Newbie 1996: GAME OVER

[clidd]

The most expressive evolution in your reads is HG (HoldenGolden), which went from town to scum. Why ?

I followed the progression of Holden's ISO, and it suggests a towny curve from D1 to D2. How did you get to this inverted read ?

[3bounty]

Kirari neutral
HEM scum

[3bounty]

The most expressive evolution in your reads is HG (HoldenGolden), which went from town to scum. Why ?

I followed the progression of Holden's ISO, and it suggests a towny curve from D1 to D2. How did you get to this inverted read ?

D2 town? How?

Posting last when there is assumed tracker in the game - scum
Opposing the kirari lynch - nai

[Kirari Momobami]

So why are you voting me if I am not in your bottom 2?

[clidd]

Kirari, you're L-1. You can react now.

[3bounty]

So why are you voting me if I am not in your bottom 2?

-Probably won't be able to get a Holden or HEM lynch.
-My two town reads are voting you.
-No lynch is bad.
-I could be wrong about my reads.

[Kirari Momobami]

? I mean I could correctly argue I'd self hammer as scum here but since it would be coming from me it'd be wifom and unconvincing

I can link you the game where I do so but it's not going to move anyone's needle other than yours

[Kirari Momobami]

So why are you voting me if I am not in your bottom 2?

-Probably won't be able to get a Holden or HEM lynch.
-My two town reads are voting you.
-No lynch is bad.
-I could be wrong about my reads.

do you think it will be easier to lynch hem when the only person who agrees with you on that read is lynched?

[clidd]

Hum.

[Kirari Momobami]

I think I disagree with the idea no lynch is bad, although I appreciate where you're coming from

[Kirari Momobami]

Wait, are you saying "no lynch" is bad or that no particular mislynch is bad?

[clidd]

I would appreciate a flash-lynch on 3bounty for the way he interpreted his read on Holden. I still don't understand how from a town perspective he doesn't notice Holden's effort on D2.

However, Luciano is deadly serious about this lynch. He claimed to increase the strength of what he wanted to suggest. Jesus.

[HoldenGolden]

Yoooh town

HG scum
Clidd neutral
LL town

What happen to your Yooh is never town sentiment over 1071?

I am here, but I have had a quite mentally draining day. I will attempt to do as much as I can tonight.

FYI, it is currently tied L-1 between Kirari and 3b. My vote on 3b from eariler has not been factor in yet

[Kirari Momobami]

Here you go clidd, what I would argue is my *preferred* and *most typical* scumgame: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

Again, since I am the one saying this is my scum meta, no one should or will care, but there it is.

[HoldenGolden]

I would appreciate a flash-lynch on 3bounty for the way he interpreted his read on Holden. I still don't understand how from a town perspective he doesn't notice Holden's effort on D2.

However, Luciano is deadly serious about this lynch. He claimed to increase the strength of what he wanted to suggest. Jesus.

Effort is a dual edge sword and it is at least consistent given his progression. The fact it relies on the Tracker WIFOM (which i already gave reasons why it is flawed logically speaking) is somewhat concerning but meh.

His flip on Yooh is more alarming if we are debating his progressions.

[Kirari Momobami]

Including:
-being off-wagon day 1
-basically doing nothing day 1
-tunneling exactly one person the entire game
-jokeclaiming mason with exactly one person
-speedhammers on TPRs
-self-hammers

Scum!Kirari in a nutshell, and plenty of things that I'd say are wildly different from this game but probably enough things that are superficially similar that LL would say "nope, that makes me even more sure Kirari is scum this game!"

so kinda immaterial to the conversation

[HoldenGolden]

Also it is ironic that Cil2d meta pull describes scum!monkey as emotionally driven when my interactions with him in the mini has lead me to the opposite conclusion since he posted in a relatively calm manner and I only suspected him d1 due certain posts.

Anyways, let me show you kirari what I was talking about with town monkey. Gimme a second

[clidd]

I would appreciate a flash-lynch on 3bounty for the way he interpreted his read on Holden. I still don't understand how from a town perspective he doesn't notice Holden's effort on D2.

However, Luciano is deadly serious about this lynch. He claimed to increase the strength of what he wanted to suggest. Jesus.

Effort is a dual edge sword and it is at least consistent given his progression. The fact it relies on the Tracker WIFOM (which i already gave reasons why it is flawed logically speaking) is somewhat concerning but meh.

His flip on Yooh is more alarming if we are debating his progressions.

I feel that from a Town!Lazy perspective that I imagine he has (no offense, of course), there would be a different interpretation of the numerical increase in your number of posts and involvement with the game.

[clidd]

Here you go clidd, what I would argue is my *preferred* and *most typical* scumgame: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

Again, since I am the one saying this is my scum meta, no one should or will care, but there it is.

I'll take a look.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Votecount 2.09

Kirari Momobami (3)

- Yooh, 3bounty, LuckyLuciano

3bounty (3)

- humaneatingmonkey, Kirari Momobami, HoldenGolden

Not Voting (1)

- Clidd,

With 7 players alive it takes 4 votes to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2020-04-26 09:10:00)

[clidd]

Also it is ironic that Cil2d meta pull describes scum!monkey as emotionally driven when my interactions with him in the mini has lead me to the opposite conclusion since he posted in a relatively calm manner and I only suspected him d1 due certain posts.

Anyways, let me show you kirari what I was talking about with town monkey. Gimme a second

The emotional instance I saw most strongly in his scum game before the one both of you played together. But that does not reduce the argument that you are able to detect Scum!Monkey traits.

[clidd]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

What I get out of this is that you have a tendency to hammer yourself regardless of whether you can get away with it or not. There were 4 players who had not yet voted, which means that you could have appealed to the sense of doubt, but decided to prioritize the safety of your partner, to avoid information that could associate both of you. In the scenario we are in, the possibility of you being lynched is even more firm, mainly due to the number of players. By comparison, the inference you want to suggest is that your play at L-1 today is a towny indicator and does not refer to your scumgame. Is that it ?

[clidd]

Jesus, I have the hammer.

[Kirari Momobami]

What I get out of this is that you have a tendency to hammer yourself regardless of whether you can get away with it or not. There were 4 players who had not yet voted, which means that you could have appealed to the sense of doubt, but decided to prioritize the safety of your partner, to avoid information that could associate both of you. In the scenario we are in, the possibility of you being lynched is even more firm, mainly due to the number of players. By comparison, the inference you want to suggest is that your play at L-1 today is a towny indicator and does not refer to your scumgame. Is that it ?

That would be the argument I'd make if I were one to believe self-meta is ever convincing, yeah. I guess gamestate wise Holden putting 3b at L-1 would theoretically give me hope, but conversely I could still self-hammer to create doubt over whether Holden had set up a planned self-hammer or not. As I said, self-meta is usually wifom garbage, but that doesn't change the fact that this day goes very differently if I am scum

[LuckyLuciano]

I feel that I am in the middle of the crossfire, not knowing for sure who is an ally and who is an enemy. All I hear is the sound of gunfire echoing in the eerie smoke that enveloped the battlefield. Without visual guidance, I need to deduce which way I am going, using only the sound interpretation of the shooting pattern to distinguish which side is correct.

it's a question on whether or not you're willing to lock kirari as town right now instead of later. if day 3 we have thoughts that kirari can be town

kirari makes sense as town because of the gamestate that surrounded her. my only concern is that there could be a scum!kirari explanation that the day progressed at it did. LL has provided explanation, which I haven't really started thinking about. i'll start there later.

EBWOP: if day 3 we have thoughts that kirari can be scum, it's gonna be dangerous then.

Was that a slip?