Mini 2133: XP Mafia II (Game Over)

[Ame]

we are trusting that she is a rational agent

[Ame]

Pink, Pine. You trust me, you trust Raya. Trust that we have good intentions, assume we aren't idiots, and ask questions later.

[Ginngie]

Pink, Pine. You trust me, you trust Raya. Trust that we have good intentions, assume we aren't idiots, and ask questions later.

no

[Ame]

Pink, Pine.

[springlullaby]

What possible good intention you (plural) may have?

You have claimed vote unlocking tree trunk. Are you also a neighborood maker?

[springlullaby]

This needs to stop. Ame has been low key fishing for PR's many times now.
Stop it.

Ame, why don't you volunteer to be captured?

[Ame]

You have claimed vote unlocking tree trunk. Are you also a neighborood maker?

This needs to stop. Ame has been low key fishing for PR's many times now.
Stop it.

I think NK may be correct.

[Ame]

4 hours. Meat is back on the menu boys.

HURT: Spring

[Hectic]

Capturing town to "rule them out" from having done a nightkill is actually a terrible idea. Ame, were you reaction testing/serious about that plan? Have you changed your mind on springlullaby being town again?

momo's still my scumlean so I'm keeping my vote on him.

[Ame]

Town's inability to act in good faith with one another this game is seriously putting a damper on our EV.

Spring, I find it absurd that you had this in mind, but could not make the logical leap for what I was doing with Raya here:

Because, if her claim is true, she is a safe target to receive the item.

[Ame]

Have you changed your mind on springlullaby being town again?

Yes, I change my mind. Those last two posts by Spring are the second set of scummiest posts in the game.

No, I wasn't reaction testing. Not capturing momo. And this isn't the time for vanity wagons. SwItch to either Spring or Farkran with me. We lynch the other.

[Ame]

You've wanted Spring all day. I'm giving that to you now. You said you'd feel bad if you were wrong right? You know from experience that end of day play is where I'm in my element (think insomnia in boon, you in boon, and Ico in strawberry).

[Ame]

Town's inability to act in good faith with one another this game is seriously putting a damper on our EV.

Like seriously Hectic, you haven't been able to fully read everything and sort your thoughts, so just put faith in me here.

[Ame]

1179 and 1180 above. Spring blatantly role fishes, gets self-conscious about it, and attempts to paint it as if it were I that were doing so.

[Ame]

Here ya go: https://dictionary.apa.org/projection

[Farkset]

Are people around? We probably need to settle down on something.

@mod VC plox

~ker

[Ame]

A little under 3 hours, come on guys!!

[Hectic]

Alright, Miami.

HURT: springlullaby

[Ame]

Unofficial Vote Count

[Capture] springlullaby (5)- momo, Pine, Farkset, Ame, Hectic
[Capture] Farkset (2)- springlullaby, Not Known 15
[Capture] Raya (2) - Raya36, FotC
[Capture] Lady Chloe (1) - mastina
[Capture] NK15 (1) - Farkset

End Day (1)- Lady Chloe

Not voting (1)- Ginngie

With 13 alive it takes 7 to reach a majority.

Deadline is in (expired on 2020-04-20 13:00:00)

[Raya36]

I'm here. All leader votes need to be accounted for and everyone has to vote

[Ame]

Leader Count

Ame (6) - Pine, Pink Ball, Raya, Hectic, Lady, FotC
NK15 (2) - Ame, [Hectic]
FotC (2) - [Ame], [Lady]
Spring (1) - [FotC]
Hectic (1) - Farkset
Lady (1) - [[FotC]]
Raya (1) - [[[FotC]]]

Not Voting: NK15, mastina, Ginnie, momo, Spring

Key:
[] Second Choice
[[]] Third Choice
[[[]]] Fourth Choice


Lady is off quest, but with momo's double vote that should be majority.

[Raya36]

So NK, mastina, Ginngie, momo, Spring all need to come here and vote for a leader or explain why they aren't voting

[Flight of the Conchords]

Ame has a clear plurality and will be the leader. I will view any attempt to subvert from this in the quest as scum motivated.
The are so many slots in the game showing no interested at all, even in placing a vote. I can't tell the bad town from the scum.

- Bret

[Raya36]

Which is exactly why we need everyone to place a vote before we go into the night

[Farkset]

The only thing i agree with, in the last two pages worth of content, is that there's no cooperation and too many egotistical plays. I'm not excluding myself from that list, but i'm used to be the only one - or one of very few elements - who plays like that in a game and it's usually beneficial to have more content to analyze, at least when i am not scum. We have been doing a decent job deciding on the new mechanic to implement, and it seems that the quest leader has also been chosen, so it's weird that we can't compromise on a target to capture.

The question to ask is:

Why both town and scum were content to have disable strongman as the new mechanic and Ame as the quest leader, but there's so much dissent on the capture target?

Possible answers:
1) Scum is lurking and do not wish to engage the gamestate. This would point to town!Ame having very bad reads and scum residing in the less vocal players: {mastina slot, gingie, pinkball, momo, pine, nk15, raya}
2) All scum are in the vocal players and they're staging to the purpose of dismantling any town cohesion - this would point to either town!ame with good reads, or scum!ame: {farkran, springlullaby, ame, hectic, foc, chloe}

The players who have gone against town cohesion at any given time are mostly {chloe, hectic, foc} which are part of the vocal group, but to be honest, given my information and my read confidence i think that the largest part, if not all, the scumteam resides in the other group. I am town, i think Ame/Hectic/Chloe are town - i have a hard time believing that there is more than 0-1 powerwolf in this game with so many people not engaging. If there were more, this game would be much, much more of a mess - i have experienced it. The world i believe in is town!Ame with less than average reads, which would match her meta and a gamestate where scum does nothing to prevent her town leadership, whereas other vocal people are being met with strong resistance - this applies to both me and springlullaby.

Elaboration on my latest paragraph:
- chloe proposed day end when springlullaby was the top wagon, without offering a read on springlullaby and siding with the minority who wanted a no capture outcome.

i now townread her by content

- foc assaulted every single initiative that anyone has ever proposed.

i still scumread them

- hectic posts/content ratio has fallen since springlullaby and farkran have divided the town in two factions, instead keeping up the D&D gimmick which was cool but admittedly not very helpful.

i still townread hectic by personal experience with him

I don't see any towniness coming out from NK15 building a SvS case backwards, but you do you. He's currently my highest scumread. To be fair, currently i wouldn't capture in the vocal group, even if i find springlullaby's claim quality and timing very poor and foc towniness is nowhere to be found. I'll wait one hour for everyone to make up their mind, then i'll come back and vote the highest wagon, and go into d2 with more information and hopefully that will work out better.

-Farkran