Newbie 1996: GAME OVER

[clidd]

I feel that I am in the middle of the crossfire, not knowing for sure who is an ally and who is an enemy. All I hear is the sound of gunfire echoing in the eerie smoke that enveloped the battlefield. Without visual guidance, I need to deduce which way I am going, using only the sound interpretation of the shooting pattern to distinguish which side is correct.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Kirari I see this post referenced every time you want to paint me as scum. Why is that scummy?

Because it's hedging but not in a townie way

Anyway clidd says you're town and my reads don't matter today so *shrug*

you should understand that i've been asked to give opinions when i haven't really read the whole thread yet.

[clidd]

My problem with Kirari is that she was the first to theorize Scum!Clidd due to the absence I had during the period when the focus was on her wagon. This is a kind of towny assumption, because if she is practically being lynched, it is important to avoid typing too much to avoid associations later as scum. Her FoS on me would only benefit me once she flips, which is why I reconsidered my point of view about her.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I feel that I am in the middle of the crossfire, not knowing for sure who is an ally and who is an enemy. All I hear is the sound of gunfire echoing in the eerie smoke that enveloped the battlefield. Without visual guidance, I need to deduce which way I am going, using only the sound interpretation of the shooting pattern to distinguish which side is correct.

it's a question on whether or not you're willing to lock kirari as town right now instead of later. if day 3 we have thoughts that kirari can be town

kirari makes sense as town because of the gamestate that surrounded her. my only concern is that there could be a scum!kirari explanation that the day progressed at it did. LL has provided explanation, which I haven't really started thinking about. i'll start there later.

[humaneatingmonkey]

EBWOP: if day 3 we have thoughts that kirari can be scum, it's gonna be dangerous then.

[humaneatingmonkey]

for example, right now, it feels to me that her scum!monkey theories and scum!LL theories are in bad faith — and i'm beginning to get second guesses. this is what i want to discuss with town today.

[humaneatingmonkey]

it's also a question whether or not we believe LL had her as no result because she was jailed, or whether she was actually town. does her D1 and early D2 actions reflect VT motivations? or is there something else there? because honestly i'm not sold on the whole "i need to act scummy to survive" narrative.

[humaneatingmonkey]

however, her massive drive to solve the game, give her reads, and help the town move along could be townie.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Votecount 2.08

Kirari Momobami (3)

- Yooh, 3bounty, LuckyLuciano

3bounty (2)

- humaneatingmonkey, Kirari Momobami, HoldenGolden

Not Voting (1)

- Clidd,

With 7 players alive it takes 4 votes to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2020-04-26 09:10:00)

[humaneatingmonkey]

i can be down for a 3b lynch today, but whatever 3b flips as today, there won't be anything there to help us sort Kirari. that's why we need to lock kirari as town now or we lynch her to be in a better gamestate later.

i'm willing to bet the game that kirari is town. but if I really think about it, there's no objective reason to do so.

[humaneatingmonkey]

i'll start looking for objective reasons to do so later.

if nothing else, 3B is a solid lynch.

[clidd]

I feel that I am in the middle of the crossfire, not knowing for sure who is an ally and who is an enemy. All I hear is the sound of gunfire echoing in the eerie smoke that enveloped the battlefield. Without visual guidance, I need to deduce which way I am going, using only the sound interpretation of the shooting pattern to distinguish which side is correct.

it's a question on whether or not you're willing to lock kirari as town right now instead of later. if day 3 we have thoughts that kirari can be town

kirari makes sense as town because of the gamestate that surrounded her. my only concern is that there could be a scum!kirari explanation that the day progressed at it did. LL has provided explanation, which I haven't really started thinking about. i'll start there later.

I have conflicting information about her role. There is Luciano's analysis and the scummy reaction she had during the first accusations, but right after she became L-1, there was a sudden change of posture. She started posting more and theorizing about other slots that no one was talking about (me). Why would Scum!Kirari do that ?

[clidd]

EBWOP: if day 3 we have thoughts that kirari can be scum, it's gonna be dangerous then.

We have to hit scum today, it is the most viable path to victory.

[clidd]

ML is basically loss at our weird game state. Today is lylo, to be honest.

[humaneatingmonkey]

i'll do an analysis on who's more scum between kirari and 3b later then.

[clidd]

i can be down for a 3b lynch today, but whatever 3b flips as today, there won't be anything there to help us sort Kirari. that's why we need to lock kirari as town now or we lynch her to be in a better gamestate later.

i'm willing to bet the game that kirari is town. but if I really think about it, there's no objective reason to do so.

3bounty sheeped Kirari on D1 and townreads me for no reason. He's worse than Kirari by reads. Kirari is worse by play (as Luciano explained)

I agree with 3bounty>Kirari.

[3bounty]

Any lynch just make sure there's no no lynch. That is basically a loss.

[3bounty]

And LL voted for Kirari I think.

[humaneatingmonkey]

3b, what's your read on Yooh, HG, clidd, and LL?

[3bounty]

Yoooh town
HG scum
Clidd neutral
LL town

[Kirari Momobami]

And LL voted for Kirari I think.

LL spent twenty posts of vca preflipping me scum and then started talking about postgame

He has literally scumsided if he is town; as I said we should play as though we are in C even if we are not

[3bounty]

And LL voted for Kirari I think.

LL spent twenty posts of vca preflipping me scum and then started talking about postgame

He has literally scumsided if he is town; as I said we should play as though we are in C even if we are not

This was for the mod, the VC has been fixed. My bad for not bolding.

All good I'm around watching the thread noticed the mess up as I fight with images.
Elmo

[clidd]

Yoooh town
HG scum
Clidd neutral
LL town

Hum.

[clidd]

InWho22 * - neutral
Peaches * notme0 - neutral
LuckyLuciano SeserOneHK - town
3bounty
Aloratom - scum
Yooh * - neutral
Kirari Momobami (SE) - town
humaneatingmonkey (SE) - scum
HoldenGolden (SE) - town

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[humaneatingmonkey]

3bounty, what about your read on Kirari and me?