Mini 2134 Gin's Joint Pick4U - GAME OVER

[Pink Ball]

Survivalistic vote by gobble tbh

It is actually the opposite, Bulba's wagon has more votes and the people actually pushing that wagon have a better chance of getting Bulba lynched. Me moving to Pine with LLD and Reckoner is probably the least survialistic thing I could have done other than vote someone who is obvtownie, or has no votes.

How do you know that other than looking at the wagon and the people forming the wagons? Have you read the entire game?

[gobbledygook]

Survivalistic vote by gobble tbh

It is actually the opposite, Bulba's wagon has more votes and the people actually pushing that wagon have a better chance of getting Bulba lynched. Me moving to Pine with LLD and Reckoner is probably the least survialistic thing I could have done other than vote someone who is obvtownie, or has no votes.

How do you know that other than looking at the wagon and the people forming the wagons? Have you read the entire game?

No, it is knowing that both Reckoenr and LLD have better things to do than play mafia lmao

[Pink Ball]

Your hunch could potentially end the game vs his hunch that is being prudent.

Also you picked the one non masturbator who is being wagoned so it's survivalistic and you're justifying your vote to appeal the masses

I have role information that it will not end the game.

Lol

[Bingle]

You're approaching this from the assumption that Pine is scum, and framing the evidence to support that.

If Pine is town -> Pine would believe this.

Any argument that Pine is scum here based solely on his reckslot stance is bad because it is PROVABLY a stance he would take as either alignment. If you want to argue why Pine is scum without using the reckslot, I'll listen. If you want to talk to me about other reads, I'll be excited (we both know I think your reads are strong). I still think you're scum (enter poisoned the slot quite a bit, which you can't answer for and this does look like you're intentionally missing the point) but I respect you as a player enough to want to get your engagement here.


Did you read my readslist? Do you have any thoughts on people who aren't Pine?

[Pink Ball]

P-edit: Why do you think you'll lose the game?

I outlined exactly why I think she's lying in the post above.

If she's lying about not ending the game by achieving her wincon, we lose by allowing her to achieve her wincon.

This totally reads like you have info on mastina's role

[Pink Ball]

Stop trying to look like a conciliator Bingle you're getting lynched right after the turkey

[gobbledygook]

You're approaching this from the assumption that Pine is scum, and framing the evidence to support that.

If Pine is town -> Pine would believe this.

Any argument that Pine is scum here based solely on his reckslot stance is bad because it is PROVABLY a stance he would take as either alignment. If you want to argue why Pine is scum without using the reckslot, I'll listen. If you want to talk to me about other reads, I'll be excited (we both know I think your reads are strong). I still think you're scum (enter poisoned the slot quite a bit, which you can't answer for and this does look like you're intentionally missing the point) but I respect you as a player enough to want to get your engagement here.


Did you read my readslist? Do you have any thoughts on people who aren't Pine?

Nah, I'm mad right now. Not gonna play until we go with this obviously better plan or lynch obviously scum Pine. Maybe in a few days we can talk or you can just lynch me. I really don't care. Tired of people fighting me on literally everything all the time Day 1.

[Pink Ball]

Flailing caught scum tbh

[Pink Ball]

Your hunch could potentially end the game vs his hunch that is being prudent.

Also you picked the one non masturbator who is being wagoned so it's survivalistic and you're justifying your vote to appeal the masses

I have role information that it will not end the game.

P-edit: Why do you think you'll lose the game?

I outlined exactly why I think she's lying in the post above.

If she's lying about not ending the game by achieving her wincon, we lose by allowing her to achieve her wincon.

This totally reads like you have info on mastina's role

Let's get this done, tomorrow we analize any masturbation plan with one less scum and from scratch

[Dunnstral]

I'm ok with you trying to lunch me but if you insist that it's a good idea for me to be bigger, I'm going to have to kill you.

Did anyone actually advocate this? Except, you know, in the neighborhood Enter theoretically doesn't have access to?

I mentioned that it happened.

Bulbazak- 4 (Alisae, MariaR, gobbledygook, Pine)

L - 3

Pine- 2 (xRECKONERx, Lady Lambdadelta)

L - 5

Dunnstral- 1 (PenguinPower)

L - 6

Aristophanes- 1 (Dunnstral)

L - 6

gobbledygook- 1 (Bulbazak)

L - 6

PenguinPower- 1 (Bingle)

L - 6

Not Voting - 3 (Taly, Pink Ball, Mr. Stophanes)

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to lynch.

I need to hear from all of PP/Dunn/Taly/PB/Stophanes about their current votes and where they'd be willing to compromise.

Bulb is excluded because he's talked about the enter/gobbles scumread, but I would be interested in hearing his thoughts on other peoples.

I'm not interested in voting for Enter/Gobble, not really interested in voting for reck or bulba either

I'm interested in voting for Ari and Penguin

[gobbledygook]

PB scum or still angry at me from Furret. Can’t tell

[Pink Ball]

Why not both?

[Dunnstral]

Your hunch could potentially end the game vs his hunch that is being prudent.

Also you picked the one non masturbator who is being wagoned so it's survivalistic and you're justifying your vote to appeal the masses

I have role information that it will not end the game.

Yikes Enter certainly didn't act like it though.

Anyway, I'm fine with helping Reck now, after mulling it over. Probably on day 2 instead of day 1

[Bingle]

Flailing caught scum tbh

Eh. Maybe, maybe not.

I'm interested to see roughly 9 more hot takes on gobble's entrance. There's a lot of people who have been hard to read, and whatever else this is, it's definitely content.

[Pink Ball]

Wait there must be some kind of glitch in the matrix

Dunn are you agreeing with me?

[gobbledygook]

Dunn: I was obviously lying about having role information that it wouldn’t end game. But I would think you all would be aware that if Mastina did have a third party role with a win con that ended the game she would not claim third party and instead come up with some other claim to get people to masturbate. Apparently that is beyond people though that Mastina

[Bingle]

Nah, I'm mad right now.

FWIW, I <3 you gobble. And I do truly enjoy getting in fights with you, as frustrating as they get sometimes. I hope you also have fun with them, even if it's only in retrospect sometimes.

[Pink Ball]

Caught in a lie ---> shades everyone

[xRECKONERx]

mastina - I don't want to deal with this today. If this is scum and there's a thing worth outing the slot as scum as a benefit, we should have a shitton of town power. If this is legitimate, any scumteam worth their salt will blow a strongman kill here to prevent multiple public cop checks. If scum doesn't have a strongman, they still have to choose between shooting town on masturbation and town off masturbation, which is another avenue of evaluation we can follow. In the worst case, we can come back to the slot in a day or two, but the odds of it being self resolving are pretty high imo.

ok wait why would scum waste a strongman on me? are you implying town protective would protect 3rd party? lol what?

[xRECKONERx]

Oh, I meant to answer bulb too.

Yes, I have a plan for the masturbation, but I kinda already shared it.

We pick a player who is a universal tr, and they choose the order for the rest of the players to masturbate with the scummiest players going last. Turbo lynch anyone who masturbates out of order. Do all of this tomorrow/when we agree we're willing to bet the game on mastina not being game ending. I don't think we're likely to get universal cooperation (which is necessary) and there's a not inconsiderable portion of me that thinks analyzing scum's nightkill choice is more useful without giving them a claim order.

actually, the most info you could get outta that would be the "the last person who masturbates before reck leaves the game is confirmed to be town"

[xRECKONERx]

it has been 13 months since I have had sexual contact with anyone other than pamela handerson. pamela and I hang out every day, twice a day. we talk, share special moments. its a good friendship

love the turkey

[xRECKONERx]

Why why WHY are people ready to bet the game on their fucking HUNCHES? Mastina/Reck is a third party slot. I immediately don't give a flying fucking shit about their wincon, and absolutely everything out of their mouth should be regarded as one step short of a Guilty Child Treestump.

neutral 3p that can work with town might as well be town in this wild ass game

your adamant insistence that we don't use my fucking ability to help town screams of scum wanting to shut down the plan so they or their buddies dont get outted

because i just realized, in addition to clearing the last person as town before i leave the game, it would CONFIRM EVERY REMAINING PLAYER THAT HASN'T MASTURBATED AS NONTOWN

VOTE: Pine

[xRECKONERx]

Also for the record, I'm really sorry about this, Reck. It's always a pleasure to play with you. If Mastina hadn't claimed it and just started the masturbation trend without mentioning third parties, it would likely have been treated as a silly drug-themed feature of the game and you'd have gotten an easy win and MAYBE actually exposed a scumzor.

there's zero reason not to do it though

like, here are the scenarios:
- we do it early and use it to try to get information
- we don't do it early, i fuck around all game waiting for enough people to die, because scum are going to want me to achieve my wincon bc it removes another person from the game, and if we wait until endgame, and i leave then, town could be fucked by my sudden departure

scum aren't going to waste a kill on me when i will leave the game naturally eventually

if the group of people gets to the end of the list and the last person is town, then you start hunting/flipping from the people who jumped the gun early before we organized claims

[xRECKONERx]

Here's the critical failure point: If we did this, it always ALWAYS goes to the last person, because scum NEVER allow themselves to be left out, which ALWAYS means we risk everything for nothing.

It's an absolute shit gamble. I agree that it's low-order probability that we lose to Reck here, but it's an even lower probability that we get anything for our trouble.

PE: YOLOsturbated.

If you are town and as you said are not going to risk the day on this, why does it matter that I Yolosturbated?

Because the pool of non-masturbators is down to five, and if Reck is a version of a serial killer it's easy to murder your way through that number.

You didn't think before you acted.

-xRECKONERx
-Bulbazak
-PenguinPower
-Taly
-Pink Ball
-Bingle
-Aristophanes
-gobbledygook

here, if your doomsday scenario goes all the way to the end, like you said, you lynch from this list specifically

[Bingle]

Bulbazek says that the neighborhood should keep the fact that mastina has the bp a secret

Reck, your slot is outed BP via marketplace and there's enough methodical players here to make obscuring that impossible. If you die, it's because scum used a sman on you. Town has no reason to vig you.

And yes, the last person to masturbate before you leave would be town, all nonmasturbaters would be scum, and you would be a functional vigshot. If you don't leave with one non masturbator remaining and then flip role as claimed (because we decide not to trust you), that person is necessarily town.