed a guilty on me. Boon said he checked Oka, I said that was a gamethrowingly bad check and we argued for a while. Then he said he checked SS, who softed RC to him regardless of SS alignment. Boon was extra upset, because that check is even worse if he believes SS to be town, and cognitive dissonance led him to flip his read on me because that's easier than thinking he made not one, but two terrible check claims. This is basic psychology.In post 5134, Luna Fox wrote:Boon caught you with a Night action that's all there is to it, no matter how much you want us to think so otherwise. In fact scum escaping guilties and gloating about it in other games is one reason im really hesitant to let you go based on my reads over Boon's guilty.
You want some basic math to go with the basic psychology? The odds town had two red herring roles and Boon checked them exactly night 1 and night 2 is pretty hilariously low. Nudge nudge."Ima need to buy at least Josh a fucking tarot card reading because this dude is scary at picking up on scum before they even post what the fuck type of Ms. Cleo ass psychic ass mothafucka did yall allow to sign up for this site"- Eddie Cane
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And, look at it from an objective point of view. Do you think town has at least an okay chance to win this game if I am town and die today? I'm pretty sure nobody will disagree with "no", so it should be pretty clear why I am "desparately" trying to save this game."Ima need to buy at least Josh a fucking tarot card reading because this dude is scary at picking up on scum before they even post what the fuck type of Ms. Cleo ass psychic ass mothafucka did yall allow to sign up for this site"- Eddie Cane
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What's fucking amazing me more than anything this day phase is that Nero might be town, lol."Ima need to buy at least Josh a fucking tarot card reading because this dude is scary at picking up on scum before they even post what the fuck type of Ms. Cleo ass psychic ass mothafucka did yall allow to sign up for this site"- Eddie Cane
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This post especially being ignored is pretty unfortunate.In post 5038, Eddie Cane wrote:
PERFECT! THIS is something I can argue against without WIFOM. This is all ignoring the fact that if I'm scum with SS, he tried to bus me day 2 with Dany (almost universal scum read and not playing the game) as the other partner.In post 5036, northsidegal wrote:
that would be what's happening if one were to believe in SS/you.In post 5033, Eddie Cane wrote:ItsalsoNero / PP / SS pushing me, which is, literally the entire PoE excluding myself from your point of view. Is it distancing? I guess you're arguing SS was already distancing from me yesterday, as well as today.
I have another question actually NSG. You are arguing SS might be bussing me today, correct?
Isn't that literally an auto loss, though? For SS to win that, there needs to be a LOT of town sucking. For the purposes of this post, I will pretend I am mafia.
1) We are assuming Nero / SS has 1 scum, most likely. I flip scum, so SS should just lose because 2 lynches to kill both of them.
2) Nero is being assumed to not be my partner, so even if you ignore the mechanics, Nero is soft greened. He also gets a cop check to clear PP. SS' new win condition is lynching 2 of Nero / NSG / Alch?
3) That's obviously not happening. So, SS has to night kill Nero. Wake up with SS, Alch, NSG, PP, Luna. Luna is unlynchable. NSG and Alch have each other as town.
So,the win condition of SS bussing me is convincing people there was no scum between him and Nero (probably not doable), mislynching PP (doable), and then getting one of Luna and NSG/Alch to vote the other in f3 (probably not doable).
Its actually borderline unwinnable I believe?"Ima need to buy at least Josh a fucking tarot card reading because this dude is scary at picking up on scum before they even post what the fuck type of Ms. Cleo ass psychic ass mothafucka did yall allow to sign up for this site"- Luna Fox
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Well yes, that's just as bad as letting scum you live.In post 5136, Eddie Cane wrote:And, look at it from an objective point of view. Do you think town has at least an okay chance to win this game if I am town and die today? I'm pretty sure nobody will disagree with "no", so it should be pretty clear why I am "desparately" trying to save this game.~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~- Luna Fox
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I didn't ignore it, I said that's your scum plan if you're partners with SS so either of the 2 can go and point to it to show that you're not scum together if either gets lynched.In post 5138, Eddie Cane wrote:
This post especially being ignored is pretty unfortunate.In post 5038, Eddie Cane wrote:
PERFECT! THIS is something I can argue against without WIFOM. This is all ignoring the fact that if I'm scum with SS, he tried to bus me day 2 with Dany (almost universal scum read and not playing the game) as the other partner.In post 5036, northsidegal wrote:
that would be what's happening if one were to believe in SS/you.In post 5033, Eddie Cane wrote:ItsalsoNero / PP / SS pushing me, which is, literally the entire PoE excluding myself from your point of view. Is it distancing? I guess you're arguing SS was already distancing from me yesterday, as well as today.
I have another question actually NSG. You are arguing SS might be bussing me today, correct?
Isn't that literally an auto loss, though? For SS to win that, there needs to be a LOT of town sucking. For the purposes of this post, I will pretend I am mafia.
1) We are assuming Nero / SS has 1 scum, most likely. I flip scum, so SS should just lose because 2 lynches to kill both of them.
2) Nero is being assumed to not be my partner, so even if you ignore the mechanics, Nero is soft greened. He also gets a cop check to clear PP. SS' new win condition is lynching 2 of Nero / NSG / Alch?
3) That's obviously not happening. So, SS has to night kill Nero. Wake up with SS, Alch, NSG, PP, Luna. Luna is unlynchable. NSG and Alch have each other as town.
So,the win condition of SS bussing me is convincing people there was no scum between him and Nero (probably not doable), mislynching PP (doable), and then getting one of Luna and NSG/Alch to vote the other in f3 (probably not doable).
Its actually borderline unwinnable I believe?
Granted no one wanted to discuss that so whatever.~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~- Eddie Cane
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And, if you believe in Eddie / PP, that argument goes even harder I think because PP might not even be able to night kill along with fruit. Lol."Ima need to buy at least Josh a fucking tarot card reading because this dude is scary at picking up on scum before they even post what the fuck type of Ms. Cleo ass psychic ass mothafucka did yall allow to sign up for this site"- Eddie Cane
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Oh my goooood dude you're more frustrating than Nero I appreciate that you're actually replying to me, but this is like headbang the wall annoying.In post 5140, Luna Fox wrote:I didn't ignore it, I said that's your scum plan if you're partners with SS so either of the 2 can go and point to it to show that you're not scum together if either gets lynched.
"yes but WIFOM"is not a reply to everything aaaaaaaaaah.
YOU KNOW WHY THATS NOT MY SCUM PLAN? BECAUSE, AS EVIDENCED BY VIRTUALLY NOBODY CARING ABOUT THAT POST, NOBODY CARES. EVEN THOUGH I'M NOT WITH DANY, OR SS. NOBODY CARES. SO SHITTY WIFOM ARGUMENTS LIKE THAT DON'T MATTER."Ima need to buy at least Josh a fucking tarot card reading because this dude is scary at picking up on scum before they even post what the fuck type of Ms. Cleo ass psychic ass mothafucka did yall allow to sign up for this site"- Eddie Cane
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If I was scum with SS, I would have voted Dany for town cred since we were bussing. If I was scum with SS, two scum were on my 5 person wagon, Dany and SS, with neither unvoting, and with Dany's being self pres. If I was scum with SS, I wouldn't be letting him be gamethrowingly bad and defend Nero as "maybe we're both down durrr". This is so silly. He mechanically loses by me getting lynched, "WIFOM" does not cut it."Ima need to buy at least Josh a fucking tarot card reading because this dude is scary at picking up on scum before they even post what the fuck type of Ms. Cleo ass psychic ass mothafucka did yall allow to sign up for this site"- Luna Fox
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And that's why you want us to lynch SS before you... right.
Well im just 1 person and there's 2 other people voting you they could both be scum, heck IF you're town they probably are but im not gonna try arguing anymore with someone i think is scum.
But im just saying if you let this guy live today and we dont lynch scum, we're at LyLo tomorrow and im 100% voting Eddie at LyLo.
This is my one last olive branch, I dont want to get burned by ignoring a guilty due to "FAKE CLAIMS" again, But if town disagrees with me there's nothing i can do about it, but if scum isnt lynched today AND eddie is town, we're losing tomorrow anyway so it's all on you.
I'm done with this day at this point.~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~- Eddie Cane
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Outside from VM being basically a different game, it is much closer to actual mafia versus typing, and there is a much higher game turnover. So it makes sense I have a better understanding from it of what scum tend to do I think? I'm literally not getting through to anyone because none of you think about this game like I do, and the 3 people who listen to me are dead.
This is arguably more clearing than anything else, for example. But because none of you understand the game like I do, you dismiss it as WIFOM. And this is not something I knew back when I played forum, so it makes a degree of sense.In post 5032, Eddie Cane wrote:I think independently, most of those posts could be partnered, sure. But the fact I let Dany get lynched while not doing anything about it is actually extremely town indicative for me. If I am with SS, my teammate was busing Dany, so scum would have not been pushing elsewhere. Rather than vanity voting Nero, I think as scum with Dany I either try to get another lynch (less likely) or just ensure my vote is on the wagon and kill the rest. To reword, shading Dany throughout the day and at EoD is very townie specifically because its not townie. Does that make sense? I'm so used to playing video I lost some of my ability to articulate well in forum."Ima need to buy at least Josh a fucking tarot card reading because this dude is scary at picking up on scum before they even post what the fuck type of Ms. Cleo ass psychic ass mothafucka did yall allow to sign up for this site"- Eddie Cane
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In post 5144, Luna Fox wrote:And that's why you want us to lynch SS before you... right.
Well im just 1 person and there's 2 other people voting you they could both be scum, heck IF you're town they probably are but im not gonna try arguing anymore with someone i think is scum.
But im just saying if you let this guy live today and we dont lynch scum, we're at LyLo tomorrow and im 100% voting Eddie at LyLo.
This is my one last olive branch, I dont want to get burned by ignoring a guilty due to "FAKE CLAIMS" again, But if town disagrees with me there's nothing i can do about it, but if scum isnt lynched today AND eddie is town, we're losing tomorrow anyway so it's all on you.
I'm done with this day at this point.
I am going to tap out because Fire told me this was a good playerlist and lied. To quote GotG:In post 5010, Alchemist21 wrote:2 assumptions to work with here:
- 1 scum is in Nero/SS
- Nero and Eddie are never scum together.
Lynching SS today solves the game if the assumptions are correct. If he flips Town then Nero is scum and Penguin is the partner. If SS flips scum then Nero is Town and we can lynch in the order of Penguin/Eddie and for sure hit the remaining partner.
If everyone agrees on those assumptions then SS should be the lynch today.
I bid you farewell and good luck, morons."Ima need to buy at least Josh a fucking tarot card reading because this dude is scary at picking up on scum before they even post what the fuck type of Ms. Cleo ass psychic ass mothafucka did yall allow to sign up for this site"- Luna Fox
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That argument is on par with "x is scummier, but i'm going to vote y because x played a better game and deserves to win if scum xD""Ima need to buy at least Josh a fucking tarot card reading because this dude is scary at picking up on scum before they even post what the fuck type of Ms. Cleo ass psychic ass mothafucka did yall allow to sign up for this site" - Eddie Cane
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