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[Klick]

Votecount 2.03

Gamma Emerald (3): Morning Tweet, Hectic, Adorable
Aloratom (1): AaronFrost
AaronFrost (1): profii
HoldenGolden (0):
profii (0):
davesaz (0):
Adorable (0):
Hectic (0):
bob3141 (0):
Wake88 (0):
Morning Tweet (0):

Not Voting: HoldenGolden, Gamma Emerald, davesaz, bob3141, Wake88, Aloratom

With

11

alive, it takes

6

to lynch.

The day will end in (expired on 2020-05-01 23:00:00).

AaronFrost is V/LA until the 29th.

[Aloratom]

PGO = paranoid gun owner. Kills anyone who targets it. Obviously he isn't actually that role or there would be a whole lotta bodies.

I can anticipate the answer that Bob gives but won't interfere with the question.

Thank you.

[Aloratom]

I think Gamma needs to speak up.

VOTE: Gamma

[AaronFrost]

V/LA until April 29th

College finals coming up. Will still check in when I can.

[bob3141]

How do you feel about Hectic?

slightly town. In the null spectrum. Will be taking a greater look at that slot along with the rest of the votes around him

What does that mean, "the rest of the votes around him?" I hear that and it sounds like filler

Position on the vote count.

[davesaz]

Yup, that matches the answer I expected.

[davesaz]

Actually, I think I want to ask a followup question.

How much weight are you giving VCA vs posting?

[Gamma Emerald]

Why is Bob doing VCA in D2

Its not a full VCA; its not necessarily analyzing the motives for everyone coming onto the wagons and seems more him removing wake from it due to the town read. I do find it funny posts like that get called VCA though when a VCA in theory is much more indepth.

Gamma where are you at game and read wise? You feel reserved.

I’m pretty much nowhere when it comes to the game but I’ll get there eventually. Reads I’ll politely decline to answer.

Now please answer me straight for my question because that is just subverting it.

[Gamma Emerald]

Hi don't touch me

VOTE: tictac
I'm pretty sure I know where your avatar comes from and I approve

VOTE: Chemist

This

is L-1.

What was 534, Gamma?

@adorable Do you have any reads?

534 was me not realizing Chemist replaced tictac but I was fine leaving it unmentioned when I did that.

[Gamma Emerald]

@ gamma can you explain how you tictac/chemist scum read progressed during day one?

when did you first think that slot was scum?

Why did you think that slot was scum?

I first thought it was scum after Chemist had been in the game for a while and hadn’t done much because I found his quietness odd. Until then it was just an RVS vote I never changed.

[Gamma Emerald]

Waka flocka flame has rolled scum in the last year

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=81560

Oh God lol. I remember reading a bit of that when it was happening and I thought Wake's entrance felt a lot townier than usual.

Oh shit

Didn't realize town won that game

yay!

Also AaronFFrost gets townpoints for the Survivor meme

So other than this meme what do you think of arraon.

What points though out the game have left you thinking aaron is town. And at any point has anything he has doen even for bit caused you to reconsider? Even if was onyl short.

I remember seeing others calling Aaron scum but none of the reasoning has stuck with me so I’m going to assume the cases weren’t that good. Besides that I don’t really have much on him.

Any reason why you’re hitting me and me specifically with this battery of questions?

[Aloratom]

How do you feel about Hectic?

slightly town. In the null spectrum. Will be taking a greater look at that slot along with the rest of the votes around him

What does that mean, "the rest of the votes around him?" I hear that and it sounds like filler

Position on the vote count.

Okay. So your intent is to examine whomever voted before him and whomever voted after him. That makes sense.

[Klick]

V/LA until April 29th

College finals coming up. Will still check in when I can.

Noted. Good luck!

[Gamma Emerald]

PT cop would be the very last thing I'd think of.
Hinting you know someone has a PT on day 1 is a traitor tell.

I think dave is town for this approach

Can you explain what it was about his approach that lead you to his conclusion?

Dave was pushing alort in regards to this, what do you think of alort?

Pretty sure I thought he was town because of that and 229, because it felt like he was really sorting but it’s pretty far removed from that moment so I can’t say for certain.

I realized something about the tictac wagon-- I think regardless of tictac's alignment, there's probably scum on it. Okay maybe that's not a super hard deduction to make but bear with me here

I agree with this

VOTE: aaron actually
I'm less certain Chemist is scum here and Aaron is not making me feel good about this wagon

Cake your here. Why does chemist feel less scummy to you?

He seems just lost and confused. Also that would be a weird choice of fakeclaim imo.
I feel scum would be freaking out more

The claim may not necessarily be fake, he could just be a scum 1-shot jailkeeper. I think I want to leave that claim alone for today though.

Also I disagree with that last sentence, I think more often than not scum try to maintain their composure when under pressure.

My take is a 1-Shot PR is a good option for a safe scum fakeclaim. I have tried it myself, though I fucked up the execution with too many bells and whistles. I don’t see anything indicating Chemist is fakeclaiming but I don’t think his claim is in itself a point for his survival.

Gamma what made you think that it was a safe fakeclaim?


I find this last bit interesting.

Care to talk us through by what you meant by survival?


You dont talk about risk about lynching town pr but survival. survival has different connotation to the usual phrasing town players use during this time.

I thought it was a safe fakeclaim because I’d done the same tactic of fakeclaiming a 1-shot PR once. The idea behind it was to lower the value in lynching me while not putting myself out there to get counterclaimed. However I claimed a “provable” role (vig), although that doesn’t change the psychology too much. As for what I meant by survival I had it in my mind he was trying to live another day so I was essentially saying “I don’t think he’s a bad D1 lynch just because he claimed a PR”.

[Morning Tweet]

{Wake} - obvtown in more ways than one =,=
{Alo} - i feel that the d1 wagons weren't SvS and do not feel great about those pushing that angle today, either
-
{davesaz, Hectic}
{Adorable-Cat, Holden}
-
{bob, Aaron}
{profii}
{Gamma}

notes-
i think it's highly likely we have a busser and a non-busser. the chemist wagon went on for the entire day, didn't really come under heavy resistance except for the one wagon. There's enough people that opposed/agreed but decided Alo was stronger that i think there's scum in them. At the same time, the way tictac/chem responded to pressure makes me inclined to think one scum bussed that at least

Spoiler: on the Chem wagon

Gamma Emerald, Cat Scratch Fever, Hectic, profii, HoldenGolden, Aloratom, SirCakez

Gamma>profii>Holden>Cat>Hectic>Alo

Gamma voted in RVS before there it was known what the wagon would become. He revoted after Hectic's case came, and he recently explained that this is because he didn't realize that tictac and Chem were the same person. --if he didn't know they were the same person, then he didn't vote for the tictac case at all. He now clarifies that he put Chem to L-1 because he found her quietness odd.

Profii is kind of like a lazy dog that went, "Good enough for me," plopped down on the tictac wagon, and went to sleep. Could easily see bus, or maybe just low effort town so I put him below Gamma. I considered his extra push 609 to possibly be something he'd only say as town, but i think now it's possible that at that point in the day scum decided chem was a lost cause. Profii also did something I found suspicious early on but he never engaged with my questioning on it so -m- . I'm interested in what he's saying about Aaron today, I think it'll be telling about both of their alignments. although for me it indirectly makes Aaron look better to me atm

I cant get a read on holden. he's very active, i just can't figure out anything AI. He could be the bussing scum, but i don't have any reason to think him over gamma/profii

i was starting to forget Cat was in this game. The vote on tictac was there with the intent of starting pressure, although it was much before we knew how far the wagon would go. slight town edge overall

Hectic is hectik. slight townlean, but not as sure as yesterday

and Alo i straight up don't think is scum from the nature of the day and only having those two wagons

Gamma and profii could technically be scum together, which could mean that the Aaron push thing by profii is meant as a counterwagon from Gamma

however, i think it's more likely that the remaining scum is outside the Chem wagon. My feelings about this are lesser in comparison to what i have on the wagon

Spoiler: off the Chem wagon

Removing Wake, the pool is {Aaron, bob, dave}.

Aaron defended Chem whilst further pushing Alo. He did not deny the possibility of Chem scum, but gave reason that this could be her town m.o. as well as her scum m.o. Additionally, he's pushing an SvS angle today which i dont agree with.

Bob acted in a confusing matter at the end of d1 but i don't really want to spend more time talking about this than we have to. I don't understand why he voted dave when he admits Chem had a high chance of rolling scum. I haven't read too closely into his posts yet today, but enough to confirm he was saying that Chem had a good chance of being scum yesterday.

No notes for dave that override the other two as of right now

[profii]

Spoiler: Big MT Quote

{Wake} - obvtown in more ways than one =,=
{Alo} - i feel that the d1 wagons weren't SvS and do not feel great about those pushing that angle today, either
-
{davesaz, Hectic}
{Adorable-Cat, Holden}
-
{bob, Aaron}
{profii}
{Gamma}

notes-
i think it's highly likely we have a busser and a non-busser. the chemist wagon went on for the entire day, didn't really come under heavy resistance except for the one wagon. There's enough people that opposed/agreed but decided Alo was stronger that i think there's scum in them. At the same time, the way tictac/chem responded to pressure makes me inclined to think one scum bussed that at least

Spoiler: on the Chem wagon

Gamma Emerald, Cat Scratch Fever, Hectic, profii, HoldenGolden, Aloratom, SirCakez

Gamma>profii>Holden>Cat>Hectic>Alo

Gamma voted in RVS before there it was known what the wagon would become. He revoted after Hectic's case came, and he recently explained that this is because he didn't realize that tictac and Chem were the same person. --if he didn't know they were the same person, then he didn't vote for the tictac case at all. He now clarifies that he put Chem to L-1 because he found her quietness odd.

Profii is kind of like a lazy dog that went, "Good enough for me," plopped down on the tictac wagon, and went to sleep. Could easily see bus, or maybe just low effort town so I put him below Gamma. I considered his extra push 609 to possibly be something he'd only say as town, but i think now it's possible that at that point in the day scum decided chem was a lost cause. Profii also did something I found suspicious early on but he never engaged with my questioning on it so -m- . I'm interested in what he's saying about Aaron today, I think it'll be telling about both of their alignments. although for me it indirectly makes Aaron look better to me atm

I cant get a read on holden. he's very active, i just can't figure out anything AI. He could be the bussing scum, but i don't have any reason to think him over gamma/profii

i was starting to forget Cat was in this game. The vote on tictac was there with the intent of starting pressure, although it was much before we knew how far the wagon would go. slight town edge overall

Hectic is hectik. slight townlean, but not as sure as yesterday

and Alo i straight up don't think is scum from the nature of the day and only having those two wagons

Gamma and profii could technically be scum together, which could mean that the Aaron push thing by profii is meant as a counterwagon from Gamma

however, i think it's more likely that the remaining scum is outside the Chem wagon. My feelings about this are lesser in comparison to what i have on the wagon

Spoiler: off the Chem wagon

Removing Wake, the pool is {Aaron, bob, dave}.

Aaron defended Chem whilst further pushing Alo. He did not deny the possibility of Chem scum, but gave reason that this could be her town m.o. as well as her scum m.o. Additionally, he's pushing an SvS angle today which i dont agree with.

Bob acted in a confusing matter at the end of d1 but i don't really want to spend more time talking about this than we have to. I don't understand why he voted dave when he admits Chem had a high chance of rolling scum. I haven't read too closely into his posts yet today, but enough to confirm he was saying that Chem had a good chance of being scum yesterday.

No notes for dave that override the other two as of right now

You

could

have said my 2 strongest scum reads are the what I perceive to be the 2 least active players and essentially got to the same place.

[profii]

Erm I tried to hide the huge quote in a spoiler tag and failed...whoops

[Morning Tweet]

Gamma seems very detached from this particular game. he pops in asking something that could be answered by reading the thread, a lot. The lack of activity doesn't help him, and I also think he's most likely to have bussed Chem

im not really concerned with your level of activity because im not sure if that's AI for you. i am sad you never engaged with my earlier questions for you though :c

I feel pretty strongly that scum busses tictac-chem here, and it's a matter of finding who is most likely on the wagon. I don't think Alo is scum. Hectic could have done it as a planned bus, but i find that less likely than the other options. profii's "Good enough for me" after hectic made the case does not sit well with me. Cat helped start the pressure, but it was very early on so only minor town points. i dont have a read on holden.

Gamma, amazingly enough, voted both before there was any lynch pressure (in RVS), and then voted again a second time when it felt like the Chem lynch was mostly agiven (thinking he put her to L-1). Holden is a null.

So, therefore, Gamma>profii>Holden>Cat>Hectic>Alo.

If i said, "My two strongest scumreads are the inactives", thatd imply im scumreading them for that reason, which i only partly do in Gammas case.

Also, just above profii and Gamma on my readslist, im considering bob and Aaron as potential chem defending partners. neither of them were inactive at the end of d1

[profii]

I have no idea what question I didnt answer. I must have missed it

[Morning Tweet]

oh god damn it i checked over it, this whole time i thought i asked you for clarification on the "It's a genuine question" comment you made earlier, and you ignored it, but i never actually got around to asking it so you werent ignoring anything

im sorry im stupid

you explained it further today in 801, in any case

[profii]

VOTE: Chemist

This

is L-1.

I realized something about the tictac wagon-- I think regardless of tictac's alignment, there's probably scum on it. Okay maybe that's not a super hard deduction to make but bear with me here

I agree with this

VOTE: aaron actually
I'm less certain Chemist is scum here and Aaron is not making me feel good about this wagon

Cake your here. Why does chemist feel less scummy to you?

He seems just lost and confused. Also that would be a weird choice of fakeclaim imo.
I feel scum would be freaking out more

The claim may not necessarily be fake, he could just be a scum 1-shot jailkeeper. I think I want to leave that claim alone for today though.

Also I disagree with that last sentence, I think more often than not scum try to maintain their composure when under pressure.

My take is a 1-Shot PR is a good option for a safe scum fakeclaim. I have tried it myself, though I fucked up the execution with too many bells and whistles. I don’t see anything indicating Chemist is fakeclaiming but I don’t think his claim is in itself a point for his survival.

I wouldn't expect gamma to bus, it would have been easy to vote alo and just say something generic like "probably shouldn't lynch a PR guys" rather than a seemingly naked vote

So I'm not going to join the wagon, still happy with aaron

[Hectic]

Why is Bob doing VCA in D2

Its not a full VCA; its not necessarily analyzing the motives for everyone coming onto the wagons and seems more him removing wake from it due to the town read. I do find it funny posts like that get called VCA though when a VCA in theory is much more indepth.

Gamma where are you at game and read wise? You feel reserved.

I’m pretty much nowhere when it comes to the game but I’ll get there eventually. Reads I’ll politely decline to answer.

Now please answer me straight for my question because that is just subverting it.

Gamma, why are you concerned with making Holden answer your question about why Bobman is doing VCA? Why not ask Bobman directly?

[Hectic]

I wouldn't expect gamma to bus, it would have been easy to vote alo and just say something generic like "probably shouldn't lynch a PR guys" rather than a seemingly naked vote

So I'm not going to join the wagon, still happy with aaron

Really? I would see that reasoning as really scummy if anyone had tried it yesterday.

Gamma was voting Misty without giving any reasons for Misty being scum. It's not like he was trying to convince us it was the best vote, so his vote probably didn't make a huge difference on the end result of the day's outcome.

[Hectic]

Hmmm I'm struggling to read people for the most part here. Not really finding any SRs so far other than that early Holden ping which is odd for me.

Honestly, I'm kinda feeling the same way rn. I have no real scum reads and a few weak town leans on cakez, dave and hectic.

I town read all these players

-Hectic was the target of many actions, no one is jumping up and saying 'this is potentially a guilty' so I'm assuming nothing untowards
-Cakez flipped town
-Dave, I think I've seen a dave town tell but it only happened recently


so the weird thing is, even though it's weak, Aaron got 3 reads 'right' as far as my mind is working, way earlier in the game. I don't mean to infer that this is not possible or I am a superior player obviously - but I'm obviously getting at the point that scum just know so it could easily be that.

You're scumreading Aaron because he got 3 reads right, 2 of which might still be wrong? You're using your own assessment of your townreads on Hectic/Dave to establish AaronFF is probably right about them, and TMIed them early. That's... not great reasoning, especially since AFF listed them as "weak town leans".

[Adorable]

Fair point, Adorable. Do you have any suspicions on players at the moment? How do you feel about joining Morning and I on pressuring Gamma?

[HoldenGolden, Gamma Emerald, profii, Adorable, davesaz, Morning, bob3141]

Primes.

Gamma's iso is lacking content and some of his posts looked like he was agreeing with players. I've got a poe on Gamma, Holden, Aaron, Morning, bob, profii, dave. You and Aaron talked about a scum Aloratom but seeing that he was the counter wagon I will give him another chance since I don't often see scum being a counter wagon to a scum buddy. I'll join you on pressuring Gamma.

VOTE: Gamma

I agree with this point about Gamma's iso, but my poe is a little smaller.

Has your view on Hectic changed since Holden corrected you?

I was talking about the vote count on #526. I checked again and it turns out I read it wrong and made a mistake. Hectic was the 4th voter and profii was the one who broke the tie. Wake was originally the 4th voter and then he switched his vote to you and Hectic voted Chemist. My view still hasn't changed.