Micro 935 | Chain of Command | Game Over!

[GeorgeBailey]

VC 1.02

by: trafassel

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Lynching

With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch

Euphony

(2): Kanna, DoctorPepper

DoctorPepper

(1): Datisi

Iconeum

(1): OkaPoka

Drew-Sta

(1): Euphony

Not Voting

(4): Alduskkel, Drew-Sta, QuantumQuasar, Iconeum

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-05-04 13:39:45)

V/LAs

: Iconeum has a standard weekend VLA

"GeorgeBailey" - GeorgeBailey

[Drew-Sta]

I can tell you're reading into it too much by calling it a "case". It's literally just a starting point.

Are you unvoting Oogle Boogle because of what I mentioned about him?

J**^ Hectic

What is it you want, Mary? What do you want? You want the moon? Just say the word and I'll throw a lasso around it and pull it down.

Hey. That's a pretty good idea. I'll give you the moon, Mary.

[Drew-Sta]

Whoops, meant to post something.

To first quote - probably over reading it, but I want to hear why you felt the need to post it.

I unvoted as we’re past RVS and my vote was not serious.

George - watched Bruce Almighty last night, and those quotes were in it.

Classic Movie! - GB

[Euphony]

Yeah I'll choose to take it seriously.

i think it is kinda scummy to take a post by hectic poking fun at me seriously when it comes two posts after i said hectic can imitate me if he wishes. by extension, i think it is kinda towny that quantumquasar pointed it out.

Ok, so this poses an interesting issue. I react with an OMGUS, it looks like scum pretending to be town. I react aggressively and suggest meta on my games is simply coincidence and it looks like scumsplaining. I ignore it, and it looks like scum avoiding the issue.

what do you think your reaction here ^ looks like?

do me next

but you have to do all of them

i will consider doing so if you update your wiki.

You've painted me into a corner with meta that is about 6 years old (as I've only just started playing again). That's a fairly calculated move.

I think basing your entire case on 6 year old meta then justifying it is... of interest. It sounds like you’re casting a shadow over me (and Oka) without even trying to independently verify whether we are town.

That’s unwise at best and will lead you to tunnel, and cause us problems as town down the track.

With regard to your intentions, casting doubt appears to be your aim. I find that problematic.

you've mentioned the age of those games twice now, as if i would not have used more recent data were it available to me. my intentions were to bring us out of rvs. the two things from rvs i found of most interest were okapoka's seemingly intentional greetings tell and your hello. since my read on okapoka's opening was based almost entirely on menalque's opening this game:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11637050

it seemed better to draw attention to your hello, to see how you and others would react.

[Kanna]

since my read on okapoka's opening was based almost entirely on menalque's opening this game:

viewtopic.php?p=11637050#p11637050

This is freaky, but I actually thought the same thing. What made you read that game shiki? Were you doing meta on me?

[Kanna]

UNVOTE:

@Drew; How would you differentiate "casting a shadow" vs scumhunting?

It sounds like you’re casting a shadow over me (and Oka) without even trying to independently verify whether we are town.

[Euphony]

What made you read that game shiki? Were you doing meta on me?

it was of interest to me. i have read some of your games.

[Drew-Sta]

Ok, so this poses an interesting issue. I react with an OMGUS, it looks like scum pretending to be town. I react aggressively and suggest meta on my games is simply coincidence and it looks like scumsplaining. I ignore it, and it looks like scum avoiding the issue.

what do you think your reaction here ^ looks like?

You've painted me into a corner with meta that is about 6 years old (as I've only just started playing again). That's a fairly calculated move.

I think basing your entire case on 6 year old meta then justifying it is... of interest. It sounds like you’re casting a shadow over me (and Oka) without even trying to independently verify whether we are town.

That’s unwise at best and will lead you to tunnel, and cause us problems as town down the track.

With regard to your intentions, casting doubt appears to be your aim. I find that problematic.

you've mentioned the age of those games twice now, as if i would not have used more recent data were it available to me. my intentions were to bring us out of rvs. the two things from rvs i found of most interest were okapoka's seemingly intentional greetings tell and your hello. since my read on okapoka's opening was based almost entirely on menalque's opening this game:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11637050

it seemed better to draw attention to your hello, to see how you and others would react.

For your first question, I answered this in 59?

For your second question, I've mentioned the age because I personally find it odd. What I find most unusual is you haven't done this to anyone else. Can I ask why?

Meta is meta. If you're going to form an opinion on that, I can't stop you, but you seem more interested in what has happened as opposed to what is happening. May I ask why you place great emphasis on meta?

You've also not expressed why you have utilised it. Do you think I am scum because I said hello and that seemingly correlates?

UNVOTE:

@Drew; How would you differentiate "casting a shadow" vs scumhunting?

It sounds like you’re casting a shadow over me (and Oka) without even trying to independently verify whether we are town.

This is opinion, firstly.

It's a case of optics. casting a shadow is calling into question another players allegiance in a negative fashion. This influences how other players (most particularly town) view that player. It colours opinion. I consider it something a mafia player is more likely to do as it shifts attention onto a player with 'evidence' they can stand behind if it ends in a lynch or NK.

Scum hunting is actively trying to work out why a player is doing something and determining their intent. This is a positive behaviour. I consider this something more likely that a town player will do.

[Drew-Sta]

BTW Kanna, casting a shadow is what I think they have done, and I believe you can differentiate.

[Datisi]

ok i see kanna has explained the famous "getting VT claims shrinks the PR pool". thanks.

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Question to anyone familiar with the setup: how different will this be from a different mafia game? In particular I'm not sure how to play around the potential alternate mafia win condition where they win if all commanders are town and they all die, other than that it seems like we don't want the entire command structure to claim.

hello i have played this once. differences are role =/= alignment and all the PRs are in control of one person whose alignment also isn't known so once PRs start claiming their orders that's a fun wifom game.

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shiki, i find it a bit surprising you haven't mentioned my opening (which has been used in multiple games of mine), how come?

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ok, they're casting a shadow. why aren't you voting them then?

[Datisi]

zzz

ok, they're casting a shadow. why aren't you voting them then?

this was @drew if that was unclear

[Drew-Sta]

zzz

ok, they're casting a shadow. why aren't you voting them then?

this was @drew if that was unclear

Honestly? Because I’m genuinely confused at why they would do that straight out of RVS. It makes no sense. This doesn’t benefit them.

I’m still mulling over it.

[Euphony]

What do you mean regarding standing behind evidence if it results in a nightkill, Drew?

Also, why do you assume we can't scumhunt by dropping this meta and seeing how you react to it, in the same vein you'd answer a question that we've asked? It's a shadow, but it's a comforting one, the sort of one you'd relish to find in the middle of the sahara. I've found your reaction so far kinda scummy; your tone completely changed and you think what we've done is anti-town and can't decide whether or not to scumread us for it, but I'm unsure if your reaction would be the same if the meta was about someone else.

In 53 it looks like you're assessing ways scum!you could react and how they'd all look bad, rather than just be honest and disregard it as negligible really old meta like most would do.

€^^* Hectic

[Datisi]

hmmm this game is slow

Hot Takes™:

• kanna and euphony are town
  
• alduskkel is slightly slightly more likely town than random
  
• okapoka has done nothing AI so far
  
• doctorpepper is more likely scum than random

Facts™:

• i am very sad iconeum hasn't posted yet

someone engage me i'm bored and i wanna solve

[Euphony]

Major Datisi!

Why do you think Alduskkel is >rand chance of being town?

(-.¬) _|~~> Hectic

[Datisi]

a combination of gut(tm) and his one (1) post doesn't strike me as tryhard/efforting that i would expect of scum!aldus

perfectly aware this read could be bs but i'm feeling it so

[Euphony]

I think him asking to be metaed is maybe very slightly towny. Talking about the setup is NAI.

Also, I think I have a subconscious >rand townread on him because I've only ever seen him as a mason and his avatar is

radiant.

What do you think of Drew-sta's reaction to the meta?

::^^= Hectic

[Datisi]

i thought i knew the games that aldus played since he came back, i don't remember him rolling mason. what game was that?

honestly? i don't know what i think. i think shiki is towny in what she's doing. i understand drew's possible confusion/frustration because i've been in that exact spot a few games back but i don't know if i can in good faith call his reaction towny. that's sorta why i was hoping to get discussion going on Other Things, i'm haying a mental block with that.

[Euphony]

I can see Drew-Sta being frustrated as town but evaluating ways in which he

could

react and how we might be trying to paint him as scummy no matter what he says feels defensive, instead of just reacting normally. I need to discuss this point with shiki, maybe I'm dumb.

Alduskkel's mason game

++/------- Hectic

[Euphony]

My read on you just completely changed with that avatar-switch.

//£$;''''''''' Hectic

[Euphony]

That jumpscared me. Did you just change it in the last couple of minutes or was I subconsciously seeing it as normal while writing 93 and only later I realised something was off and looked at it properly? Gaslighting is scummy

P¬¬¬ Hectic

[Datisi]

it feels defensive, but again i just can't in good faith slap a read on that one way or the other.

i completely forgot about that game, oops. and ye, i've changed it twice now, i'm trying out different sizes. i want a new avi but i'm not sure exactly which one.

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: alduskkel

lowkey wanna wagon here since ico is vla

come sheep me for candy

[Euphony]

For your first question, I answered this in 59?

my question was:

what do you think your reaction here ^ looks like?

your answer in 59 was:

The point is I’m not. I’m trying to work out why you’d do that and you’re intending to use it for.

it is strange to me that you focused on what your reaction would look like to everyone else, and then when asked what you thought your reaction looked like to us, you said you had already answered that by more or less saying you were wary of my intentions, which does not answer the question.

What I find most unusual is you haven't done this to anyone else. Can I ask why?

while looking over your games i noticed a potentially alignment indicative pattern. i did not notice a comparable pattern in anyone else's posts so far this game.

shiki, i find it a bit surprising you haven't mentioned my opening (which has been used in multiple games of mine), how come?

i am aware that it is a running joke between iconeum, menalque and you. it seemed likely to me that you would have used it regardless of alignment.

[OkaPoka]

shiki i have a lot of games on my wiki why aren't you metaing me babyrage