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[Red Panda]

Wake is alive. Farside was killed for her town reads I'm guessing.

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Her

town

reads?

[Knightmare491]

Or they prob thought she's a PR

[Knightmare491]

Don't mind that kill tho, I went into night thinking there's a chance she is mafia due to her reaction to miller CC

[Knightmare491]

VOTE: GB

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VOTE: Red Panda

[Red Panda]

Her

town

reads?

Yes. Why would she be killed for her scum reads. Are we doing this again with the votes?
Also her death makes sense from a gameplay pov.

So I have to ask the question. Do we think there are two millers
VOTE: mav

VOTE: Red Panda

Great case.

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Townies can be killed if their scumreads are correct, yes. I don't think that's rocket science.

What is a "gameplay pov"?

[Knightmare491]

Town better be fucking stacked in this game if there are 2 millers

We have to decide what's more likely, mavs CCing as mafia or 2 millers.

The reaction to the CC is the biggest point of interest, as town it's impossible that the first thing you consider is that there is chance that 2 millers exist = 0 chance.
Coming from maf it's much more likely because they know they're both town. GB's reaction is not town. Simple as

[Red Panda]

What is a "gameplay pov"?

Looking at it from my point of view. Think about it.

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I'm thinking about it. I see she kept saying she thought you were scum before she was killed.

[Persivul]

I'm a rolecop.

Mavs is indeed a miller.

I'm headed camping see you in two days.

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Okay, so the game is not COMPLETELY bastard at least.

[Knightmare491]

/in before mafia miller lmao

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Mafia Miller is explicitly not Normal. Try again.

[Knightmare491]

I know, just a dumb joke

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Oops, my bad.

[PranaDevil]

I'm a rolecop.

Mavs is indeed a miller.

I'm headed camping see you in two days.

So... we have a cop AND rolecop... and the rolecop just claims immediately, knowing they would be a target tonight?

(For the record, why would we have millers if we don't have a cop? The roles are purely there to make a cop check them).

I don't believe we have both, or at least not both on town side. I do believe if there's a rolecop they are more likely to be scum.

Okay, so the game is not COMPLETELY bastard at least.

You are going to blindly believe ol' Persivul?

Will also note farside was very suspicious of Persivul before she was offed.

VOTE: Persivul

Also, I note only one kill, so either we have a doc and they protected mavs, or we have no vig (or it's an even night only one, which if this game has two millers, is entirely possible).

[Knightmare491]

There's a chance we do not have cop with there being two millers, so that said cop doesn't get those false positives and the millers are there just for lol bantz

[Tanner]

What Knightmare said. There is literally no guarantee we have a Cop. Especially since two Millers literally give a reason for a Town Rolecop to exist.

Prana, farside was suspicious of Panda. Wanna join me there?

[Knightmare491]

I'll check what farside said about RP, I'm more sold on GB being scum tho.

[mavsfan41]

@Prana Devil: I actually hate that claim from Persivul. It’s extremely easy to fake as scum. I claimed miller and if Persivul is scum he knows I’m not his scum buddy and that I’m likely not fake claiming so he can take a pretty low risk gamble and say I’m miller in an attempt to validate his claim.

As for the night kill, Farside’s death does link to Persivul. In addition to that, Farside did express how even if Drew flipped miller, she would fight against my lynch day 2. With her gone, there’s now less resistance to lynch me and if I’m lynched, when I flip miller, that will give Persivul’s claim more credit. I think the NK of farside might have been twofold as just described. I would vote Persivul but voting someone on V/LA seems in bad faith. So I’ll wait to do so.

I will say, two types of cops with two millers does make sense right?

[mavsfan41]

Meant to look up the farside post, it’s 282.

@Drew-Sta: so there were two millers in the game, huh

[Knightmare491]

Come on Mavs, push on persivul is bad.

Consider these 2 things.

As scum, Persi - fake claims rolecop to clear you

or

Doesn't give a shit and let's you get lynched


It makes way more sense for him to just let you get lynched today as scum, not clear you.

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mavs, you do understand that you're NOT getting lynched?

Okay. 2 Millers in a game with no way to confirm either is broken. It gives scum two free mislynches. In order to make this game Playable, Town has to have something to confirm the other Miller. Persi's role fits that. 2 Millers without something like a Rolecop is straight up broken.

There doesn't need to be a Cop. Just because a Miller is in a game, doesn't mean there is a Cop. And *especially* if there's two Millers. They're there to get investigated by the Rolecop. Holy hell.