Mini Normal 2132 [Game Over]

[AaronFrost]

Kinda thinking it's just bob and Aloratom? That almost feels too easy though.

bob hard defended the chemist wagon near the end of the day while trying to make a push onto davesaz.

Alora hopped on at the end of day presumably to bus for the towncred. I kind of explained everything wrong with his play already.

VOTE: aloratom

[Morning Tweet]

I thought you were leaning it not being SvS? what are the chances both partners got ran up for the entirety of the day?

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Bussing is right though. i'm inclined to think it's elsewhere than Alo

[AaronFrost]

I was leaning that way until tictac slot flipped red. I also explained that the flip wouldn't change my read on Aloratom.

How do you feel about bob MT?

[AaronFrost]

Chemist1422 (7): Gamma Emerald, Cat Scratch Fever, Hectic, profii, HoldenGolden, Aloratom, SirCakez

Aloratom hopped on last minute

[AaronFrost]

I said earlier I didn't have a read on Alora because I didn't know what was playstyle I think

At this point I'll keep it for self-pres though

VOTE: Chemist

^ There's also this weird post from Chemist regarding Alora

[Morning Tweet]

I was leaning that way until tictac slot flipped red. I also explained that the flip wouldn't change my read on Aloratom.

How do you feel about bob MT?

I kind of.. had trouble interpeting why he didn't want to lynch Chem. What sticks out in my mind specifically is that he said it was 50/50 chances Chem is scum, which is better than 25/75, but he still didn't want to lynch her.

It's weird, but its bob so I can't say 100%. I'm really curious why he thought dave was a stronger lynch, but i fear if I ask he's just going to say "look back at the case"

I said earlier I didn't have a read on Alora because I didn't know what was playstyle I think

At this point I'll keep it for self-pres though

VOTE: Chemist

^ There's also this weird post from Chemist regarding Alora

By saying "Keep it for self-pres", is Chem trying to say she thought Alo was town ? It's a weird post although i dont think it specifically implies SvS, unless im misunderstanding it

[Hectic]

[Gamma, profii, bob] are the looking into pool. I'm gonna join Morning on a dive on Gamma.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

[Hectic]

So, one reason for Misty being so demotivated might have been that Aloratom vs Misty was SvS, and there was no way out of a scum lynch one way or another. However, I would've expected them to bus a little more rather than Aloratom switch vote last minute.

But THEN there is this:

I realized something about the tictac wagon-- I think regardless of tictac's alignment, there's probably scum on it. Okay maybe that's not a super hard deduction to make but bear with me here

I agree with this

VOTE: aaron actually
I'm less certain Chemist is scum here and Aaron is not making me feel good about this wagon

I could go for this.

VOTE: AaronFrost

Aloratom joins the Aaron wagon which kinda suggests he might be trying to create one that isn't him/Misty.

[Hectic]

I could go for this.

VOTE: AaronFrost

You never addressed the reasoning behind this vote, Aloratom.

[Hectic]

3 of us so far think you're not scumhunting.

Pedit @ SirCakez -- no, you're on to something. Joke posting can indeed be cover for fake scumhunting.

That's clearly not all I'm doing though. Dave, why don't you consider 346, 401, 402, or 430 as scumhunting?

Did you look for those posts or do you just have a reference bank of posts to demonstrate your scum hunting prowess

It was a genuine question

profii what are you getting at there?

Probably best to let hectic respond seeing as the post was directed at him

Why did you ask this, profii?

[AaronFrost]

It's weird, but its bob so I can't say 100%. I'm really curious why he thought dave was a stronger lynch, but i fear if I ask he's just going to say "look back at the case"

I don't think his case on dave was all that convincing, I might take a second look at it though. I want to know if he still holds his opinion on him given our new flips.

By saying "Keep it for self-pres", is Chem trying to say she thought Alo was town ? It's a weird post although i dont think it specifically implies SvS, unless im misunderstanding it

I think it is scum indicative for Alora if scum Chem wanted to confuse us or disassociate himself from him.

[AaronFrost]

I realized something about the tictac wagon-- I think regardless of tictac's alignment, there's probably scum on it. Okay maybe that's not a super hard deduction to make but bear with me here

I agree with this

VOTE: aaron actually
I'm less certain Chemist is scum here and Aaron is not making me feel good about this wagon

I could go for this.

VOTE: AaronFrost

Aloratom joins the Aaron wagon which kinda suggests he might be trying to create one that isn't him/Misty.

Yeah that vote looked super opportunistic at the time, even more so now.

Gamma and profii are other options I could look into as well.

[Wake1]

Very, very interesting...

[HoldenGolden]

Another option though is chem just didnt want to provide any associative information at all during day 1 given the likely hood of getting lynched. If they had start giving out reads there would be more ways to directly link people. This makes the lack of an alo read make more sense.

I'm currently not sure after thinking if scum!chem would of offer more of a fight to try and distance them if alo is indeed scum. Wouldnt it make sense to put up some opposition against your scum buddy there?

[HoldenGolden]

Also informed scum jk? Neighborizer enabler?

This is a fun first 13p game so far :p

[Wake1]

I see SirCakez has been shanked.

What is the likelihood we're looking at a 3-man team?

How common is that in a 13-player game?

I'm going to look through Chemist's post history to see if I can suss out some Scum.

[Wake1]

*It's actually extremely important that we decide if this is a 3-man Scumteam or not.

[Wake1]

Also, I called it on tictac early.

However, I totally missed that he had been replaced by Chemist.

[HoldenGolden]

Scum would have to have some sort of 3 man team. Idk balance in step ups like this, but I would assume there is 3.

How common are roles like traitors though typically? How does it change the game wake if there is 3 or 2 scum?

Also I havent consider it till now, but is it also common for there to be 3rd party in a 13p set up? I thought it was >15 above, but the informed part of chems pm makes me now skeptical

[Wake1]

IF my memory serves, we no longer do 3rd party Scum in 13-player Normals. I could be wrong though. I thought they did away with Multiball in Mini Normals.

[Wake1]

Profii, what did you do last Night?

[Adorable]

tictac/Chemist didn't get in a 1vs1 with anyone. A scum lynch who doesn't get in a 1vs1 with anyone is always hard for me to figure out who their scum buddies could be. Alora was the counter wagon to Chemist and do you guys think scum tried to make a counter wagon? I recall on 2 of my completed games when there was a wagon one one of the scum players they made a second wagon.

[Aloratom]

I thought you were leaning it not being SvS? what are the chances both partners got ran up for the entirety of the day?

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Bussing is right though. i'm inclined to think it's elsewhere than Alo

You think there are two mafia?

[Wake1]

I thought you were leaning it not being SvS? what are the chances both partners got ran up for the entirety of the day?

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Bussing is right though. i'm inclined to think it's elsewhere than Alo

You think there are two mafia?

This.

[Wake1]

Morning Tweet, what'd you do last Night?