Newbie 1996: GAME OVER

[Kirari Momobami]

You have a 50% inno and you're pre-flipping me red while accusing me of open wolfing

Meanwhile, you have told me "not to play newbie games", said you won't feel bad if you lose the game lynching me, and are pre-flipping me red in VCA because you're so upset... because why?

I had you as town, I thought you had me as town, you wanted Aloratom, I thought clidd was tpr, I thought 3B as town, I thought who was town, and Aloratom was willing to sheep Monkey at EoD to push me which if I had been forced to claim makes it *more* likely a tpr gets killed

and I'm "open wolfing"

Seriously, YOU should not be playing on this site dude if you're going to try to guilt trip me over my play this game

[Kirari Momobami]

[gifv]

-hammered aloratom when he identified willingness to push the one slot I 100% know is town (myself) after I had declared intent and he had claimed

+

For gamestate, Alora was easily the next best thing after a redflip, and continuing to drag out the day would only risk *outing more town power*.

does not compute from a townie perspective.

That does compute.

If he pushes me to claim and I claim vanilla, then scum have a lowered PoE because more VTs have claimed

If I counter-push Monkey and he isn't scum but instead claims TPR then I've outed town power instead of taking a VT lynch

You're acting like being willing to hammer a claimed VT on day 1 is "open wolfing" and to that I have to say -- no, it isn't. You're wrong. And you're extremely toxic for trying to guilt trip me for an entirely reasonable course of action.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I mean Kirari was in denial that the InWho22's reactions on her claims were non-TPR indicative. But grabs a quote from clidd that's the least TPR-charged of all reactions, and calls it TPR-indicative.

I think there's a good chance InWho22 jailkept Kirari. He did say if Kirari hammered, it would look bad.

[clidd]

Note¹: The way Yooh reacted during the discussion with Kirari is towny.

Can you explain this more cli2d when you get a chance btw?

Yes, it's here:

999 -> I feel that his pride was partially hurt by the need to answer each fragment of Kirari's text. This type of formatting is very common when a player feels wronged (in my perception).

1014/1064 -> If you notice this sequence, it makes a progression from a "serious" instance to an instance with a certain "debauchery" index as the responses advance. I theorize that as his reading continued on Kirari's ISO, his annoyance evolved into irony, almost as if he thought what he was reading was absurd. I suppose

Town!Holden

makes more sense here, considering that

Scum!Holden

would know that his own reasoning is false, so he wouldn’t show that he was offended by Kirari’s accusations.

1073/1076/1078/1079-> Sporadic reaction, emotional index. Critical irritation.

Evidently, these are observations on an emotional level. Rationally speaking, we could argue that this type of thing can be manufactured, but I believe that the intensity of the mix between *logical response* and *emotional action* are indications of an individual feeling uncomfortable with something unfair.

[Kirari Momobami]

I'm probably not helping because what you need to do right now is calm down and I am definitely not going to be able to make you do that because you've already crossed multiple lines of acceptable play

[Kirari Momobami]

I think there's a good chance InWho22 jailkept Kirari. He did say if Kirari hammered, it would look bad.

I agree I'm a likely jailkeep target but all that tells us is that tracking me was an unfortunate choice, statistically speaking I'm still the least likely spot to be scum outside of the un cc'd tracker.

I don't get why clidd thinks softing mason is "dangerous" if he has no knowledge about the gamestate or isn't at least considering fakeclaiming TPR though

[LuckyLuciano]

I mean Kirari was in denial that the InWho22's reactions on her claims were non-TPR indicative. But grabs a quote from clidd that's the least TPR-charged of all reactions, and calls it TPR-indicative.

I think there's a good chance InWho22 jailkept Kirari. He did say if Kirari hammered, it would look bad.

If he jailkept Kirari then that still doesn't clear Kirari of being goon. In fact, it's more likely for Kirari to be goon than MPR, independent of my results, based on his play D1.

[clidd]

I think there's a good chance InWho22 jailkept Kirari. He did say if Kirari hammered, it would look bad.

I agree I'm a likely jailkeep target but all that tells us is that tracking me was an unfortunate choice, statistically speaking I'm still the least likely spot to be scum outside of the un cc'd tracker.

I don't get why clidd thinks softing mason is "dangerous" if he has no knowledge about the gamestate or isn't at least considering fakeclaiming TPR though

Dangerous in the sense that

"you can be misunderstood by this action and induce great suspicions''

.

[clidd]

Something is wrong.

[humaneatingmonkey]

If roleblocker can multi-task, I think there's a world in which he would perform both actions to help clear his buddy off a track. But then again, he would not be able to fakeclaim TPR if he visited two people in one night.

[humaneatingmonkey]

@MOD can roleblocker multi-task even if his buddy is alive?

[clidd]

I believe that for the duration of D2, Kirari surpassed the statistical margin of the number of posts that she should be able to type as scum.

This implies a greater interest in this game, why ?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Uhm, because she's top priority lynch of the day?

[Kirari Momobami]

Something is wrong.

The tracker just claimed an inno on day 2 with no votes on him because he wanted to showcase good town play, yeah I think I can agree

[LuckyLuciano]

Roleblocker in the #A setup both roleblocks and kill the same target every night until there is no chance of a living Jailkeeper, because RB precedes JK. Is this really that controversial?

[Yooh]

Spoiler: About my proposal in my PoV

I know my proposal has a lot of downside, but if you let me and Kirari somehow alive to D3 and we have mislynch today, we're just gonna push each other again with the same reason. The problem, I scum-lock Kirari already right now and Kirari always scum-read everything I post. See what I mean? If we're both town, it means the last 3 town somehow must find and agree someone as mafia and try to convincing one of us to vote that guy is one of our mafia partner.

I'm not asking you guys to fully sheeping one of wagon. I rather you guys to have a proper reason why you choose the wagon, not like in D1, but in this case you choose 2 of us. If somehow Kirari's not claiming and you guys still lynching me, at least you guys will know Kirari's claim in D3 (because it is LyLo) and why I propose this in first place. Without this proposal, if one of us lynched and we're both town, then both mafias gonna use it as a reason to vote us. We're fucked up already as town.

At least this proposal makes 1v1 for me with Kirari in D2. I'm fine with that as town because I'm tired already and I already scum-lock in Kirari.

This proposal only have good side for scum when both of us are town, (yes, this proposal is bad if Kirari is scum also) if this proposal is no good for everyone, it means one of us is scum.

This proposal stays till I'm flip

If this is mafia-Lucky's fakeclaiming Tracker here, you're wonderful, sir.

[clidd]

Uhm, because she's top priority lynch of the day?

Yes, I know. But this game will be used as a meta to read her in the future, so why would she damage her scumgame like that ?

[LuckyLuciano]

Look at Kirari's role fishing day 1, cop and mason. Both are present in the #A setup, which mafia knows to be the case because they have an RB. Day 2, both mafia and TPR know it's 1A because of the jailkeeper flip. He fishes again by implying there could be a friendly neighbor. TPR knows this isn't true, and he knows the TPR knows this isn't true. Do you think that it's more likely that Kirari's fishing attempts come from a position of knowledge, or that he accidentally, as town, role fished in a way that perfectly aligns with mafia knowledge at each state of the game?

[Kirari Momobami]

An inno he wants to lynch!

But he's going to put me on "ignore" because he's feeling so good about his "spam the thread for 3 pages day 1 so he can mislynch town", boy yeah this sure is a learning experience for me

>identifies LL as town despite pushing me, TWICE
>push back on my own mislynch
>but I'm "open-wolfing as town"

There's words I can say for LL right now that would get me a warning, like I should be excited to be sorting clidd finally now that I don't have to be afraid of outing him as PR and all I feel is that this site is pointless since no one knows how to play the game without resorting to toxicity

[LuckyLuciano]

♪Another win
They don't want me to have another win
So I ima make sure I get another win♪

VOTE: Holden L-2, if the next 2 posts are votes for Holden and we lolhammer in 5 posts flat, this game will have been worth it for the memes alone.

WRT me possibly fake-claiming. My opening post was a breadcrumb, because DJ Khaled drops those sick

tracks

.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Uhm, because she's top priority lynch of the day?

Yes, I know. But this game will be used as a meta to read her in the future, so why would she damage her scumgame like that ?

so she can say that her number of posts isn't indictive of whether or not she's scum? because you're saying here right now that she couldn't be scum because she has exceeded her scum-quota of posts. that means she's burdened with a lower post count meta as scum.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I believe LL's claim because TPRs want the game to end fast so they can use their PRs to solve the game. This is why I townread him towards the end of the game.

[LuckyLuciano]

@Clidd, I don't think most players care about people meta reading their ongoing games in the future as much as you think they do.

[LuckyLuciano]

I always want D1 to end fast, independent of my role or alignment. I hate D1.

[humaneatingmonkey]

EBWOP: the day to end fast