Newbie 1996: GAME OVER

[humaneatingmonkey]

Monkey where are you on Holden?

i missed this.

I had Holden as town at early to midday 1 but his posts kinda died down late day 1 and helped push the gamestate to where it was heading. I think he's fine on my townblock for now because of my early reads on him and because we have similar reads (3b and you as scum).

so what exactly is your beef against him other than "PoE"?

[humaneatingmonkey]

"fancy play syndrome"

I was being fancy, yes

given I softed every role in the game, acting like I was actually fakeclaiming seems... hard to see you actually believing, I guess

like i said i didn't actually believe it myself as there were a multitude of reasons why you did it. but i'm finding the townreasons for doing it weaker than the scumreasons for doing it. now it just supports that you were drawing reactions from it to get a PR kill pool.

[Kirari Momobami]

PoE is pretty significant at this point

Right now your case is like 40% whining about a totally fine hammer and 50% extremely dubious night kill spec

Anyone who isn't hard tunneling on me is going to be looking at the game, finding a rather large number of fairly obvious town, and go from there

[humaneatingmonkey]

I think he's town tbh but I don't have a better wagon to sell

Get to the green flip so we get on with the game or what?

Do kinda feel like hit % would be higher in like... Holden maybe?

But ehh I'm probably not getting my 'slight preference' lynch when I basically have no idea who scum is

Alora's probably a fine lynch for gamestate even as a miss, idk

VOTE: Holden

Here's my end of day preference so that everyone can see how bad I look when Alora actually ends up flipping scum for some reason

Ehh we do have 2 days.

I can sleep on it (for real this time ) make sure no one says anything spicy, hammer in the morning

this is scummy as hell.

Why exactly do you think those posts are scummy?

Are you hyperconfident in holden town? You agree that alora might be town but you think that giving the game another night to think about it over hammering is scummy? Taking a bunch of townie posts then saying "scummy" is nagl

i'm not hyperconfident that holden is town. i just don't see that you had legitimate reasons for placing your vote on holden there vs. other players or on the current wagon.

what's nagl?

[Kirari Momobami]

like i said i didn't actually believe it myself as there were a multitude of reasons why you did it. but i'm finding the townreasons for doing it weaker than the scumreasons for doing it. now it just supports that you were drawing reactions from it to get a PR kill pool.

Here's the thing you need to understand

Players like me tend to die night 1 if we don't do anything about it

The means by which I lose games is being nightkilled before the game is solvable

A lot of players will FPS at least a little bit if for no other reason than they like to a) win the game and b) play the game and those two things actually go hand in hand

If anything I wanna say scum FPS much less because they are intrinsically less concerned about being nightkilled

So you're making presumptions as though I really needed to win the game by outing a single TPR at the cost of immense amounts of towncred when really that doesn't match how scum actually wins games.

[Kirari Momobami]

NAGL is "not a good look"

It's like "kinda untownie"

[humaneatingmonkey]

Right now your case is like 40% whining about a totally fine hammer and 50% extremely dubious night kill spec

misrepresentation. i had plenty of reasons to suspect you. see my iso.
i don't agree that i'm overselling anything. i think it's you underselling this.
and at least three of the town sees you right now as scummy.

let's try PoE. Yooh town. Clidd town. LL town. Holden town. Who's left? Ah. It's the Kirari and 3bounty show.

[Kirari Momobami]

i'm not hyperconfident that holden is town. i just don't see that you had legitimate reasons for placing your vote on holden there vs. other players or on the current wagon.

Holden just seems significantly less townie than in my last game with him, he has a lot less presence and while I've liked some of his posts and jokes mostly all it amounted in was a scumread on me which means he's like 0% read rate right now.

He could still be town but right now I kinda feel like there should be 2 scum inside {Holden, Monkey, Yooh} and of those three I'd say you're maybe? a little more likely to be town

So if I'm correct on clidd/LL/3B as a towncore, then the game is solved by lynching in those three. Do you want to argue that any of those three are scum at this point?

[Kirari Momobami]

let's try PoE. Yooh town. Clidd town. LL town. Holden town. Who's left? Ah. It's the Kirari and 3bounty show.

That's a game-losing reads list unless you're scum lol

Why do you have Holden or Yooh as town?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Kirari this was exhausting can we take a break so i can celebrate 420?

[Kirari Momobami]

Sure, I'm actually super tilted that scum hit a TPR, I REALLY wanted to fakeclaim cop today but at this point with my current reads that would actually be lowkey gamethrowing :3

[humaneatingmonkey]

[humaneatingmonkey]

[clidd]

I'm back.

[clidd]

I looked at the post you mentioned from Who22 from many angles, but I couldn't infer that she was a PR for that. At least evaluating the post in isolation.

Searching Kirari's profile, I found this game:

Large Normal 226

-> https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=82371

(Blue Mafia)

Non-randomized 6-Man Masonry:

Spoiler:

Elsa Jay, tictac, Insomnia, Golden Robster, Pink Ball

Now let's see how well the wheel does!

The Mafia

Spoiler:

DrDolittle
Egix96
Pine
bob3141
TrueSoulEnergy
gobbledygook

The Werewolves

Spoiler:

Chemist1422
Almost50
pisskop
EeveeLution Army
Hectic
Drixx

The Serial Killer

Spoiler:

hersho

The non-mason townies

Spoiler:

Jamelia
VaultDweller
dsjstr
Yiley
Amrun
The Fonz
NotAJumbleOfNumbers
UltimatePlank
clidd
Dolly Parton
Non Imh
Uncrowned
Rhinox
QuantumQuasar
kagesong
davesaz
Black Ranger
profii
Jackal711
NorwegianboyEE
Something_Smart
BBMolla
Not Known 15
AaronFrost
Cat Scratch Fever
eth0s
Nero Cain
Garmr
Emperor FlippyNips
ar98mubarik
SausasaurusRex

Who wants to put odds/bets on the number of correct WHEEL rolls in each category?

Let's see how I do vs THE WHEEL

Masons

Spoiler:

A50, insomnia, Pink Ball, Nero, DrDolittle

Townlean

Spoiler:

Norway, Tictac, Egix, bob, Cat Scratch

Acceptable lynches:
Leaning scum over town

Spoiler:

Hectic
Chemist
S_S
Garmr
Yiley
Jumble
profii

Leaning scum

Spoiler:

Fonz
Elsa
TSE
AaronFrost
Drixx

TSE's a fine lynch, would also do Elsa, Fonz, AF, Drixx

She also applied this strange playstyle of separating players into groups (similar to the concept of masons in the game we are in), as scum. I don't know exactly if this is suggestive, but it exemplifies that she is able to do it in a fluid way as scum. Another thing I noticed about her ISO is the number of posts, which was relatively high (174). In any case, she is within

Scum!Kirari's

scum-range.

[clidd]

I was townreading her previously for the fearless way she is playing, but now I see that this is not exactly as relevant a criterion as I imagined.

[Kirari Momobami]

That's fair, although that game was also confirmed multiball so maybe not the best indication of how I play scum in single ball

[Kirari Momobami]

I'll think about what singleball scum games I've rolled recently, I think the most recent would be as -Q in the STRQ hydra here: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

[Kirari Momobami]

Actually sticking with this persona, Waifu Upick would probably be easier to follow -- https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

I doubt it's possible to strongly townread me off meta, but I do think my activity here would lean town in terms of tone/engagement

[clidd]

I'll think about what singleball scum games I've rolled recently, I think the most recent would be as -Q in the STRQ hydra here: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

Actually sticking with this persona, Waifu Upick would probably be easier to follow -- https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

I doubt it's possible to strongly townread me off meta, but I do think my activity here would lean town in terms of tone/engagement

[LuckyLuciano]

I'm okay with a Kirari lynch.

[Kirari Momobami]

I mean obviously, other than this game :3

[Kirari Momobami]

I'm okay with a Kirari lynch.

I don't believe this, I think you've found town in me

[LuckyLuciano]

VOTE: Kirari

[Kirari Momobami]

Lucky what was the point of redoing everything day 1 if you weren't going to be able to hold a townread on me by the time your spamposting was complete?