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[davesaz]

For the record, though you probably don't care, I went to sleep with the VC being 5-4 and woke up to chemist already hammered.

[bob3141]

Why didnt you make 6 -3. if you realy though chemist was scum?

You were awake as you say when chemist wagon was leading. A player you thought was scum

why not simply change. As wouldnt you still be voting for a player you thought was scum.

[Morning Tweet]

Do you realy think i would be afraid to bus chemist tweet.

I would bussed tic/chemist from the getgo all the while building up the alort wagon as scum.

Well you telling me you that's what you would do weakens your point a bit, since apparently you're aware of the difference in how town you and scum you would play.

To answer your question, I dont know

[bob3141]

town me doesnt care. scum me is very manipulative

As scum i set up all sorts of town on town conflicts. With the aim to cause the town too collapse. All the while warping the reads of the players that scum read me.

[davesaz]

Why didnt you make 6 -3. if you realy though chemist was scum?

You were awake as you say when chemist wagon was leading. A player you thought was scum

why not simply change. As wouldnt you still be voting for a player you thought was scum.

At that point in time it didn't matter which scum I voted. It was more informative to me (as town who scumread them both) to see if anyone else would make a decision. There was plenty of time to wake up and secure a lynch if nobody moved in that time.

[Adorable]

When you iso Chemist his first post was on April 15. On April 16 he claimed Jailkeeper and says he hasn't been trying to read the game and then he talks about his past games and afterwards he stops talking. He comes back on April 19, says morning and he got lynched. That was a strange play Chemist did. So just from isoing his posts looking at the date time this is the kind of play I find suspicious since it looked like he wanted to avoid interacting with anyone.

[Hectic]

Wait,

Heretic had a threesome....and didnt invite me?!?

Not cool my dude not cool.

Your fault dude, they all just showed up at my house uninvited. Good thing I decided not to active my PGO last night.

Adorable, so you're getting at the fact he wanted to avoid interacting with anyone because a scum lynch between him/Aloratom was already sealed and he didn't want to leave associatives? Or am I misinterpreting your point?

[Hectic]

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                   Wake88   Adorable
            profii                 Morning
       Gamma                            Aloratom
           bob3141               davesaz
                   Holden  AaronFrost

[Adorable]

Wait,

Heretic had a threesome....and didnt invite me?!?

Not cool my dude not cool.

Your fault dude, they all just showed up at my house uninvited. Good thing I decided not to active my PGO last night.

Adorable, so you're getting at the fact he wanted to avoid interacting with anyone because a scum lynch between him/Aloratom was already sealed and he didn't want to leave associatives? Or am I misinterpreting your point?

Chemist claimed and then he disappears for 3 days. Why did he not interact with other players and figure out who the scum are rather than giving up? Town should fight for their lynch figuring out who is scum and Chemist disappearing like that this is the kind of play I always find suspicious.

[Morning Tweet]

Wait,

Heretic had a threesome....and didnt invite me?!?

Not cool my dude not cool.

Your fault dude, they all just showed up at my house uninvited. Good thing I decided not to active my PGO last night.

Adorable, so you're getting at the fact he wanted to avoid interacting with anyone because a scum lynch between him/Aloratom was already sealed and he didn't want to leave associatives? Or am I misinterpreting your point?

Chemist claimed and then he disappears for 3 days. Why did he not interact with other players and figure out who the scum are rather than giving up? Town should fight for their lynch figuring out who is scum and Chemist disappearing like that this is the kind of play I always find suspicious.

what conclusion are you drawing from Chem leaving, other than it being suspicious?

[AaronFrost]

I'm of the mindset that one of those two targeting Hectic is Scum, while someone else (not among Tweet, Dave, and Hectic) is the Scum that killed Cakez.

Ok

Do you think one of them is scum based off of play or is this just pure speculation? Like do you have any specific reason to believe this?

Do not pretend to be dense with me, Aaron.

How likely do you think it is that 3 Town PRs all targeted Hectic at the same time? Assuming Hectic is Town.

I

know

you understand what I'm saying.

I understand what you're saying, but my question is this: is there anything in dave's or MT's play that suggests them being scum with Chemist?

[Aloratom]

I could go for this.

VOTE: AaronFrost

You never addressed the reasoning behind this vote, Aloratom.

Need you to address this, Aloratom. I want to hear why you voted for AFF there.

Would scum Chemist leave their rvs vote on a scum buddy like that or would scum Chemist leave his rvs vote on Aloratom hoping Aloratom would get lynched

Regarding this point: I could see Misty being afraid that moving his vote off of Aloratom shows Aloratom is more likely to be his buddy since it'd be really strange for Misty to vote anyone other than the only other viable wagon.

Aloratom dodging all the remarks/questions about his AFF vote make me feel a lot worse about him.

You posting this one hour after your follow-up tells me you're not interested in my answer.

But this probably sums it up even if it was posted after the fact:

Spoiler:

This might sound like a stupid question, but what was your plan in the post you voted him? The way you worded it makes it so you are not opposing the lurking p lynch on tictac while justifying being off the wagon. I think you can understand why this bugs me.

I wasn't opposed to the tictac wagon as a pressuring device, but it looked at that point that there were enough pressure votes there.

I wasn't going to join it with that number of people on it, especially after they had been prodded when it initially looked like they were going to be active.

I had other concerns at that time.

This post reads overly cautious to me

tictac was at 3 or 4 votes, which is only about half the required amount to lynch so there's not much danger in adding more pressure there, which you should want to do if you're town. The bolded part especially screams to me "I don't want to get caught randomly hopping onto a lurker wagon"

This was the justification you gave for your vote on me, which you later tried to push as me defending the tictac wagon until you were called on it.

I realized something about the tictac wagon-- I think regardless of tictac's alignment, there's probably scum on it. Okay maybe that's not a super hard deduction to make but bear with me here

I agree with this

VOTE: aaron actually
I'm less certain Chemist is scum here and Aaron is not making me feel good about this wagon

I'm confused by this? Why are you voting off wagon if you agree with MT that the tictac wagon is sketchy?

Because your postulating around is was sketch regardless of who is on wagon. There were surely scum on it but I don't have to go after them riht now.

I like MT's wagon analysis. I think it makes Gamma more likely scum.

Where did I say or imply that there were scum on the tictac wagon? I haven't actually looked at the wagon comp tbh, mostly because I find Alora pretty scummy and that's my focus right now. I'll have a look at MT's analysis though.

And now you find me pretty scummy.

Prior to that, if I recall correctly, you were having a difficult time finding any scum reads at all. This seems like a convenient excuse to join a wagon on me started by the ridiculous reason that Wake took to initially vote me, which Dave essentially sheeped. Then you use this lame reasoning to vote me, giving Wake an excuse to re-vote me.

[Aloratom]

I called Aloratom traitor voting for scum Bob. Remember this if I get mislynched.

Huh?

I'm torn between treating this as a scummy thing from Alo, or thinking it points to Alo traitor signaling to (Bob IIRC?). I have no special reasons to suspect a traitor, but there are certain interactions that just ping and this is one of those categories.

I have thought this for a long time and nothing has happened to remove the thought.

And what are those thoughts?

See at no point have you actual said any reasons as to why you think im scum.


Explain how you have came to such a conclusion.

You say your thinking hasnt changed. Yet in reality you have not justified any of it.

Dave explain why one should take this as you simply trying to shade me

Is this why you are voting me, Dave? You think I'm traitor?

I'd still like answers to these, please. I don't understand 645 at all.

[Aloratom]

I thought you were leaning it not being SvS? what are the chances both partners got ran up for the entirety of the day?

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Bussing is right though. i'm inclined to think it's elsewhere than Alo

You think there are two mafia?

I don't like MorningTweet's use of the word "both" here, although it could be a minor thing.

[AaronFrost]

That's kinda why I feel chem intentionally didnt say anything to avoid draw associations one way or another, faking the reading on Alo entirely. The main question now is rather or not it was done to shade alo upon flipping red, or to prevent more analysis linking to two together today.

I'm kinda feeling like if Chem is scum and Alo is town, he tries to push Alo a little bit more in order to save himself. Chem didn't really try too hard to save himself so either he thought there was just no point bc he thought he'd get lynched or he felt disassociated enough from his partners that he was fine with going down.

[Aloratom]

Also keep in mind that sircake was a enabler @posts like profi.

What does this mean?

[AaronFrost]

Kinda thinking it's just bob and Aloratom? That almost feels too easy though.

bob hard defended the chemist wagon near the end of the day while trying to make a push onto davesaz.

Alora hopped on at the end of day presumably to bus for the towncred. I kind of explained everything wrong with his play already.

VOTE: aloratom

Now thats shade.

I hard defended alort wagon. I said i was fine with chemist wagon and that it decent chance of flipping scum ( above random). But as always i want to lynch thr scum the scum dont want to bus

Why do you think if i was scum that i simply wouldnt hard bus chemists slot?

Ok you were fine with it, so why didn't you vote there? You tried to make a last minute push onto davesaz when the deadline was nearing and we needed a lynch. I even asked you to consolidate on one of the two wagons and you didn't.

[Adorable]

Wait,

Heretic had a threesome....and didnt invite me?!?

Not cool my dude not cool.

Your fault dude, they all just showed up at my house uninvited. Good thing I decided not to active my PGO last night.

Adorable, so you're getting at the fact he wanted to avoid interacting with anyone because a scum lynch between him/Aloratom was already sealed and he didn't want to leave associatives? Or am I misinterpreting your point?

Chemist claimed and then he disappears for 3 days. Why did he not interact with other players and figure out who the scum are rather than giving up? Town should fight for their lynch figuring out who is scum and Chemist disappearing like that this is the kind of play I always find suspicious.

what conclusion are you drawing from Chem leaving, other than it being suspicious?

If Chemist was town he should have tried to figure out who is scum instead of disappearing. This kind of behavior Chemist did when there was a wagon on him even after he claimed was giving me deja vu when scum did that when there was a wagon on them.

[Hectic]

Adorable, you do realise that Misty was lynched and flipped scum... right?

[AaronFrost]

And no one shoudl forget dave choose alort over chemist. Even though he claimed to think it was svs. I would of though that he would see teh best bet to catch scum would be to vote chemist. yet he never did

You did the same thing as well too, choosing to go for a vanity wagon near the end of the day as opposed to consolidating on one of the existing wagons.

Like i get your point that it is scum indicative of dave, but it's also scum indicative of you.

[AaronFrost]

Chemist claimed and then he disappears for 3 days. Why did he not interact with other players and figure out who the scum are rather than giving up? Town should fight for their lynch figuring out who is scum and Chemist disappearing like that this is the kind of play I always find suspicious.

Chemist already flipped tho so

Who specifically do you think he was avoiding interactions with?

[Hectic]

I like your recent posts, Aloratom; I'd missed your progression on AaronFF earlier.

Please accept this Enlightened Bidoof as an apology:

[AaronFrost]

What progression on me Hectic? There was none, and he just gave up on that push after cakez unvoted.

[AaronFrost]

I like the bidoof though

[bob3141]

Kinda thinking it's just bob and Aloratom? That almost feels too easy though.

bob hard defended the chemist wagon near the end of the day while trying to make a push onto davesaz.

Alora hopped on at the end of day presumably to bus for the towncred. I kind of explained everything wrong with his play already.

VOTE: aloratom

Now thats shade.

I hard defended alort wagon. I said i was fine with chemist wagon and that it decent chance of flipping scum ( above random). But as always i want to lynch thr scum the scum dont want to bus

Why do you think if i was scum that i simply wouldnt hard bus chemists slot?

Ok you were fine with it, so why didn't you vote there? You tried to make a last minute push onto davesaz when the deadline was nearing and we needed a lynch. I even asked you to consolidate on one of the two wagons and you didn't.

Why did you choose alort over chemist?

You were pushing players to consolidate onto your lynch.


Sir cake had already declared the hammer so wasnt much point. If he hadnt doen so when i got on 5pm gmt i would of hammered. Thought it was quite clear it was 1am and was off to bed after spending several hours catching up. Im not exactly goinf to go on first thing after wakign up. At 11.30 am

Besides do you serously think scum spends all their time trying to shut down the counter wagon to chemist and not bus.