Jigsaw's Revenge - Game Over

[pisskop]

GuiltyLion and davesaz could very well be bussing each other. In any case, we should concentrate our votes. Bring me a chair and rope.

Both seem town to me here tbh

hmmm, why is dave obviously town?

[Almost50]

5 have claimed no PT, you're missing pisskop.

OK, so 2 within momo/EJ/Gamma/VD/Vecna/Blake.

@Vecna: Since you are here, are you in a hood? Hust a yes or no will suffice. Thank you.
@Gamma/Elsa: you too since you're both kind of on and off all the time. Just a declaration that you are indeed in a hood or are not is all I ask.

[Vecna]

and yes A50 I confirm I am a lone soldier, not in any hoods.

By my count 4 players have claimed NO HOOD, and the leaders collectively report a total of 14 players IN HOODS. 3 players are either hiding within the hoods or are declining to claim they're not in any.

Those 3 are within momo/EJ/Gamma/VD/Vecna/Hectic/dave/farside. I have removed Pine, Dany & BM as they have declared they were in a hood one way or another. I also dropped George because I liked GL's reasoning for town!him.

So, my preliminary lynch pool as of now is in momo/EJ/Gamma/VD/Vecna/Hectic/dave/farside (but that doesn't factor in how I gut read any of these slots)

Im not in any hood, and in my experience it is rarely +ev for town to publicly claim all this shit when hoods are not universal.

Id make an argument to look into whom are pushing for the mass reveal just in case it later turns out it mightve been relevant, but meh.

(just to elaborate, PR's that have functionality or have abilities triggered/enabled based on hoods etc is what gives me hesitance)

[GuiltyLion]

By the way that was in regards to ABR's willing to lynch list. I wasn't sure if he was doing it based on those in a hood or not, that was why I asked if everyone should claim.

I understand that...? I was saying to a50 we could probably assume you were in a hood because of you making that comment and also not saying that you weren't in a hood.

[GuiltyLion]

EBWOP - while also not saying that you weren't in a hood.

[Albert B. Rampage]

5 have claimed no PT, you're missing pisskop.

OK, so 2 within momo/EJ/Gamma/VD/Vecna/Blake.

@Vecna: Since you are here, are you in a hood? Hust a yes or no will suffice. Thank you.
@Gamma/Elsa: you too since you're both kind of on and off all the time. Just a declaration that you are indeed in a hood or are not is all I ask.

Why is this important to you?

[farside]

By the way that was in regards to ABR's willing to lynch list. I wasn't sure if he was doing it based on those in a hood or not, that was why I asked if everyone should claim.

I understand that...? I was saying to a50 we could probably assume you were in a hood because of you making that comment and also not saying that you weren't in a hood.

Why is it scummy then? He's scum hunting outside the hood.

[Albert B. Rampage]

A50 how do you feel about Vecna now that he claimed not to be in a PT?

[Vecna]

Spoiler:

By the way im wantes to comment about being fingered by pisskop, but he's like a kid brother and the idea gave me hives.

Trying to brush off all the suspicion with odd humor now are we?

*puts on a monocle and stares*

First thing was this.
Tweet noted herself

Interesting Vecna chooses that kind of wording for farside. She seemed way less invested in the "odd humour" in comparison to the others

Which Venca never follow up with or said anything about.

Considering the post before that is my introduction, it is indeed my RVS. Serious Mode will be put on soon.

Write out your detailed thoughts no later than tomorrow night, as you've unfortunately already drawn my attention.

Elaborate? For most it'd be the other way around.

I'm confident I can have a better read on them the longer the game goes on, so I won't even entertain lynching them day 1 at all.

Rampage can be my friend this game

VOTE: Vecna

Why?

Because your alarm bells also went off and you also felt the need to question the "randomizer rvs bit"

Good gut tingles make for good friends

I don't see anything that elsa post that made this reversal reason a thing at all.

Yeah, Drixx not looking at the front page whether it was just a copy of the playerlist is kinda.....yikes

EBWOP: Vecna gets scum points for helping BATTLE MAGE sell his bullshit. Momo was involved but not the direct purveyor of said stinky load. He also tried to sell it to you though. Unless you like carts full of bullshit, maybe you should wonder why those three are trying to sell you one.

What?

Someone posts a readslist.

Battle mage OBVIOUSLY ridicules said person by copying the player list in reaction

You come and try to paint it as scummy what battle mage does, and then attack the people that point out you just did a whoosh?

VOTE: Drixx

EBWOP: Vecna gets scum points for helping BATTLE MAGE sell his bullshit. Momo was involved but not the direct purveyor of said stinky load. He also tried to sell it to you though. Unless you like carts full of bullshit, maybe you should wonder why those three are trying to sell you one.

What?

Someone posts a readslist.

Battle mage OBVIOUSLY ridicules said person by copying the player list in reaction

You come and try to paint it as scummy what battle mage does, and then attack the people that point out you just did a whoosh?

VOTE: Drixx

Now lets link the post that Drixx made a case on BM

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11747901

Did drixx miss it was blank list of players. Yes. Was that drixx full reason for voting BM? No.
So apparently Vecna focuses on the only thing he can attack.

And Vecna pulls a KM and pretends to misunderstand and scum read for his failure to understand. I haven't exactly laid down any dissertations yet. Short easy to digest posts. Vecna already got called for helping reinforce the bullshit claim that I voted BM for the reads list, which I already pointed out was a BS misrep and what does Vecna do? He nitpicks a post that I did an EBWOP for because I typed "momo" instead of "Battlemage" and tries to pretend he actually believes I made a temporal order mistake and ... then proceeds to try to sell you all the bullshit claim, again, that my vote came as a result of one thing when it clearly happened in response to something else.

So ... who benefits from obfuscating really clear things in mafia games?

I'm like 99.9% of the way to swapping my vote to Vecna at this point. Either too lazy to actually read short posts or scum. There's literally no other possibility space now.

I'd be down for a Vecna wagon.

So, are you waiting for someone else to do it first?

Permission?

Now I get to the priceless moment. I see more scum motivation of taunting in a post like this. He even ignored that I was voting for someone on a more serious level.

In short weak pushes from him. Taunting, followup with cherry picking comments to make players look scummy and all in all looks to be avoiding the full conversation at hand.

VOTE: Vernca

You did try to brush off suspicion by responding with an awkward joke. I made a mental note of it because awkward responses and trying to sound cool under low ammounts of pressure is a defense I typically typecast for scum. Nowhere near definitive. Didnt respond to tweet because he completely missed the mark on what I meant and didnt feel the need to clarify my thought process yet.

And yes, I was taunting you to see how you'd respond. Pretty over the top and over explanatory.

But youre right, I was cherry picking a few of your posts to shake the proverbial tree. Im not impressed by your responses at all.

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[Vecna]

GuiltyLion and davesaz could very well be bussing each other. In any case, we should concentrate our votes. Bring me a chair and rope.

Both seem town to me here tbh

hmmm, why is dave obviously town?

I wouldnt call it obvious yet by any stretch, but he seems to be carelessly putting his thoughts out there, and they have a pretty good overall vibe so far.

[GuiltyLion]

By the way that was in regards to ABR's willing to lynch list. I wasn't sure if he was doing it based on those in a hood or not, that was why I asked if everyone should claim.

I understand that...? I was saying to a50 we could probably assume you were in a hood because of you making that comment and also not saying that you weren't in a hood.

Why is it scummy then? He's scum hunting outside the hood.

I'm saying YOU would have been scummy if you weren't in a hood, and you had asked ABR that same question without providing the info that you weren't in a hood.

reading is fundamental, no?

[farside]

@ venca: Everyone was commenting about the finger comment. I thought it was funny and commented. There was no pressure during that time. Pressure is multiple votes on you all at once in my opinion.
How it the joke awkward at all? I love gross jokes.

Pfft cherry picking in my book is scummy and you think it shakes out scum? That is scummy because all it does in enforce you faking a scum read.

[farside]

By the way that was in regards to ABR's willing to lynch list. I wasn't sure if he was doing it based on those in a hood or not, that was why I asked if everyone should claim.

I understand that...? I was saying to a50 we could probably assume you were in a hood because of you making that comment and also not saying that you weren't in a hood.

Why is it scummy then? He's scum hunting outside the hood.

I'm saying YOU would have been scummy if you weren't in a hood, and you had asked ABR that same question without providing the info that you weren't in a hood.

reading is fundamental, no?

Got it. I read that in the wrong context, sorry.

[Vecna]

Cherry picking is only scummy if theres intent from scum behind it. Town also always cherry picks shit they think is scummy and prod at it.

[Vecna]

ill admit I mightve missed a bit of the fingering joke context though

[GuiltyLion]

2) If scum have fake claims, in all odds they will know that there is a Cartoon Characters hood. Why would one of them then claim Roger Rabbit if they are not in that hood? Why not use one of their other fake claims from the pool of 5 that they have?

The idea is to get them to

post in the hood if they are in it

. If they are not in it then their claim would probably be different (definition of a

safe

fake claim).

As for why assume fake claim are readily available to scum, it's because if flavour is indicative of alignment this

has to be the case

. If alignments are randomly assigned though then there is no common hood flavour to begin with. Dany was talking under the assumption flavour was

related to alignments

.

hmmm actually I guess I can actually see the comment possibly making sense from a town flavored character in a flavored hood. if danyBoy can confirm that that's what he is then I guess that solves like 90% of my issues with his post, maybe? though there is still a questionable assumption there that the scum in PTs have a fakeclaim that is also flavor linked to their PT. What if they had an entirely separate fakeclaim?

I'm not "salty" about anything, why do you say that? As for town!indicative things you've done idk rn, but like you seem awfully hot and bothered by my vote here. When it comes to Dany I just don't think it's scummy that he blurted out a thought like he did, it could be a scum thing but it's not scummy, there's no solid scum motivation that outweighs the posibble town motivations for it rn ime.

eh fair I probably added tone to your post that wasn't there. But I am happy to admit that I am hot and bothered by votes on me, do you think that's alignment indicative? At the time I was a leading wagon, and I'm trying to find whether there are scum voting me. That will be useful info for all of us later.

[farside]

Cherry picking is only scummy if theres intent from scum behind it. Town also always cherry picks shit they think is scummy and prod at it.

*sigh*
I feel like I going to have to put on a hat for this........
*puts on dorky hat*
There is a difference between cherry picking things that ding you and reading everything going on in the game to see if that post has merrit for looking scummy.
I have seen a number of times scum cherry pick through things to make a BS case with missing gaps all in between.
*Dork hat off*

Grumbles.......

[Almost50]

5 have claimed no PT, you're missing pisskop.

OK, so 2 within momo/EJ/Gamma/VD/Vecna/Blake.

@Vecna: Since you are here, are you in a hood? Hust a yes or no will suffice. Thank you.
@Gamma/Elsa: you too since you're both kind of on and off all the time. Just a declaration that you are indeed in a hood or are not is all I ask.

Why is this important to you?

Because everybody has already had enough time to post in their hoods if they were in any. Getting those who had not posted to explicitly admit they were avoiding their hoods (unlikely, because they'd have to explain why they had not announced themselves in their hoods) or to explicitly deny having access to hoods (which then gives the Traffic Analyst/PT Cop the info to verify the claim) is good.

I am NOT asking people to claim

which

hood they are in, if any. I also find it pretty unsettling that you don't see what I'm doing already, and coupled with you trying to forcefully hijack the Town Leader position I can;t say that I still TR you as strong as I did when you first posted.

[Almost50]

A50 how do you feel about Vecna now that he claimed not to be in a PT?

I don't

feel

. I

deduce

. Vecna is now off the lynch pool for D1.

[Vecna]

That hat looks wonderful on you, why take it off

How do you feel about Drixx pretending he never whooshed on whatshisname pasting the playerlist and Drixx claiming it was scummy?

[Vecna]

Man I feel like I almost need to make a collage with big arrows and giant font to show how weird that was

[Albert B. Rampage]

@a50 Vault and Pine haven't even posted yet. You're in my lynch list because you're acting antitown.

[Vecna]

Especially considering how he then made a three paragraph post claiming it was me not understanding what had just happened

[Elsa Jay]

5 have claimed no PT, you're missing pisskop.

OK, so 2 within momo/EJ/Gamma/VD/Vecna/Blake.

@Vecna: Since you are here, are you in a hood? Hust a yes or no will suffice. Thank you.
@Gamma/Elsa: you too since you're both kind of on and off all the time. Just a declaration that you are indeed in a hood or are not is all I ask.

I will comment by saying I refuse to comment.

Also, Albert, anytime you quote a long post my finger disapproves and I have to do a super swipe. Sad times.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Nope, that's Vecna making life hard for everyone.