Newbie 1996: GAME OVER

[Kirari Momobami]

I mean yeah you outlined why slayer's gambit with 0-1 tprs alive is a bad idea

I wonder if I should townread claiming VT at l-0. I'm gonna say no, that being said you're kinda just throwing in a world where you're town so... *shrug*

What's your read of Monkey?

pedit: Holden also explaining why claiming VT for literally no reason on day 2 is not the best strategic play but this was written at Yooh

[Yooh]

So you're backing down now when I'm obvious scum?

I already wrote everything my read and I don't want to write it down anymore. I'm FUCKING TIRED.

[Kirari Momobami]

My current thought is that the town friendly neighbor was jailkept last night actually

The reason I think that is that that is the worst possible scenario for town and this kinda feels like one of those games

[Yooh]

My current thought is that the town friendly neighbor was jailkept last night actually

The reason I think that is that that is the worst possible scenario for town and this kinda feels like one of those games

DON'T JOKING PLEASE LUL THIS IS COMEDY

[Yooh]

My current thought is that the town friendly neighbor was jailkept last night actually

The reason I think that is that that is the worst possible scenario for town and this kinda feels like one of those games

DON'T JOKING PLEASE LUL THIS IS COMEDY

[Kirari Momobami]

So you're backing down now when I'm obvious scum?

I already wrote everything my read and I don't want to write it down anymore. I'm FUCKING TIRED.

Yes, it's pretty clear that if you're town that you're tilted, and if you're scum then you're just tripling down on AtE. In neither scenario are you useful for me right now and while I was scumreading you I was not at present voting you so this whole thing you're doing now seems like a massive overreaction

And massive overreactions was the whole reason I was scumreading you in the first place. I don't know if you've gone past go and circled back to being TOO ridiculous to be scum now but I'm already kinda dealing with my feelings where a theme game that was advertised as non-bastard ended up being bastard so I'm not really in the mood to deal with whatever you have going on today sorry

[Yooh]

Look, you admitted you want to fakeclaim cop today, meanwhile I propose something better and you're backing down?

[HoldenGolden]

I get Kirari not wanted to take responsibility for outing a PR. But if you yourself said you got PR vibes from his posts (I assume it was when he made posts like the one quoted above, which is directly a result of Kirari's cop/mason stuff) then why would you at the same time argue that IW22 was not killed for that?

This is in response to one of 3b (on mobile so it's easier to do them one at a time)

My point is that there is many reasons why Inwho could be killed besides kirari fished out a response (in general had a pr tone, was universally town read, etc) making the night kill speculation much more WIFOM than I liked.

My pr read on inwho had nothing to do with kirari and her posts either.

Pedit: kirari what gives you the notion that we are in that particular set up though? How is that any worse than just vt here?

@floof take the night off then. Relax and catch some Zzzs. The thread will still be here later and I have found from experience walking away from the game helps solve it too.

[HoldenGolden]

The best plan is to avoid 1v1 and giving addtional info for scum to process.

On the off chance both you and kirari is both town, it locks the rest of us into it while scum gets off Scot free. Picking off the last pr role, if any, in the process.

If one of you is scum, then you are setting up more than enough jusfitcation for the other to plant their vote on you and potentially give scum another vote. It depends on how the partner reacts, but it may prove to be difficult to link the partner to whoever flips red.

[Kirari Momobami]

Look, you admitted you want to fakeclaim cop today, meanwhile I propose something better and you're backing down?

You'll notice that although I did admit that would have been my preference that:
a) I did not actually do so because scum hit a TPR
b) Since scum hit a TPR that would have been tantamount to a throw

Also since I have successfully fakeclaimed cop before and know when to retract a claim, I trust myself to know how to manage a fakeclaim as a reaction test rather than pushing it to slayer's gambit in a manner that will still let me get my lynch.

Again, me admitting that I like to do fun things is not ACTUALLY the same as actively throwing the game

[Kirari Momobami]

Pedit: kirari what gives you the notion that we are in that particular set up though? How is that any worse than just vt here?

because it would be extra scummy wifom and distracting

actually you're right that objectively speaking a C scenario where JK is sole PR would be worst case scenario for town but *shrug*

[Kirari Momobami]

There's a chance that Yooh actually is deep end over scum here but the majority of time I've felt "disappointed" in people I think are town they've actually just ended up being scum and if he's town I'm definitely disappointed now

Like Yooh could be town but he's being very, very scummy now. I think town recognize that if they want to win the game a l-0 VT claim is just a terrible idea even if they think it will get a scum flip somehow (it usually won't) so claiming for literally no reason is not townie at all. None of that guarantees he is scum. But he's testing the limits of my desire to think about his alignment.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Hello. I'm procrastinating this game because it's developed into a tricky difficult game where my scum read feels like they're town, and that means I need to re-read the thread to be on top of it again. But I shouldn't have done that because Yooh has engaged into a weird no-payoff gambit that makes no sense as town or scum to do.

Suggestions on where to start are welcome.

[HoldenGolden]

You do realize that despite fun and games that you, kirari, can be said to have played an objectively anti-town playstyle this game though right?

You have to realize that I would be scum reading you if it wasnt for the way day 2 happen with the early rush to lynch you coupled with other issues I had with the thread sentiment.

I'm still processing the interaction as a whole (it bugs me but I'll admit I have issues discerning rather or not anger is real or forced), but ideas tend to sound great sometimes prior to execution. That's why everyone dies in the traps in saw. They dont think too much in the heat of the moment and then their head goes Boom from a reverse bear trap.

[HoldenGolden]

Hello. I'm procrastinating this game because it's developed into a tricky difficult game where my scum read feels like they're town, and that means I need to re-read the thread to be on top of it again. But I shouldn't have done that because Yooh has engaged into a weird no-payoff gambit that makes no sense as town or scum to do.

Suggestions on where to start are welcome.

So you are now town on kirari? What props the switch?

[humaneatingmonkey]

If we can just agree to lynch 3bounty, too, that would be swell.

This guy says scum is on Alo's wagon, and that we should be voting there, but I see no effort to refine his reads on LL, clidd, or HoldenGolden. It just seems like scumclaiming.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Hello. I'm procrastinating this game because it's developed into a tricky difficult game where my scum read feels like they're town, and that means I need to re-read the thread to be on top of it again. But I shouldn't have done that because Yooh has engaged into a weird no-payoff gambit that makes no sense as town or scum to do.

Suggestions on where to start are welcome.

So you are now town on kirari? What props the switch?

Honestly, just the wall of texts.

Forgive me for being shallow here but this is what I feel now. I probably will have stronger convictions after I get on top of the game again.

[Kirari Momobami]

I think it's totally fair to critique my playstyle, but I think the level of critiques ("don't play newbie games" "I'm claiming VT with one PR alive at l-5") is like, not even in the same galaxy as me deciding to list my townreads as "masons"

It's also the case that scum complain about my playstyle A LOT

I would like more votes on Sherlock and Watson

Idk how many there are currently but I still want more

Sure, I don't like their lack of content and mason fishing.

VOTE: Sherlock and Watson

I would like more votes on Sherlock and Watson

Idk how many there are currently but I still want more

Sure, I don't like their lack of content and mason fishing.

VOTE: Sherlock and Watson

Where were they mason fishing? I skimmed a lot and probably missed some posts.

Most people haven't had a lot of useful content to be fair.

Look at their spoiler text. They list off masons.

Can people shut up about the mason/drafting masons talk?

It's an easy and lazy way to be lamist and gauging whether people are able to get past the cognitive load to understand what I'm doing in the game can give me fairly decent townreads and scumreads on a fairly even clip.

I manage a variety of playstyles on different accounts and I guarantee that "playing in a way that makes you feel bored" usually just gets you nightkilled into a loss. Having fun in the game actively goes hand in hand with winning the game.

[humaneatingmonkey]

But man, honestly, your playstyle is not fun at all for a newbie game. It's hella draining. See how 3/4 people have been turned off from this game? You've made the game more difficult than it should be. If you're town, you should reconsider your playstyle.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Sure I can see the appeal of tomfuckery and how fun it could be. I did it as town in some of my games as well. But it turns out it was just fun for me, and not really considerate to other people. I think some of the unconscious vibe I get from wanting to lynch you is just me not wanting you to get away with it as both scum and town. You feel me?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Yooh even picked up on it as being appropriate behavior when he launched into this "I am VT" gambit.

[Kirari Momobami]

I'm not sure I agree that 3/4ths of the game has been turned off. I feel like Yooh only *just* started playing. I don't know what he was doing day 1 but he waited until the last 24 hours to give an indication he even wanted to play the game and now he's dropping wall after all in tunneling me. Objectively speaking, that's a scummy progression. Town generally is more proactive at the start as they try to solve and scum tend to be more reactive when they are pushed, so he is matching that to a T. I'm just... always active, which is why people find it hard to read me.

I actually would have liked to have played today a lot more mellow given the TPR flip since there's certain slots I need more content from and don't want to guide them into content, but being brought to l-1 meant I basically needed to not get lynched.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Claiming Your Role

It is almost always best to not claim your role unless you are at L-1 and have been asked to claim as part of an “intent to hammer.” This is because, as a town power role (“PR”), if you out prematurely, you are likely to be night-killed (“NK’d”). As a Vanilla Townie (“VT”), claiming early helps the mafia team narrow down the setup and possible PR candidates. An exception to this would be if a mafia player claimed your role, claiming early to counter the false claim (“CC”) would out the mafia player, and would be a benefit to the town.

Do not fake claim a power role as town!

While it may help you avoid getting lynched, you might cause a real PR to out themselves by counter claiming - then the mafia will know who the PR is, and you will probably get lynched for lying to town. Feel free to fake a claim as scum, though, if you think it would help.

Everyone, please refer to Elmo's 3rd mod post. This is the appropriate behavior if you're confused.

[Kirari Momobami]

But man, honestly, your playstyle is not fun at all for a newbie game. It's hella draining. See how 3/4 people have been turned off from this game? You've made the game more difficult than it should be. If you're town, you should reconsider your playstyle.

It's certainly not fun when people try to argue I outed PRs because people couldn't be bothered to read any subtext whatsoever into my posts

You're acting like I was going on and on about masons but there has been 9000% the whining about my play compared to what I actually did and it's the whining that makes the game unenjoyable

[humaneatingmonkey]

I said 3 or 4 people. Not 3/4s.