Newbie 1996: GAME OVER

Kirari Momobami · Post Post #1225 (ISO) » Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:14 pm

The issue here is that everyone in the game seems like they have significantly more reasons to be town than clidd but I'd be a massive hypocrite if I started pre-flipping him

3B/HEM would I guess be the "no clidd scumteam" in which case HEM has spent a fair amount of time soft-bussing/distancing

humaneatingmonkey · Post Post #1226 (ISO) » Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:15 pm

scum!Kirari D3 scenario: I will always lynch 3b. We win.

town!Kirari D3 scenarios (LL always dies):
S1 > 3b/HG - scum ML pool: {clidd, Yooh, monkey}
S2 > 3b/clidd - scum ML pool: {HG, Yooh, monkey}
S3 > 3b/Yooh - scum ML pool: {HG, clidd, monkey}
S4 > 3b/monkey - scum ML pool: {HG, clidd, Yooh}
S5 > HG/clidd - scum ML pool: {3b, Yooh, monkey}
S6 > HG/Yooh - scum ML pool: {3b, clidd, monkey}
S7 > HG/monkey - scum ML pool: {3b, clidd, Yooh}
S8 > clidd/Yooh - scum ML pool: {3b, HG, monkey}
S9 > clidd/monkey - scum ML pool: {3b, HG, Yooh}
S10 > Yooh/monkey - scum ML pool: {3b, HG, clidd}

Choose your own adventure.

humaneatingmonkey · Post Post #1227 (ISO) » Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:15 pm

oh wow we were doing the same thing

Kirari Momobami · Post Post #1228 (ISO) » Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:16 pm

This would make the "why are you townreading this, you should be scumreading 3b" stuff TMI from HEM which I guess I don't hate, it also would require 3b's "let's lynch someone already" to come from scum on day 1 which would be... uhh unusual

I feel like none of those solves are ideal tbh, but I do really think clidd is a very high % hit now

clidd · Post Post #1229 (ISO) » Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:16 pm

Kirari Momobami · Post Post #1230 (ISO) » Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:16 pm

In post 1227, humaneatingmonkey wrote:oh wow we were doing the same thing

yee

a) what do you think of clidd/3B?
b) what do you think the likelihood that Holden hard white knighted me today as scum is?

clidd · Post Post #1231 (ISO) » Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:17 pm

My metaread is correct, im not surprised.

Kirari Momobami · Post Post #1232 (ISO) » Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:17 pm

I still don't really feel good removing yooh from PoE for his massive AtE dump even if it's like... at least kinda hard to see that coming from scum

I do think this game gets a lot more readable with clidd redflip tho

LuckyLuciano · Post Post #1233 (ISO) » Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:20 pm

In post 1231, clidd wrote:My metaread is correct, im not surprised.

Care to elaborate?

clidd · Post Post #1234 (ISO) » Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:21 pm

Also: Kirari, I think you're overestimating me, in this game I played with low attention/energy, so I'm not being the player you expected.

Kirari Momobami · Post Post #1235 (ISO) » Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:21 pm

I feel like clidd wants to say stuff and I think I need to move away from this game for the night for blood pressure actually this time

I REALLY wanted to earlier and then LL came in.

BTW roleclaiming and pushing a lynch on someone 1 hour and 20 minutes after they say they'd like to take a break from the game is not a good way to get an interaction with someone when they're in a good mood or on an even keel

Kirari Momobami · Post Post #1236 (ISO) » Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:22 pm

In post 1234, clidd wrote:Also: Kirari, I think you're overestimating me, in this game I played with low attention/energy, so I'm not being the player you expected.

well town up and solve

Here, I'll promise (expired on 2020-04-22 11:22:16) of me not posting since that seems to be what everyone wants, including me

clidd · Post Post #1237 (ISO) » Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:25 pm

Well, if you're town, I think I have good chances of being lynched tomorrow by having a null ISO.

No pressure then. It's like "solve it or you lose".

clidd · Post Post #1238 (ISO) » Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:31 pm

In post 1233, LuckyLuciano wrote:
In post 1231, clidd wrote:My metaread is correct, im not surprised.
Care to elaborate?

Yes, I will do it tomorrow. I need to think right now.

humaneatingmonkey · Post Post #1239 (ISO) » Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:43 pm

S1 > 3b/HG - scum ML pool: {clidd, Yooh, monkey}
S2 > 3b/clidd - scum ML pool: {HG, Yooh, monkey}
S3 > 3b/Yooh - scum ML pool: {HG, clidd, monkey}

S4 > 3b/monkey - scum ML pool: {HG, clidd, Yooh}

S5 > HG/clidd - scum ML pool: {3b, Yooh, monkey}
S6 > HG/Yooh - scum ML pool: {3b, clidd, monkey}

S7 > HG/monkey - scum ML pool: {3b, clidd, Yooh}

S8 > clidd/Yooh - scum ML pool: {3b, HG, monkey}

S9 > clidd/monkey - scum ML pool: {3b, HG, Yooh}

S10 > Yooh/monkey - scum ML pool: {3b, HG, clidd}

I'm just gonna go ahead and remove myself from the list.

I can't eliminate Yooh from the pool because it might be a tactic to draw out the tracker. I must have missed it, but I don't know how it became about you being a PR when it wasn't the point raised (it was you around Alo's wagon.) And I think that if it's Yooh and anyone else not 3b, without a tracker, they would have won the game. My problem with that is I don't think Yooh is scum from their posts (tone read). Yooh could easily just be selling us the performance of a lifetime.

I don't think I'm giving 3b a fair chance since I lock-scummed him too early for his D1 performance. I think I've ignored most of his D2 posts, and that's why I need to re-read the thread with the exact purpose of getting a town!3bounty perspective.

Same goes for all. I think I need to re-read the thread already and stop procrastinating. Hopefully within this day phase.

LuckyLuciano · Post Post #1240 (ISO) » Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:44 pm

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LuckyLuciano · Post Post #1241 (ISO) » Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:44 pm

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LuckyLuciano · Post Post #1242 (ISO) » Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:46 pm

There's enough between HEM and Kirari day 1 to assume they are not SvS. I might entertain scum!Yooh. I think I'm going to fully pre-flip for every possible solve and see which one makes the most sense, something I typically wait until LYLO to do. Before that, I'm going to look at the day 2 VCA.

clidd · Post Post #1243 (ISO) » Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:49 pm

Luciano, help me. Do a solve without Scum!Kirari, Monkey and Clidd. I need your pov on this theory.

LuckyLuciano · Post Post #1244 (ISO) » Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:52 pm

Any solve from my PoV that doesn't involve Scum!Kirari is going to be forced and necessitate confbiasing reads because 1192.

clidd · Post Post #1245 (ISO) » Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:54 pm

It's just theory, don't worry. Do it.

clidd · Post Post #1246 (ISO) » Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:56 pm

I believe that I will have to do an intense research with the remaining day time. If Kirari is scum, I'll look stupid, but ok.

LuckyLuciano · Post Post #1247 (ISO) » Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:57 pm

In post 1245, clidd wrote:It's just theory, don't worry. Do it.

If I have energy left for this game after I finish working out a solve that actually has a chance of being correct, sure.

LuckyLuciano · Post Post #1248 (ISO) » Tue Apr 21, 2020 5:06 pm

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LuckyLuciano · Post Post #1249 (ISO) » Tue Apr 21, 2020 5:06 pm

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