Jigsaw's Revenge - Game Over

[GuiltyLion]

I got a townread on Pine out of the last few pages

a few people are asking about BM case - I feel his engagement with a lot of early game content was super light and perhaps it's due to his V/LA but he seemed to stop being involved as soon as the actual game picked up - this is a patten I see from scum often. At the time of me voting him I believed two of the other main bandwagons (Vecna and myself) were bad wagons, and I had just re-evaluated on danyBoy (the other, other wagon, which I had been pushing), so the BM votes felt to me like the best chance to follow along and find scum.

Funny enough Drixx is one of those slots for me that he was referring to as "you don't like going down that road unless you're sure", I def agree he's been overdramatic and making things more about himself than they actually are or need to be, but that's my experience of how he plays regardless of alignment, and I don't know if anything I've seen has felt like it moved the needle on him being more likely to be scum. It does feel weird that he's avoiding the BM wagon especially after I reversed my read on him, but I almost feel scum!Drixx would see it as easy to hop onto a town!BM by this point and not take that route, so either they're scum together or Drixx is townie for that.

MT bleeding town for me by this point. I'd also join a davesaz wagon.
p-edit: let's do it

VOTE: davesaz

[Albert B. Rampage]

XTOM, DAVE, BB, HECTIC, or BLAKE

Anyone here except Hectic works for me, can you rank them for me please?

in order where scummiest is at the top

dave
BB
Xtom
Blake

For dave it's not even that i disagree with the content of his posts, he just seems different this game

I'd be down for dave or Xtoxm on this list.
i would love to know more about your George town read. I just dont see anything that reads town.

Get in.

[farside22]

XTOM, DAVE, BB, HECTIC, or BLAKE

Anyone here except Hectic works for me, can you rank them for me please?

in order where scummiest is at the top

dave
BB
Xtom
Blake

For dave it's not even that i disagree with the content of his posts, he just seems different this game

I'd be down for dave or Xtoxm on this list.
i would love to know more about your George town read. I just dont see anything that reads town.

Get in.

VOTE: Dave

[GuiltyLion]

A50 and MT also posting elsewhere on site.

Good for you to notice. Did you also notice I posted in here less than two hours before your post??

Regardless of him missing that, I think actually going to look up players and venting about it is usually town indicative

this post is a perfect example of why Vecna is town btw

scum almost never has incentive to post this, especially cause I don't think he's really needed to buddy up to ABR

I think I agree with it, it's not impossible that scum!ABR does that but I do also think that's a decent indicator of town and it's making me less confident of an ABR scumread

[Blake Belladonna]

Be careful when going this route. I've seen davesaz react very poorly to pressure like this as both alignments.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I think 567 wins over 564, no question.

Davesaz is also scum. 567 is not a good case.

Get in.

[farside22]

I think 567 wins over 564, no question.

Davesaz is also scum. 567 is not a good case.

Be careful when going this route. I've seen davesaz react very poorly to pressure like this as both alignments.

Not sure why you are saying such if you find him scummy.

[GuiltyLion]

here's the simple Dave case, he has 47 posts at the moment and these are his only two votes:

VOTE: GuiltyLion

I know essentially nothing about the flavor, hopefully that's not too much of an impediment.

I don't think it's too much to ask, to explain a read.

VOTE: Elsa Jay

I don't know what your idea of "nothing suspicious" is, but when I reread your ISO it turned up to be almost everything suspicious. Including the comment about trying not to be.

[Pine]

I don't concur.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don't concur.

You still think GL is scummy? Enough to not help us build the first real bandwagon of the day?

[Blake Belladonna]

I think 567 wins over 564, no question.

Davesaz is also scum. 567 is not a good case.

Be careful when going this route. I've seen davesaz react very poorly to pressure like this as both alignments.

Not sure why you are saying such if you find him scummy.

You misunderstand.

I'm looking to prevent a toxic gamestate, which is a very realistic possibility in this scenario. My read has no relevance to this.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Is he or is he not one of your top scumreads?

[Albert B. Rampage]

We could always lynch him faster than he can singlehandedly plunge the game into a toxic state

[Blake Belladonna]

I can already tell you won't listen to my warning.

Very well, I will watch from afar.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I can already tell you won't listen to my warning.

Very well, I will watch from afar.

Well. We could also lynch you.

[GuiltyLion]

I'm looking to prevent a toxic gamestate, which is a very realistic possibility in this scenario. My read has no relevance to this.

what good is "preventing a toxic game state" if dave is scum and we are unable to lynch him?

as a Dave-voter, I solemnly swear I will try not to make it toxic.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Cross my heart I swear the same farside, Morning Tweet, girl scout's honor?

[Blake Belladonna]

Sigh.

I'm not saying don't wagon him. I'm saying to be careful about it. He has a history of reacting very poorly to pressure like this and I expect it to escalate with somebody like Albert B. Rampage at the helm.

I've fallen into that same trap multiple times in the past and it has yet to go in a positive direction for town.

[Morning Tweet]

I can already tell you won't listen to my warning.

Very well, I will watch from afar.

I don't get it, are you saying there are certain players that can't be wagoned because of how they'll react? Or were we going about it in a toxic way?

pedit: I suppose.

Cross my heart I swear the same farside, Morning Tweet, girl scout's honor?

sure

VOTE: dave

let's be on our best behaviour!

[Almost50]

I'm seeing a lot of posts that I fundamentally disagree with

It could/would be helpful if you quoted/referenced those and explained why you disagree with them

[Blake Belladonna]

I'll make sure to do that once I can be certain the game won't be hijacked again, Almost50.

[Almost50]

Penguin and I Townread one another, guessed (correctly) that one of our number was scum, then offered the scum a Faustian deal of helping him fulfill his secondary wincon if he would roll on his buddies. It worked, and we broke the game.

I guess there's no honour in the crime world anymore.

[Blake Belladonna]

I'll make sure to do that once I can be certain the game won't be hijacked again, Almost50.

Apologies, I'm realizing when reading this again that I'm breaking character. I'll return later.

[Almost50]

here's the simple Dave case, he has 47 posts at the moment and these are his only two votes:

VOTE: GuiltyLion

I know essentially nothing about the flavor, hopefully that's not too much of an impediment.

I don't think it's too much to ask, to explain a read.

VOTE: Elsa Jay

I don't know what your idea of "nothing suspicious" is, but when I reread your ISO it turned up to be almost everything suspicious. Including the comment about trying not to be.

I currently have 54 posts (this is my 55th) and I only voted once. Does that make me scum?

Based on MY experience with dave, he is more likely town than scum here. Furthermore, pressure doesn't really make him yield. He plays the way he wants to and will fight to death for his own view.

I invite you all to reference his play in TM2020 (Large Theme) for a premium example of what I mean. Half the town were SRing him form D1 all the way until the game was over (not to mention scum kept him as winning mislynch at the end of the game). Even when he had a guilty on the last scum (we were at 4-1) a townie still wanted to lynch him over his guilty.

[Almost50]

You still think GL is scummy? Enough to not help us build the first real bandwagon of the day?

Build a wagon on someone who will react to it in an AI way. dave is definitely not that person.