Mini Normal 2125: Chiptune Mafia [The End]

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VC 4.2

Aloratom (2):

Taly, Churros

Churros (1):

eyestott

Not Voting:

Paragon, Aloratom

With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch.

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-04-26 17:32:12)

[eyestott]

I’m going to bed. Looking forward to speaking with you Alo.

[Paragon]

LOL

I thought novice meant "fails if you target mafia" eek

Why/when did you decide to look this up?

[Taly]

You know,

Eye

, I have a lot of thoughts with your progression here

i think

para

is probably always town here, town in respect to

churros

and town in respect to

eye

i dont think

Eye/Churros

is SvS or TvT

PoE leads to this

VOTE: Aloratom

i think para is probably always town here, town in respect to churros and town in respect to eye

like, i dont think

churros/eye/even alo

-scum in any reality gamethrow to

para

unless he's town

I’m more okay with that vote now than when I first saw the vote. I agree that Taly/Alo is TvS, so it’s safe to put a vote there.
I don’t think you’re going to achieve an Alo vote today unless you can make me more sure of Alo than Churros

I9 hours cause I’m going to bed

P-edit: that last post made no sense to me. Can you rephrase it without slang?

P-edit: that last post made no sense to me. Can you rephrase it without slang?

regardless of claim validity, it is such a ballsy and atypical move for

alo/churros/eye

-scum (in their respective realities) to place emphasis on

para's

opinion if he were scum

because

para

probably would've made a sound decision as scum with the presented information, he has all the reason to

hes literally in a gamestate where he isnt a threat of a lynch regardless of what happens AND people want him to agree with them, so he must have both town accurately reading him AND scum trying to convince him of their narrative.

so, i think gamestate points to

para

-town here, now that i think about it.

VOTE: Alo

Let's just end this day already at least

Eye feel free to hammer this if it's Taly + Eye and I'm a silly person while paragon is GOAT

If Taly is town I'm nomming myself as GOAT though

Not hammering. I know for a fact that you’re scum churros, otherwise this day would’ve ended sooner.
Paragon, don’t you dare hammer Alo. This vote stays between churros and myself.

To clarify; this is Exactly the play that Scum Taly/Churros would make to end this day.

You went from

"I agree that

Taly/Alo

is TvS so a vote is good there"

to

"This is the exact play

Taly/Churros

-scum were going to do"

the moment

Churros

followed the vote.

Not only is that inconsistent to how we would've performed a lynch wagon as scum (it would've begun much sooner than 4 days from deadline), but it's also inconsistent in how you read

Alo

and I.

You address that my SINGULAR vote could be town (unless I'm completely misreading), and there's no issue because

"

Alo

could be scum as well"

But the whole narrative you see my posts depends on what

Churros

does...

I'm scum with him because HE votes, not because of MY vote onto

ALO

1)

You acknowledge credibility to an

Alo

push but reserve yourself from following it, more or less agree with me because

"I'm non-zero likelihood of being town"

2798

2)

But all of that is invalidated ONLY because your scumread,

Churros

, felt the same.

You keep waffling on having an unclear TvS read on

Alo/Me

, but you switch tunes to

Taly/Churros

is scum whenever

Alo

gets L-1'd.

It doesn't seem like you think I'm ever town here if how you view me is so fickle and based on ANOTHER player's actions. It's very tunnel-minded regarding how you treat

Churros

, and fake in how you sort me.
It doesn't seem like you could think

Alo

is potential scum because you're defending him here, in a VERY subtle manner. You're making the blanket assertion that it's a scum-motivated move to EVER vote

Alo

here, despite noticing that there should be suspicion there.

None of this reads as genuine to me, and I really need you to dispel your thought process.

[Taly]

you know what

im just going to post GIFs from this point onward and only 1/3 of every posts will contain words

[eyestott]

Huge family emergency, unsure how long this will take to resolve.

[Aloratom]

Hope it all works out, eyestott.

[Aloratom]

I'm at L-1. I don't know why, and, sorry but I don't really care right now. I'm tired of this game. I'm pushing reading what happened today off until tomorrow. Taly, Paragon, please don't hammer me yet.

[eyestott]

LOL

I thought novice meant "fails if you target mafia" eek

Why/when did you decide to look this up?

I like looking at the new bans and why they happen
Someone has their mod experience revoked, so I looked st the game they abandoned and there were two novice trackers (and a normal tracker too lol), and saw the role pm.

[eyestott]

You know,

Eye

, I have a lot of thoughts with your progression here

i think

para

is probably always town here, town in respect to

churros

and town in respect to

eye

i dont think

Eye/Churros

is SvS or TvT

PoE leads to this

VOTE: Aloratom

i think para is probably always town here, town in respect to churros and town in respect to eye

like, i dont think

churros/eye/even alo

-scum in any reality gamethrow to

para

unless he's town

I’m more okay with that vote now than when I first saw the vote. I agree that Taly/Alo is TvS, so it’s safe to put a vote there.
I don’t think you’re going to achieve an Alo vote today unless you can make me more sure of Alo than Churros

I9 hours cause I’m going to bed

P-edit: that last post made no sense to me. Can you rephrase it without slang?

P-edit: that last post made no sense to me. Can you rephrase it without slang?

regardless of claim validity, it is such a ballsy and atypical move for

alo/churros/eye

-scum (in their respective realities) to place emphasis on

para's

opinion if he were scum

because

para

probably would've made a sound decision as scum with the presented information, he has all the reason to

hes literally in a gamestate where he isnt a threat of a lynch regardless of what happens AND people want him to agree with them, so he must have both town accurately reading him AND scum trying to convince him of their narrative.

so, i think gamestate points to

para

-town here, now that i think about it.

VOTE: Alo

Let's just end this day already at least

Eye feel free to hammer this if it's Taly + Eye and I'm a silly person while paragon is GOAT

If Taly is town I'm nomming myself as GOAT though

Not hammering. I know for a fact that you’re scum churros, otherwise this day would’ve ended sooner.
Paragon, don’t you dare hammer Alo. This vote stays between churros and myself.

To clarify; this is Exactly the play that Scum Taly/Churros would make to end this day.

You went from

"I agree that

Taly/Alo

is TvS so a vote is good there"

to

"This is the exact play

Taly/Churros

-scum were going to do"

the moment

Churros

followed the vote.

Not only is that inconsistent to how we would've performed a lynch wagon as scum (it would've begun much sooner than 4 days from deadline), but it's also inconsistent in how you read

Alo

and I.

You address that my SINGULAR vote could be town (unless I'm completely misreading), and there's no issue because

"

Alo

could be scum as well"

But the whole narrative you see my posts depends on what

Churros

does...

I'm scum with him because HE votes, not because of MY vote onto

ALO

1)

You acknowledge credibility to an

Alo

push but reserve yourself from following it, more or less agree with me because

"I'm non-zero likelihood of being town"

2798

2)

But all of that is invalidated ONLY because your scumread,

Churros

, felt the same.

You keep waffling on having an unclear TvS read on

Alo/Me

, but you switch tunes to

Taly/Churros

is scum whenever

Alo

gets L-1'd.

It doesn't seem like you think I'm ever town here if how you view me is so fickle and based on ANOTHER player's actions. It's very tunnel-minded regarding how you treat

Churros

, and fake in how you sort me.
It doesn't seem like you could think

Alo

is potential scum because you're defending him here, in a VERY subtle manner. You're making the blanket assertion that it's a scum-motivated move to EVER vote

Alo

here, despite noticing that there should be suspicion there.

None of this reads as genuine to me, and I really need you to dispel your thought process.

So, let’s say I spot you putting some hydrogen on a sleeping person. It’s not inherently scummy to do.
But then, immediately afterwords, someone dumps some chlorine on them. It still needs water to kill them, but because of the context, it changes the scumminess of both actions, because it makes it seem premeditated


That’s kinda what I’m saying here. You voting Alo is slightly counterproductive but not alignment indicative (because there’s already a 1v1 going on).
However, Churros moving his vote from someone who is definitely the opposite alignment to him to someone who only might be doesn’t make sense unless is comes from scum, and makes it seem like you two might be trying to get a compromise lynch through.

[eyestott]

The point is, I will morning be voting you or Alo today. I am keeping my vote right where it is. I can use my investigation to sort you and Alo for me.

[eyestott]

So, Taly. How about I just treat you and Alo as town? Let’s get a Churros lynch through please. We can lynch Alo tomorrow if I get a negative result on him.

[eyestott]

I'm at L-1. I don't know why, and, sorry but I don't really care right now. I'm tired of this game. I'm pushing reading what happened today off until tomorrow. Taly, Paragon, please don't hammer me yet.

It’s not Churros and I that are voting you, it’s Churros and Taly. From your perspective, they must be both be scum, right? Otherwise if either Para or I were scum, we’d have hammered you. Have you already realised this?

[Taly]

You know,

Eye

, I have a lot of thoughts with your progression here

i think

para

is probably always town here, town in respect to

churros

and town in respect to

eye

i dont think

Eye/Churros

is SvS or TvT

PoE leads to this

VOTE: Aloratom

i think para is probably always town here, town in respect to churros and town in respect to eye

like, i dont think

churros/eye/even alo

-scum in any reality gamethrow to

para

unless he's town

I’m more okay with that vote now than when I first saw the vote. I agree that Taly/Alo is TvS, so it’s safe to put a vote there.
I don’t think you’re going to achieve an Alo vote today unless you can make me more sure of Alo than Churros

I9 hours cause I’m going to bed

P-edit: that last post made no sense to me. Can you rephrase it without slang?

P-edit: that last post made no sense to me. Can you rephrase it without slang?

regardless of claim validity, it is such a ballsy and atypical move for

alo/churros/eye

-scum (in their respective realities) to place emphasis on

para's

opinion if he were scum

because

para

probably would've made a sound decision as scum with the presented information, he has all the reason to

hes literally in a gamestate where he isnt a threat of a lynch regardless of what happens AND people want him to agree with them, so he must have both town accurately reading him AND scum trying to convince him of their narrative.

so, i think gamestate points to

para

-town here, now that i think about it.

VOTE: Alo

Let's just end this day already at least

Eye feel free to hammer this if it's Taly + Eye and I'm a silly person while paragon is GOAT

If Taly is town I'm nomming myself as GOAT though

Not hammering. I know for a fact that you’re scum churros, otherwise this day would’ve ended sooner.
Paragon, don’t you dare hammer Alo. This vote stays between churros and myself.

To clarify; this is Exactly the play that Scum Taly/Churros would make to end this day.

You went from

"I agree that

Taly/Alo

is TvS so a vote is good there"

to

"This is the exact play

Taly/Churros

-scum were going to do"

the moment

Churros

followed the vote.

Not only is that inconsistent to how we would've performed a lynch wagon as scum (it would've begun much sooner than 4 days from deadline), but it's also inconsistent in how you read

Alo

and I.

You address that my SINGULAR vote could be town (unless I'm completely misreading), and there's no issue because

"

Alo

could be scum as well"

But the whole narrative you see my posts depends on what

Churros

does...

I'm scum with him because HE votes, not because of MY vote onto

ALO

1)

You acknowledge credibility to an

Alo

push but reserve yourself from following it, more or less agree with me because

"I'm non-zero likelihood of being town"

2798

2)

But all of that is invalidated ONLY because your scumread,

Churros

, felt the same.

You keep waffling on having an unclear TvS read on

Alo/Me

, but you switch tunes to

Taly/Churros

is scum whenever

Alo

gets L-1'd.

It doesn't seem like you think I'm ever town here if how you view me is so fickle and based on ANOTHER player's actions. It's very tunnel-minded regarding how you treat

Churros

, and fake in how you sort me.
It doesn't seem like you could think

Alo

is potential scum because you're defending him here, in a VERY subtle manner. You're making the blanket assertion that it's a scum-motivated move to EVER vote

Alo

here, despite noticing that there should be suspicion there.

None of this reads as genuine to me, and I really need you to dispel your thought process.

So, let’s say I spot you putting some hydrogen on a sleeping person. It’s not inherently scummy to do.
But then, immediately afterwords, someone dumps some chlorine on them. It still needs water to kill them, but because of the context, it changes the scumminess of both actions, because it makes it seem premeditated


That’s kinda what I’m saying here. You voting Alo is slightly counterproductive but not alignment indicative (because there’s already a 1v1 going on).
However, Churros moving his vote from someone who is definitely the opposite alignment to him to someone who only might be doesn’t make sense unless is comes from scum, and makes it seem like you two might be trying to get a compromise lynch through.

No, no, no, and no.

You're still making the connection that I'm only scum dependent on

Churros

vote, why don't you entertain

Churros-Alo

here? You're still defending

Alo

without actually mentioning him.

You're still picking apart my reasons for voting

Alo

without actually understanding why I think he could be scum. You're both solving me in POOR faith and doing anything but demanding that I change my vote because you want me to at this point.

The point is, I will morning be voting you or Alo today. I am keeping my vote right where it is. I can use my investigation to sort you and Alo for me.

You already have a non-VT result on me which you've tried to debunk as scum instead of taking my BP claim in good faith.

As scum, all you have to do is claim a VT result on your potential partner

Alo

, and I have nothing to combat you on that.

So, Taly. How about I just treat you and Alo as town? Let’s get a Churros lynch through please. We can lynch Alo tomorrow if I get a negative result on him.

No.

You don't think I'm town, otherwise you wouldn't have just spent a paragraph elaborating why

Churros'

vote indicates me as scum.

I'm at L-1. I don't know why, and, sorry but I don't really care right now. I'm tired of this game. I'm pushing reading what happened today off until tomorrow. Taly, Paragon, please don't hammer me yet.

It’s not Churros and I that are voting you, it’s Churros and Taly. From your perspective, they must be both be scum, right? Otherwise if either Para or I were scum, we’d have hammered you. Have you already realised this?

What happened to thinking I'm town? You're spoonfeeding

Alo

the narrative that

Churros/I

are ALWAYS scum here because we're voting him who - by this same narrative -

Alo

is confidently town, but you can't say that.

You're not assessing any of this fairly and each post you make is a contradiction to the previous.

[Taly]

[Taly]

non-game

Huge family emergency, unsure how long this will take to resolve.

well wishes, man

[Aloratom]

I'm at L-1. I don't know why, and, sorry but I don't really care right now. I'm tired of this game. I'm pushing reading what happened today off until tomorrow. Taly, Paragon, please don't hammer me yet.

It’s not Churros and I that are voting you, it’s Churros and Taly. From your perspective, they must be both be scum, right? Otherwise if either Para or I were scum, we’d have hammered you. Have you already realised this?

I see the votes correctly now.

[Aloratom]

Actually it would be a bit more suspicious than what I had as Paragon, but still less bad than Alo because Eye ignored Taly and handheld Alo in an engagement "explaining" the role.

Either way, from my PoV Taly is confirmed since you didn't hammer either.

Both you and Taly spinning this narrative about Eyestott spoon feeding me. Seriously, if we were scum together don't you think we would have taken care of this in the private thread?

[eyestott]

I’m not sure what I can do to help you understand what I’m saying Taly. I’m trying to explain when things I say are from other people’s perspectives. I can see how;
From TalyTowns perspective, voting Aloratom makes sense, and also how frustrating my attitude might be.
From AloraTown perspective, eyestott and Paragon must be town
From ChurrosTown perspective, moving off of ObvscumEyestott makes no sense when he was not sure Taly was town
From Paragons perspectives this is confusing as hell

Do I need to be more clear when I’m talking from other people’s perspective?

[Aloratom]

Paragon, Alo, take a look at page 49 between Churros and Taly. Do you see what I see?

I looked at this. I guess I need you to explain please.

[Aloratom]

LOL

I thought novice meant "fails if you target mafia" eek

Why/when did you decide to look this up?

I'm not sure of the context or significance of this. Both parts.

[eyestott]

Paragon, Alo, take a look at page 49 between Churros and Taly. Do you see what I see?

I looked at this. I guess I need you to explain please.

It’s mainly that Churros comes in with a controversial vote and refuses to really back it up with justification, like he’s trying to get townie points for having a new perspective
It’s more telling about Churros than Taly

[Aloratom]

LOL

I thought novice meant "fails if you target mafia" eek

Why/when did you decide to look this up?

I'm not sure of the context or significance of this. Both parts.

Never mind. I got it.

[Aloratom]

Both parts.

[Taly]

I'm at L-1. I don't know why, and, sorry but I don't really care right now. I'm tired of this game. I'm pushing reading what happened today off until tomorrow. Taly, Paragon, please don't hammer me yet.

It’s not Churros and I that are voting you, it’s Churros and Taly. From your perspective, they must be both be scum, right? Otherwise if either Para or I were scum, we’d have hammered you. Have you already realised this?

I see the votes correctly now.

lmfao, so in lylo, you take the perspective of the FIRST of 5 people that holds your hand to a conclusion, and now you say

"this is the correct viewpoint"

when it's not suspecting you as scum?

You're not town.

Actually it would be a bit more suspicious than what I had as Paragon, but still less bad than Alo because Eye ignored Taly and handheld Alo in an engagement "explaining" the role.

Either way, from my PoV Taly is confirmed since you didn't hammer either.

Both you and Taly spinning this narrative about Eyestott spoon feeding me. Seriously, if we were scum together don't you think we would have taken care of this in the private thread?

It's obvious that you haven't read the past 15-20 pages, so don't bother replying to my posts-

Oh wait, this assertion wasn't directed at me, but it was ABOUT me. Why is that?

I’m not sure what I can do to help you understand what I’m saying Taly. I’m trying to explain when things I say are from other people’s perspectives. I can see how;
From TalyTowns perspective, voting Aloratom makes sense, and also how frustrating my attitude might be.

Most correct assessment you've had.

From AloraTown perspective, eyestott and Paragon must be town

I disagree completely. Also, why did you spend time telling him

"how his perspective should be"

in 2937 but completely view him through town when he eats this up in 2941?

If you believe I'm town, you should have a much more critical eye on

Alo

here.

From ChurrosTown perspective, moving off of ObvscumEyestott makes no sense when he was not sure Taly was town

OK, I can see your point.

But why can't he have town motivation to vote with someone he views the likeliest town? I understand your assessment here, but I don't follow the thought process that has led to it OR how to translates to your perspective of

Churros-Taly

-scum voting

Alo

as a major likelihood here.

From Paragons perspectives this is confusing as hell

para

should just flip a coin if he doesn't come to a concrete conclusion soon, tbh...

Do I need to be more clear when I’m talking from other people’s perspective?

I understand your perspective a bit better, but I don't understand the view of thinking

Churros

>

Alo

in terms of scum here, especially if you think I'm town and aren't entertaining

Churros/Alo

-scum as a major possibility.