Newbie 1996: GAME OVER

[Kirari Momobami]

Monkey where are you on Holden?

[humaneatingmonkey]

I think Who was killed exclusively because both you and me townread him which if we are both town means he is never getting lynched

I absolutely would have not killed Who lol

Choose.

[Kirari Momobami]

Yooh was right in that you still had time to grill me and check who would jump at the wagon I'm trying to form on you. So I consider your hammer pretty scummy.

Actually hammering like that basically guaranteed you were alive day 2, so if I had you as town making a stupid play it was actually a great hammer tbh

[Kirari Momobami]

I think Who was killed exclusively because both you and me townread him which if we are both town means he is never getting lynched

I absolutely would have not killed Who lol

Choose.

That's not a contradiction when I'm basically certain on someone being a TPR

Are you trying to be scummy pushing things as contradictions that are not? Because you're really degrading my read of you rn

[humaneatingmonkey]

It is a contradiction. You recognize that there is merit to killing Who, and yet you say you're not killing him.

[3bounty]

Yooh was right in that you still had time to grill me and check who would jump at the wagon I'm trying to form on you. So I consider your hammer pretty scummy.

Actually hammering like that basically guaranteed you were alive day 2, so if I had you as town making a stupid play it was actually a great hammer tbh

Avoiding the lynch D1 does not guarantee seeing D2 though. This comes off as if you have a scum POV.

[Kirari Momobami]

It is a contradiction. You recognize that there is merit to killing Who, and yet you say you're not killing him.

I would 100% kill the TPR read over the 'townread player'

Of course there's merit to killing Who for scum, they killed him. That's why they killed him.

You acting like I had a *particular* motive to kill Who is scummy since I had negative incentive to kill Who in 2-3 different ways

[humaneatingmonkey]

I think a PR daying on N1 is a direct result of your fakeclaimery. I believe that you're scum independently of the InWho22 kill. I just think that the narrative fits that you are scum, and that it makes sense that InWho22 was killed as a direct result of your actions.

[Kirari Momobami]

Avoiding the lynch D1 does not guarantee seeing D2 though. This comes off as if you have a scum POV.

Hammering while giving the impression I think HEM was a better lynch basically guarantees HEM is not the nightkill. It's very likely scum were planning to support a Kirari/HEM 1v1 day 2, either as a TvT or as a winnable TvS if HEM is scum

[Kirari Momobami]

I think a PR daying on N1 is a direct result of your fakeclaimery. I believe that you're scum independently of the InWho22 kill. I just think that the narrative fits that you are scum, and that it makes sense that InWho22 was killed as a direct result of your actions.

OK but you trying to sell that narrative makes you much more likely to be scum because you it feels like you're trying to bring in falsehoods to bury me rather than trying to figure out the truth of the situation or understand my POV

[humaneatingmonkey]

Yooh was right in that you still had time to grill me and check who would jump at the wagon I'm trying to form on you. So I consider your hammer pretty scummy.

Actually hammering like that basically guaranteed you were alive day 2, so if I had you as town making a stupid play it was actually a great hammer tbh

me building a wagon against you at the clutch of D1 was never gonna end in me being dead.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I think a PR daying on N1 is a direct result of your fakeclaimery. I believe that you're scum independently of the InWho22 kill. I just think that the narrative fits that you are scum, and that it makes sense that InWho22 was killed as a direct result of your actions.

OK but you trying to sell that narrative makes you much more likely to be scum because you it feels like you're trying to bring in falsehoods to bury me rather than trying to figure out the truth of the situation or understand my POV

just trying to connect the dots here. and the dots do connect.

don't you agree that any negative reaction from your fakeclaim would indicate some sort of probability that the one who reacted was a PR?

[humaneatingmonkey]

I think scum had a PR pool after your fakeclaimery, and they just chose whoever was most widely townread. Unfortunately for InWho22, it was him.

[humaneatingmonkey]

And now I'm thinking "was there any town merit to fakeclaiming like that? was it probable that he was just trying to draw the nightkill?" and then I thought that there are more scenarios in which you would do that as scum.

[Kirari Momobami]

me building a wagon against you at the clutch of D1 was never gonna end in me being dead.

I mean you were clidd's top townread, do you think you you're never n1'd this game?

[humaneatingmonkey]

1. trying to draw a doctor to protect you, so any kills would work better.
2. trying to draw reactions from town so you can develop a pool of PR.
3. trying to WIFOM the shit out of town.

i'm not trying to bury you in a fake narrative. i just have a working theory that just seems to be consistent with what's happening in the game.

[Kirari Momobami]

don't you agree that any negative reaction from your fakeclaim would indicate some sort of probability that the one who reacted was a PR?

I mean you say that like I'm disagreeing with you that I got a reaction, but I think we disagree on which reaction was TPR-indicative and you not understanding that point is really ???

TPRs can get outed in all sorts of ways; I really strongly disagree that Who did anything TPR indicative though and it's much more likely Who died because you said *lol that's town* and I agreed, so if you wanna blame someone for his death look in a mirror LOL

[humaneatingmonkey]

me building a wagon against you at the clutch of D1 was never gonna end in me being dead.

I mean you were clidd's top townread, do you think you you're never n1'd this game?

probably, but what exactly are you avoiding here? that the mafia would kill town? that's always gonna happen. unless you believe that i'm a pr, it's not consistent on your POV that you're trying to "protect" me.

[clidd]

I'll be absent for a few hours.

[Kirari Momobami]

i'm not trying to bury you in a fake narrative.

Saying that I outed Who as a TPR is a fake narrative

You wanna blame me for FPSing, sure, idgaf, but my fpsing I don't think actually resulted in Who specifically outing himself

[Kirari Momobami]

fakeclaiming

I don't think you can honestly call anything I did day 1 a 'fakeclaim' when I did so in the manner I did. You're not "fakeclaiming" claiming a masonry with half the game

Again, I feel like you're over-selling this

[humaneatingmonkey]

what's FPS

[humaneatingmonkey]

I don't think you can honestly call anything I did day 1 a 'fakeclaim' when I did so in the manner I did. You're not "fakeclaiming" claiming a masonry with half the game

Oh I'm SURE you weren't fakeclaiming anything hard. But you're softing a TPR so hard that it's really gonna get a reaction out of anyone.

Are you sure you weren't at least CRUMBING anything?

Hey holden

Hey... Heey holden...

don't forget to ask clidd about his ll read after he catches up

Masonry: lucky, alora, 3b, kirari, holdengolden, who
N0 cop guilty: clidd

Ez game

I think Yoon is mason too actually

either it's clidd/monkey or I mason'd LL too easily

either way I don't really see how clidd isn't scum just through PoE

Ok actually let me collect myself

Almost certainly masons with me: Yooh 526, Alora as I noted in 287, 3B I read stuff like 519 as pretty town

Probably should be good mason contender? Who 226 -- strongly spews Who town if Peaches slot flips scum
LL 520 -- just tonally think this is town, less sure on this slot overall
Holden thought 438 was town enough to joke mason but 533 is a little scummy and now he's kinda low again

Maybe Monkey isn't actually lower than Holden or far below LL, I liked the read on who in response to 226 but it's a little hard to find hard town here for some reason, maybe he's town if he's actually right on LL just not sure yet

Clidd I think is just scum through PoE

When I say someone is masons with me, it means one of two things:
a) they're masons with me :3
b) I townread them strongly

Hmm I wanna say if I haven't claimed every role in the game and at least three roles that aren't in the game by the end of day 1 I'm probably scum

I'm a combined multitasking mason parity cop n0 cop doctor vigilante, in case my role was unclear

On a more serious note, this is a newbie game. I think perhaps in the future you should reconsider playing in these. Your style isn't a good introduction to mafia for brand new players. I think newbie games should be played in a manner that allows new players to understand what's going on and become acquainted with the game. Bad SE.

I mean I am giving the most obvious and exaggerated FPS possible so that newbies will have at least an inkling of a chance when they get into a normal and have to deal with actual fakeclaims.

I literally claimed a masonry with 7 people after having also already claimed a n0 cop check?

If I am town I either am:
-Trying to soft my partner as a mason without outing them entirely
-Trying to eat a nightkill

If I am scum I am obviously never, ever claiming mason

So like... what exactly is the purpose of asking me to hold to the claim or not? There can only ever be pro-town motivation to that play. If I was scum, I would just be dumping it later so it's immaterial

[Kirari Momobami]

"fancy play syndrome"

I was being fancy, yes

given I softed every role in the game, acting like I was actually fakeclaiming seems... hard to see you actually believing, I guess

[humaneatingmonkey]

When I say someone is masons with me, it means one of two things:
a) they're masons with me :3
b) I townread them strongly

Okay just to be sure, are you for real saying that you're mason or is that meme

and i just found this