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[Hectic]

Would scum Chemist leave their rvs vote on a scum buddy like that or would scum Chemist leave his rvs vote on Aloratom hoping Aloratom would get lynched

Regarding this point: I could see Misty being afraid that moving his vote off of Aloratom shows Aloratom is more likely to be his buddy since it'd be really strange for Misty to vote anyone other than the only other viable wagon.

Aloratom dodging all the remarks/questions about his AFF vote make me feel a lot worse about him.

[profii]

3 of us so far think you're not scumhunting.

Pedit @ SirCakez -- no, you're on to something. Joke posting can indeed be cover for fake scumhunting.

That's clearly not all I'm doing though. Dave, why don't you consider 346, 401, 402, or 430 as scumhunting?

Did you look for those posts or do you just have a reference bank of posts to demonstrate your scum hunting prowess

It was a genuine question

profii what are you getting at there?

Probably best to let hectic respond seeing as the post was directed at him

Why did you ask this, profii?

I thought it was weird you had 4 examples ready like 6 minutes after the previous post, that seemed quick like you were keeping LAMIST quotes handy.

I pretty much sheeped your point on tictac and we lynched scum so I've disregarded this line of enquiry from my mind

[profii]

*It's actually extremely important that we decide if this is a 3-man Scumteam or not.

3 man scum team is typical

3rd party in 13p goes against the normal rules...


I'm very surprised you arent aware of this

[profii]

Profii, what did you do last Night?

Wow

[profii]

OK cool, have it your way. Not.

I'm a full Town Watcher.

I watched Hectic Night 1.

Both Morning Tweet and Davesaz targeted him.

Both evaded me when called on it.

Christ. This was unnecessary

[profii]

My prediction is that Wake just outed 3 town PRs all in one post lol

Let's not talk about anything more regarding this

Actually I think we should think about it.


Scum JK

watcher
PR1
PR2
Neighborizer (disabled now)

That's a lot for it to all be town I think. I retract my town read on you a little bit for not being open minded about this

[profii]

My prediction is that Wake just outed 3 town PRs all in one post lol

Let's not talk about anything more regarding this

Actually I think we should think about it.


Scum JK

watcher
PR1
PR2
Neighborizer (disabled now)

That's a lot for it to all be town I think. I retract my town read on you a little bit for not being open minded about this

Got up, had shower, engaged brain

I guess PR1 / 2 could be the neighborizor so that's probably why hectic said let's not talk about it. So he can have some of those town points back ... doh, its early

[Morning Tweet]

! ! ! no more setup / PR speculation beyond this point for the love of god ! ! !

[Wake1]

I'm of the mindset that one of those two targeting Hectic is Scum, while someone else (not among Tweet, Dave, and Hectic) is the Scum that killed Cakez.

In a 10:3 game exactly how often does one Scum target another one of their own team members? I don't think it's likely. I do think that would be more likely in a larger multiball game.

ALSO, if one of Morning Tweet or Davesaz flips Scum,

that means the other one is Town

. Unless, of course, anyone here thinks this game is 9:4, which I don't believe whatsoever.

[Hectic]

Now that I think about it, what are the odds 3 town PRs all targeted me last night? One of Morning or Dave could be a scum rolecop/roleblocker.

There's better people to look into right now outside of those 2 for mech reasons though, so no need to claim or talk further about this for now, Morning or Dave.

[AaronFrost]

My prediction is that Wake just outed 3 town PRs all in one post lol

Let's not talk about anything more regarding this

Actually I think we should think about it.

no, we shouldn't, stop pr speccing.

I have my own theories about what prs scum and town might have, but it's best to not talk about it yet.

[AaronFrost]

I'm of the mindset that one of those two targeting Hectic is Scum, while someone else (not among Tweet, Dave, and Hectic) is the Scum that killed Cakez.

Ok

Do you think one of them is scum based off of play or is this just pure speculation? Like do you have any specific reason to believe this?

[AaronFrost]

Less mech talk and more scumhunting ok thanks We can worry about mech stuff later on.

[Wake1]

I'm of the mindset that one of those two targeting Hectic is Scum, while someone else (not among Tweet, Dave, and Hectic) is the Scum that killed Cakez.

Ok

Do you think one of them is scum based off of play or is this just pure speculation? Like do you have any specific reason to believe this?

Do not pretend to be dense with me, Aaron.

How likely do you think it is that 3 Town PRs all targeted Hectic at the same time? Assuming Hectic is Town.

I

know

you understand what I'm saying.

[HoldenGolden]

Wait,

Heretic had a threesome....and didnt invite me?!?

Not cool my dude not cool.

[HoldenGolden]

tictac/Chemist didn't get in a 1vs1 with anyone. A scum lynch who doesn't get in a 1vs1 with anyone is always hard for me to figure out who their scum buddies could be. Alora was the counter wagon to Chemist and do you guys think scum tried to make a counter wagon? I recall on 2 of my completed games when there was a wagon one one of the scum players they made a second wagon.

Hey, Adorable, your avatar is way too overpowered. I talked about that a little in 757, do you see that as an attempt by scum!Aloratom to start a counterwagon?

Chemist1422 (4): Gamma Emerald, Cat Scratch Fever, Hectic, profii
Aloratom (4): Chemist1422, davesaz, AaronFrost, Wake88
AaronFrost (1): Aloratom
Hectic (1): bob3141
profii (1): Morning Tweet
Morning Tweet (0):
Gamma Emerald (0):
HoldenGolden (0):
Cat Scratch Fever (0):
Wake88 (0):
davesaz (0):
SirCakez (0):
bob3141 (0):

Not Voting: HoldenGolden, SirCakez

This is the first vote count I could find where Aloratom first voted Aaron. SirCakez voted Aaron and Aloratom sheeped SirCakez with no explanation to his vote and I never like that which I always find this suspicous. It says here SirCakez was on not voting so he must have unvoted at some point. tictac rvs voted Aloratom and I find it odd the rvs vote was still left on Aloratom. Would scum Chemist leave their rvs vote on a scum buddy like that or would scum Chemist leave his rvs vote on Aloratom hoping Aloratom would get lynched.

That's kinda why I feel chem intentionally didnt say anything to avoid draw associations one way or another, faking the reading on Alo entirely. The main question now is rather or not it was done to shade alo upon flipping red, or to prevent more analysis linking to two together today.

[HoldenGolden]

Also keep in mind that sircake was a enabler @posts like profi.

I wish wake would of sat on the info a bit more till some discussion had started to gague peoples reactions to alo being lynched today, but it's all fine I guess.

As for the watch results themselves, I think everyone should read into it somewhat but from a content standpoint day 1. IE, is there any reason to why to suspect them before the result. Does they play line up pr play etc. Mafia already knows who out of those checks is the pr, so we arent revealing much they dont know by talking about just those slots. Wider set up analysis is unneeded rn.

I'm still waiting for alo to post more today

[davesaz]

I don't have any reason to scumread Wake at this time, but I think it's worth mentioning that scum can have watchers too.

[profii]

Chemist voted Alo for self preservation so it makes sense that scum wanted to hang on to a JK so that doesnt mean alo town, just alo will be at worse a lesser PR than a 1 shot JK...

But also, the game was really stagnant towards the end of the day so I am guessing that general resistance towards ending the day means we have scum trying to cling on to the Alo wagon... I think that's the direction I'll be sending my vote

[bob3141]

Kinda thinking it's just bob and Aloratom? That almost feels too easy though.

bob hard defended the chemist wagon near the end of the day while trying to make a push onto davesaz.

Alora hopped on at the end of day presumably to bus for the towncred. I kind of explained everything wrong with his play already.

VOTE: aloratom

Now thats shade.

I hard defended alort wagon. I said i was fine with chemist wagon and that it decent chance of flipping scum ( above random). But as always i want to lynch thr scum the scum dont want to bus

Why do you think if i was scum that i simply wouldnt hard bus chemists slot?

[bob3141]

Another option though is chem just didnt want to provide any associative information at all during day 1 given the likely hood of getting lynched. If they had start giving out reads there would be more ways to directly link people. This makes the lack of an alo read make more sense.

I'm currently not sure after thinking if scum!chem would of offer more of a fight to try and distance them if alo is indeed scum. Wouldnt it make sense to put up some opposition against your scum buddy there?

na scum chemist in that situation just pushs the slot his slot was already voting.

Why i wanted to know what he thought of alort. If he kept his vote his 50:50 odds move to 100:0

[Morning Tweet]

Kinda thinking it's just bob and Aloratom? That almost feels too easy though.

bob hard defended the chemist wagon near the end of the day while trying to make a push onto davesaz.

Alora hopped on at the end of day presumably to bus for the towncred. I kind of explained everything wrong with his play already.

VOTE: aloratom

Now thats shade.

I hard defended alort wagon. I said i was fine with chemist wagon and that it decent chance of flipping scum ( above random). But as always i want to lynch thr scum the scum dont want to bus

Why do you think if i was scum that i simply wouldnt hard bus chemists slot?

If you're in agreement that Chemist had a high chance of flipping scum (50/50), why would you vote anywhere else?

I don't have an opinion one way or the other on whether you personally would bus or not, but your behaviour at the end of the day was very strange to me.

At this point, I think there's a really high chance that one scum bussed, and the other didn't. I think the busser is likely to be Gamma, and you're in my pool for the non busser due to the end of day counterwagon. Perhaps you A.) were caught not being able to vote Alo due to defending him previously, and B.) didn't want to bus Chem

[Morning Tweet]

Wait,

Heretic had a threesome....and didnt invite me?!?

( ･// ω // ･)

[bob3141]

Kinda thinking it's just bob and Aloratom? That almost feels too easy though.

bob hard defended the chemist wagon near the end of the day while trying to make a push onto davesaz.

Alora hopped on at the end of day presumably to bus for the towncred. I kind of explained everything wrong with his play already.

VOTE: aloratom

Now thats shade.

I hard defended alort wagon. I said i was fine with chemist wagon and that it decent chance of flipping scum ( above random). But as always i want to lynch thr scum the scum dont want to bus

Why do you think if i was scum that i simply wouldnt hard bus chemists slot?

If you're in agreement that Chemist had a high chance of flipping scum (50/50), why would you vote anywhere else?

I don't have an opinion one way or the other on whether you personally would bus or not, but your behaviour at the end of the day was very strange to me.

At this point, I think there's a really high chance that one scum bussed, and the other didn't. I think the busser is likely to be Gamma, and you're in my pool for the non busser due to the end of day counterwagon. Perhaps you A.) were caught not being able to vote Alo due to defending him previously, and B.) didn't want to bus Chem

To learn who his buddies could be


I did not like how dave was pushing alort while at the same time shadign alort by push scum claim on chemist.

At no point could dave come up with areason as to why a scum chemist has any bearing on alorts alignment. Looked to me like scum trying to offset losing chemist.

And no one shoudl forget dave choose alort over chemist. Even though he claimed to think it was svs. I would of though that he would see teh best bet to catch scum would be to vote chemist. yet he never did

[bob3141]

Do you realy think i would be afraid to bus chemist tweet.

I would bussed tic/chemist from the getgo all the while building up the alort wagon as scum.