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[The Limit Does Not Exist]

Yeah this is pretty much the biggest redflag imo, this is like trying to defend yourself in the worst way possible? I don't know.

Exactly. Why would you try to defend yourself in the worst way possible?

-Smart

[GuiltyLion]

yah I just saw it as a deflection, possibly rooted in awareness that the original questions felt forced. "hey you can't push me for that, I'm just asking

friendly questions

". I guess in writing this out though it might comes down to differing interpretations of tone.

p-edit: oh you're going the 'too scummy to be scum' route I guess

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

Okay but in all seriousness I'm not assuming scum are hypercalculating. I'm just assuming they think before they speak.

-Smart

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

p-edit: oh you're going the 'too scummy to be scum' route I guess

I guess that's the type of argument that you could say I'm making. But really it's just that it's superficially scummy-looking.

-Smart

[GuiltyLion]

I just wished he were more indignant. I accused him! Why would he be so willing to acknowledge that they were weak questions but then also suggest that I'm a good vote because I pushed him on it, it also feels like there's dissonance there.

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

I haven't hydra'd in a while. Having to sign each post when they're all one-liners is annoying

-Smart

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

I just wished he were more indignant. I accused him! Why would he be so willing to acknowledge that they were weak questions but then also suggest that I'm a good vote because I pushed him on it, it also feels like there's dissonance there.

So it sounds like you don't like his response because it was unexpected?

-Smart

[Auro]

ehhh you know it's not a huge difference I guess, and I wasn't saying that because I'm scared of scum!you in particular, it's more just I felt I had town!pings from those slots bc they were doing things that I didn't find natural to fake as scum, whereas with your posts I was finding myself more agreeing with them than thinking "oh yeah scum isn't likely to post this".

It's not a major thing and if you pushed me further on it I dunno if I'd be able to convincingly show exactly why the read felt different, was mostly operating off of my first gut impression reading through.

Yes, it's not not a huge difference functionally - that's why I found that interesting. Even after your explanation that you're not really scared of scum!me I find the usage of the word "paranoia" a little weird coming from town, to be honest.

Can you point to anything Skitter did that you find unnatural to fake as scum?

I'll let the acryon thing play out a little more. I find the name slightly disturbing as a misspelling of crayon.

{Nom, Smart and Smarter, Karnage} --> I think all three of these should be on the wagon right now.
{Skitter, GuiltyLion} --> Should not participate in the final lynch.

[GuiltyLion]

@Smart - it doesn't fit a range of responses that I would expect from town, no

[Auro]

I think calling what I'm doing "scumhunting" at all would be an overstatement. I'm just asking some friendly questions. My scumhunting is a bit rusty, but we'll get there.

I like keeping my vote on you though frankly.

@GuiltyLion: Is it implied anywhere in his posts that he found you a good vote because you pushed him on it? The quoted part does not imply that, for me. Perhaps I missed it.
Do you think he should have unvoted you because he acknowledged your attack had some merit to it?

[GuiltyLion]

Can you point to anything Skitter did that you find unnatural to fake as scum?

she opened by giving townreads on you and Karnage based off of your opening posts, then further also gave reason to townread Eve in 56, that's narrowing her lynchpool very quickly and generally I think a decent indicator of town when done in the way she did, bringing novel townreads ASAP (as opposed to agreeing with consensus townreads). I also liked her acryon vote/timing, it was the right diagnosis of which slot needed pressure the most IMO.

I guess "unnatural" was a strong way to phrase that but in general she strikes me as building a town bloc and focusing on areas that are likely to draw out AI info.

why shouldn't skitter get to be on a lynch? you said you were townreading her?

[Auro]

I was weakly townreading her for similar reasons - but it's because Nomnomnom scumreads her, and Skitter has a reputation for being hard to read.
If Nom townreads Skitter / wants Skitter to be on the wagon, I would be fine with it too.

[Auro]

Off-topic: GuiltyLion, may I clean up the white space in your avatar and make it transparent, and post a link here?

[GuiltyLion]

@GuiltyLion: Is it implied anywhere in his posts that he found you a good vote because you pushed him on it? The quoted part does not imply that, for me. Perhaps I missed it.
Do you think he should have unvoted you because he acknowledged your attack had some merit to it?

he directly responded to me pushing him and then said he liked keeping his vote there, I didn't think it's a stretch to assume those things are related. If he has other reasons for voting me then those are absent from his post.

Your other question feels a bit leading - generally I don't like it when anybody is voting me, as a rule. If he himself can see that his post didn't look like scumhunting then he needs to give more explanation as to whether and/or why he finds me suspicious for calling that out.

p-edit - yes actually I'd love that lol

[northsidegal]

Votecount 1.2

Target	Wagon
acryon (3)	skitter30 (104), GuiltyLion (106), nomnomnom (108)
GuiltyLion (2)	The Limit Does Not Exist (5), acryon (15)
The Limit Does Not Exist (2)	SausasaurusRex (6), Auro (42)
nomnomnom (2)	Karnage (26), Eve (118)
Eve (1)	Allomancer (14)
Karnage (1)	BBmolla (7)
Not Voting (0)

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. The Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2020-05-03 00:18:59).

[Auro]

https://imgur.com/Mk18GSE
Pretty hard around the borders haha

I'll respond to the actual stuff in a bit.

[Auro]

I don't think that'll look good because of the borders being icky

[BBmolla]

Sorry I’ve been inactive. I’m having an off day. I’ll be back tomorrow.

[Karnage]

Something_Smart, have you not considered that there is a mechanical reason to want to be on the wagon as town?
To take up a slot that scum could have taken; thus forcing them to stay off of it?

Not gonna lie this is something I hadn't thought of until this post but it makes a ton of sense

[Karnage]

I don't see scum!acryon. I looked through his ISO and it looks fine to me.

[acryon]

Responding to some things overnight first and then I'll have some other thoughts.

I like keeping my vote on you though frankly.

what don't you like about gl here?

I think trying to call someone out for "fake scumhunting" with my extremely minimal body of work seemed disingenuous.

Just wanted to make sure that was the case. And when he shot back, you kind of fluffed in response.

if it wasn't the case wouldn't i have called her out on that claim?
not sure where you're seeing fluffing ?

Maybe, maybe you wouldn't want to get into it. I was more interested in seeing her backup that claim. Admittedly I wanted to ask that question a bit earlier but got tied up and came back later to ask it (where it was maybe less releveant).

Re: Fluffing -- She went from questioning you to fluffing you here (ironically while talking about fluffing).

(also i'm a she btw)

Sorry about that. Won't make the mistake again!

so like i have no idea why you'd want to be doing that as town
but like i can see some benefits to doing that as scum

pedit that's the flippant part

This and the few posts before it feel a bit like playing dumb for someone with so much experience.

Yeah this is pretty much the biggest redflag imo, this is like trying to defend yourself in the worst way possible? I don't know.

Exactly. Why would you try to defend yourself in the worst way possible?

-Smart

Now my intelligence is going to be insulted if nomnom keeps her vote on me.

I just wished he were more indignant. I accused him! Why would he be so willing to acknowledge that they were weak questions but then also suggest that I'm a good vote because I pushed him on it, it also feels like there's dissonance there.

Nothing to be indignant about. I think you're wrong and could possibly have bad intentions, but most people are wrong right now (including me).

I'll let the acryon thing play out a little more. I find the name slightly disturbing as a misspelling of crayon.

This was my first WoW name. I thought it sounded like a cool fantasy name, but quickly realized I should've spelled it differently when everyone in my guild called me crayon...

I think calling what I'm doing "scumhunting" at all would be an overstatement. I'm just asking some friendly questions. My scumhunting is a bit rusty, but we'll get there.

I like keeping my vote on you though frankly.

@GuiltyLion: Is it implied anywhere in his posts that he found you a good vote because you pushed him on it? The quoted part does not imply that, for me. Perhaps I missed it.
Do you think he should have unvoted you because he acknowledged your attack had some merit to it?

No--see answer to Skitter up top.

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

I would like to see more from the acryon slot, I don’t think there’s enough to really make a read yet.

Please correct me if I’m wrong here since my theory skills leave something to be desired - in terms of theory, I think we can’t leave Eve alive when (if) we get to LYLO. I can’t imagine she’ll be the NK unless scum believes her claim, as there’s just enough WIFOM there to produce confusion for us. Not saying she needs to be the lynch today (although I’d be okay with it if we can’t compromise anywhere else), but I do think she needs to be lynched before LYLO. Thoughts?

I’m actually pretty interested in Allomancer as well. He’s only been in thread 3 times and all of those times it was to talk about an “RVS” vote

- Smarter

Pedit: acryon has posted more! I’ll read and post my thoughts on that

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

Re: Fluffing -- She went from questioning you to fluffing you here (ironically while talking about fluffing).

It doesn’t seem like the link is going to a post, what’s the post # for this

- Smarter

[acryon]

A few thoughts.

I like Eve.

I mostly liked skitter until that back and forth with Eve. Just feels really odd.

Auro’s thought process feels town.

142 from GuiltyLion doesn’t feel great. I’m always wary of people trying to paint a big picture based on a post or two early on. RVS stage is far from useless, but it typically doesn’t lead to these kinds of revelations. I don’t love voting someone whose voting me because of the drama, but I’m keeping my vote here.

Agree with nomnom on second part of 149.

p.edit:

Re: Fluffing -- She went from questioning you to fluffing you here (ironically while talking about fluffing).

It doesn’t seem like the link is going to a post, what’s the post # for this

- Smarter

Dang. Apparently forgot how to do that right. 85

[acryon]

Also I'm basically only available to play during the day on weekdays, so you'll likely see some stretches of silence from me, but I'll always try to make sure I cover what I missed when I am back.