Mini 2134 Gin's Joint Pick4U - GAME OVER

[Jingle]

Wait, when did I vote Pine?

VOTE: PP

[Bingle]

Wait, when did I vote Pine?

VOTE: PP

That's not an alt slip.



VOTE: PP

[Bingle]

Pine -

Spoiler: This is why I think Pine is town, in quotes from Pine form

Town Pine in a similar situation:

If someone wins exclusively when the cult is dead, that role is fucking awful design so I have no intention of playing around it.

Fair enough

If someone wins exclusively when the cult is dead, that role is fucking awful design so I have no intention of playing around it.

@Pine. Sure, but if elements and I are at the top of that list you're wasting your time. Two days and we'll be gone anyways.

@gobble: in what way does any part of this game make sense with me being a dragon?

But statements like this are what make me nervous af. The wincon probably isn’t about eliminating cult, but the possible exclusivity of it makes me nervous.

If I were outed third party, the first thing I’d do is claim that I win with Town, true or no.

I do think you’re right, exclusive anti-cult wincon is farfetched. The solution is to eliminate the cult

now

, before that timer expires, and take stock after. Hell, if they’re telling the truth that might be endgame.

Eh, I'll admit I might be flailing a bit, TBH. It's probably some combination of getting so close to finally winning the game and people threatening to screw it up even though it doesn't even concern them, my habitual desire to yell at inconsistencies, and the fact that this is my last game on site for a while.

I appreciate the tip, BTW, however my incapacity to sign into my account is my own. I changed my password to a google chrome suggested password and then had google chrome forget it. I will do the same with this account when this game is done. If I ever need to log back into these accounts, I'll just use the "forgot my password" links, but I have no intention of doing that. I have every intention of this being the last game I play on site.

I'm sorry you feel this way, as I consider it more likely than not that you're telling the truth. However, we're in nearly-uncharted game design with a practical 40-player game and a functional(!) cult mechanic. Given that there are at least five* different factions and probably as many wincons (Flavor Leaf's Thode alignment but Town coloring is still not adequately explained), I wouldn't be surprised if there are more. All of the known others have an exclusive wincon, so we don't have the luxury of assuming yours is different. Sorry, that's just the way the game is played. Frankly, claiming third party is almost never a good idea because we can't trust an unknown variable to be truthful.

*Cobble!Town, Thode?Town, Runelord!scum, Ascension!cult, Serial Killer!3P, your apparent self-alignment

Whatever. I really just hate the whole "everyone come at ML once they realize they're on death row" dig. I feel like I've put a lot more into this game than a majority of users, I've been consistently pro-town and I'm proud of my play. If you lynch me I'll be pissed and then I'll move on with my life

Third party is definitionally not pro-Town, they're pro-self. Your interests merely

coincidentally

parallel our own on a lot of tangents.

This also continues to reek of an appeal to emotion, which I'm frankly not interested in indulging. You will be missed if you depart because you're an interesting player, but I'm not jeopardizing the game over it.

Who the hell cares how pro town you have been if you're not town. You play to your wincon, not ours. Sure, there are 3Ps that can win along with town, but if it's in town's best course of action, 3Ps get lynched. "But I helped you all along!! - yes, but you're not town. Period.

Basically, you invited yourself to our council and now you want us to grant you the rank of master. Not gonna happen.

Bingo, and the reference made me chuckle.

Who the hell cares how pro town you have been if you're not town. You play to your wincon, not ours. Sure, there are 3Ps that can win along with town, but if it's in town's best course of action, 3Ps get lynched. "But I helped you all along!! - yes, but you're not town. Period.

I don't know how you manage to completely miss the point so consistently.

People are arguing I should be lynched because I'm scum.
I'm pointing out how obviously not scum I am.

You're talking about something completely different.
Once again.

I don't know how you manage to so repeatedly place your hand in the oven and not realize it's the source of your burn.
Shut up.

You are

not

obviously not scum. You are obviously third party. Not being scum doesn't give you an honorary Town membership, stop pretending it does. You chose to claim third party, you ought to have considered the ramifications of that.

Scum Pine: Salty after an activity force replace in a recent game's aftermath.

Subject: Penguin Bidding/Dead PT

I don't really play D1 as any alignment. Call it a personal failing, but I can't fucking stand the "penguins shoving one another around until one falls in to see if there's a leopard seal" game. It's a trash reason to go after me or anyone, though. Further, I pulled my own ass out of the fire on D1 so successfully that it actually rebounded against Maria, as the rats leaving the sinking Pine wagon didn't know where to go. I have a long history of very strong mid- to late-game scumplay, which D1 is wildly irrelevant to.

tl;dr: Pine's treatment of the mastina claim is 100% what I expect from town him, and none of the arguments as to why he's scum strike me as AI at all. I can find lurker Pine-as-town examples, but this should be fairly common knowledge.

Alisae - I think this is town. There's no manipulation feels here, and it feels like lost Ali without motivation, not Ali who can't see a way to fight out of the lynch pool. FotM or AvP, not DB or Stellaris.
Dunnstral - Dunn's stance on the neighborhood makes sense. There's a ton of people in there acting weird so he outs it. His reason for hiding his presence sounds well reasoned. His abandonment of the lurk-and-see tactic when he saw a thing that he thought was questionable bleeds town too. He had to know that he was going to be under suspicion for it too, and didn't give any of the fucks.
Bulbazak - Bulb knows exactly how to pocket me as scum. And he hasn't made waves to do any of that. His outright acceptance of the mastina thing doesn't strike me as scum with mastina, nor as scum without mastina. This is a weak townread, but still a townread.
Taly - My weakest townread, Taly has seemed town with the recent logic posts. I like the Ali/Maria/Pine push, even if I don't think it's right. The take on the 3rd party seems natural. OTOH, apparently we're supposed to shade him until Thursday, so he's a naughty tucan with shit reads.

MariaR - The towniest null read. The part with the post restriction seems like she was actively trying to communicate, but she hasn't really done a ton since then.
Pink Ball - Gotta be honest, PB not trying to lynch me is weird right now. Don't scumread him atm though.
Lady lambdaDelta - Is barely in this game somehow. Like, I've read her posts, and I understand her position on mastina slot, but for one of the strongest personalities on site she's just kind of there right now.

Aristophanes - Ari has been greedy AF in the hood (he really wants them dollars), hasn't engaged with the mastina claim in any way I find town, has the worst pop on to the masturbation train, and generally has shown no inclination of solving.
Enter - Didn't like his interactions with Gamma. Didn't like his interactions with Taly. Didn't like his shade. Didn't like his Bulb push. Enter here just seems like he's not interested in anything that isn't his Bulb narrative and I'm getting the sense he wants to cut anything else off at the knees.
PenguinPower - Bought the spiked Kool Aid after Bulb said it made him tipsy and gave a formatted results summary. I could have sworn there was something in the thread I found objectionable too, but I can't remember what it was and RL is calling.

mastina - I don't want to deal with this today. If this is scum and there's a thing worth outing the slot as scum as a benefit, we should have a shitton of town power. If this is legitimate, any scumteam worth their salt will blow a strongman kill here to prevent multiple public cop checks. If scum doesn't have a strongman, they still have to choose between shooting town on masturbation and town off masturbation, which is another avenue of evaluation we can follow. In the worst case, we can come back to the slot in a day or two, but the odds of it being self resolving are pretty high imo.

[Bingle]

That's town-scum and reckstina tacked on at the end, btw. Meant to format, got distracted.

[Alisae]

DB

what game was this again

[Bulbazak]

@Bingle: I thought for sure you might come back with a plan to take advantage of masturbation. This feels like an opportunity to game solve that is just being left to rot.

[Bulbazak]

VOTE: Ari

[MariaR]

Wait, when did I vote Pine?

VOTE: PP

That's not an alt slip.



VOTE: PP

Wait was this not an outted alt nani

[Bingle]

@Bingle: I thought for sure you might come back with a plan to take advantage of masturbation. This feels like an opportunity to game solve that is just being left to rot.

Wait, when did I vote Pine?

VOTE: PP

That's not an alt slip.



VOTE: PP

Wait was this not an outted alt nani

It is, but it's still embarrassing when I alt slip considering I use different skins on my different accounts.

MafBlack for hydrae, Classic for Bingle, Sepia for Jingle.

[Bingle]

Oh, I meant to answer bulb too.

Yes, I have a plan for the masturbation, but I kinda already shared it.

We pick a player who is a universal tr, and they choose the order for the rest of the players to masturbate with the scummiest players going last. Turbo lynch anyone who masturbates out of order. Do all of this tomorrow/when we agree we're willing to bet the game on mastina not being game ending. I don't think we're likely to get universal cooperation (which is necessary) and there's a not inconsiderable portion of me that thinks analyzing scum's nightkill choice is more useful without giving them a claim order.

[Alisae]

>_<

[Bulbazak]

Yeah.... The remaining 6 are unlikely to go for anything anyway. We probably could have learned a lot otherwise.

[Pink Ball]

Bingle I'm not trying to lynch you now because I'll do it at LyLo

[Bingle]

DB

what game was this again

Donnie Brasco. You were obvscum pretty much immediately, which means I don't mind trusting that my ability to read you has degraded too much. Thus, I trust the town read for now.

Bingle I'm not trying to lynch you now because I'll do it at LyLo

I dunno, man. You're the one who seems to be a lucky charm whenever we mislynch you.

[Alisae]

Donnie Brasco. You were obvscum pretty much immediately, which means I don't mind trusting that my ability to read you has degraded too much. Thus, I trust the town read for now.

you realized I was intentionally obvscum in that game right?

[Alisae]

like i didn't understand the setup
but i was objectively trolling my team

[Alisae]

like you did it
you correctly read me as scum when i wanted to be read as scum

[Bingle]

Fair, but the point stands. I don't remember reading you as town when you were scum. I remember having trouble reading you on occasion, but I trust that the read I have is accurate.

Do you disagree that I have a decent record at reading you? Do you think I shouldn't be townreading you here?

[Bingle]

Also a little weirded out that no one has mentioned my softclaim.

[Bingle]

Hey, so I think Bulb is telling me that scum explicitly don't have daychat and I cannot find this information anywhere. Am I high? Have I been smoking the masturbation again?

If this is confirmed somewhere please link. If not, Bulb, can you explain?

Also, I still don't really want to discuss shit in the PT, because the main thread is slow AF, even if you're right. I will of course heed your advice to leave the thing I'm not worried about right now alone in the interest of poking the thing I am focusing on, though.

[Bingle]

Oh, right PP.

Knew BP was gone.

This rubs me the wrong way. I know why PP knew the BP was gone, but outing it for no reason seems like something town would be less likely to do.

Additionally, the whole Dunn/PP interaction doesn't look like PP is trying to solve or sort Dunn, just that it's a comfortable place to keep his vote for non AI stuff without scrutiny. Given that I think the non AI stuff in this case is actually town indicative, I think that's worth poking.


I do appreciate his memes though.

[Bulbazak]

Also a little weirded out that no one has mentioned my softclaim.

I didn't notice, and I don't feel like trying to look it up. You do you.

Hey, so I think Bulb is telling me that scum explicitly don't have daychat and I cannot find this information anywhere. Am I high? Have I been smoking the masturbation again?

If this is confirmed somewhere please link. If not, Bulb, can you explain?

Also, I still don't really want to discuss shit in the PT, because the main thread is slow AF, even if you're right. I will of course heed your advice to leave the thing I'm not worried about right now alone in the interest of poking the thing I am focusing on, though.

I said no such thing! All I said was that I agreed that it made sense that they had day talk, but given that the op didn't say one way or the other, I didn't want to assume that was the case.

[Enter]

I'm ok with you trying to lunch me but if you insist that it's a good idea for me to be bigger, I'm going to have to kill you.

[Enter]

*lynch, vigged (not bigger)

[Enter]

I mean, I am scum, so I'll just use my factional kill to remove you tonight if you're not lynched today.