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[Looker]

• @BM: What did the Mod say?
  • Also, who did you target?

VOTE: Bitmap What do you make of all this?

[Bitmap]

Anyone want to fill me in or do I really have to read all 58 pages?

-bitmap

[Bitmap]

Btw that lynch on Zantetsu yesterday was resisted hardcore. So i got the impression that scum really didn't want to buss or lynch him. Making Riabi suspicious A F.

Ok, yet we still lynched Eve when it was very likely a town slot.

BM town.

I'm comfortable with that. I'll admit, I noticed her 1344 and thought it might be a scumslip, but, I wanted to see other reactions to it.

VOTE: Eve.

but but that was a joke Luca...

it's okay i survived one day phase without being lynched which is all i was aiming for really

I wish there was more context to this - you make it sound like scum that's given up.

I'm comfortable with that. I'll admit, I noticed her 1344 and thought it might be a scumslip, but, I wanted to see other reactions to it.

VOTE: Eve.

What would be the point of reaction-testing if she doesn't have any partners?

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• @Battle Mage: You being PT Cop is why I'm not excluding scum neighborizer. And also, I assume a single-man PT still counts as a PT?

VOTE: Eve

These two votes were very opportunistic. Last scum is one of these two imo.

[Bitmap]

VOTE: Looker

[Battle Mage]

• @BM: What did the Mod say?
  • Also, who did you target?

VOTE: Bitmap What do you make of all this?

Ah I didn't ask! I'll ask now...

I targeted Riabi last night.

[Battle Mage]

Anyone want to fill me in or do I really have to read all 58 pages?

-bitmap

The main things to note are the final scum is either you or Riabi. Looker is confirmed town.

[Battle Mage]

This is why I think it's Riabi:

On re-read, Zant's behaviour to Riabi stands out much more:

Because of my absence, I'm a bit rusty, and I'm not sure I understand the logic of hardclaiming a Mason so early. Would someone mind explaining that to me?

Until I have a better understanding of that

VOTE: Saudade

Is that the third vote on a shitwagon?
VOTE: Riabi

There were two posts on that wagon already though. Why did you pick Riabi to vote? If Riabi hand't voted, would you have voted either of the other players on the sh**wagon? If Riabi leaves the wagon, will you vote one of the other two?

Defending Riabi.

Also Riabi - Norwegian is not only voting you, he's actively encouraging others to vote you. You have not even interacted with him. Why not?

Coaching Riabi.

Here is the vote progression on proffi:

Una (L-6)
Una - Luca (L-5)
Una - Luca- Norwegian (L-4)
Una - Luca - Norwegian - Anotora (L-3)
Una - Luca - Norwegian - Anotora - Exig (L-2)
Luca - Norwegian - Anatora - Exig (L-3)
Luca - Norwegian - Anotora - Exig - Riabi (L-2)
Luca - Norwegian - Anotora - Exig - Riabi - Battle Mage (L - 1)
Luca - Anotora - Exig - Riabi - Battle Mage (L - 2)
Anotora - Exig - Riabi - Battle Mage (L - 3)
Exig - Riabi - Battle Mage (L - 4)


Several people have used false reasoning based on incorrect vote counts on the profii wagon:

- Battle Mage falsely claimed L-1 and asked for a claim from profii
- profii answered the claim without ever questioning the need to since he was not actually at L-1
- Anotora falsely implied that profii was in danger of being hammered by me when profii was actually at L-3 and used that as justification to get off of the profii wagon

I really don't know what to make of all of this. Any of the three could be using intentional miscounts of the votes to advance some agenda but very unlikely all three are (which would require all to be scum).

My read of profii is "too scummy to be scum" at this point. His flailing in posts 134 - 201 were very scummy but his subsequent posts have been a lot better. The good news is that wagon progression I think gives us a lot of data going forward.

At this point I'm not on board with a lynch of profii or UnaBombaH today specifically because of their 'weird associations' as Luca put it.

No comment whatsoever on Riabi in terms of suspiciousness, despite being very suspicious of me for being the L-1 vote, and Riabi was L-2.

Looker, please give at least one reason why anyone should be voting Riabi.

Defending Riabi.

Do you think I'm scum?

1: You answered my question with another question.
2: That question doesn't answer my own question.

OK well the answer is, I am not entirely sure. There are 10 other players in the game I could focus on besides profii and Una and I expect to change my focus frequently going forward. Furthermore, if I have suspicions of players it is hardly to my benefit to pre-state them as you are requesting I do and if you think I am town I don't even see why you would want me to do that. At this point I have a town read on you but I think you have a scum read on me.

I had you as leaning town until this post. Isn't the entire point of the game to discuss who we have suspicions of and why? If you were to place all the players in this game on a spectrum from for-sure-scum to for-sure-town, can you tell us who would be closest to for-sure-scum, even if they aren't very close?

Sure I can. But that's not the question you asked previously, or at least that's not what I thought you were asking. The question "where EXACTLY do you want to focus" is a very different question to me than "what are your reads". The former implies that I can only answer with certainty and like I said I do not have certainty at this point.

Anyway, all that aside here are the players I am leaning town on:

Luca
Norwegian
Egix
UnaBombaH
profii

Here are the players I am leaning scum on:

Anotora
Battle Mage
Churros

The rest are basically null.

Again, Riabi conspicuous by absence from either list given the amount of effort Zant put into defending and coaching him early on.

I think it's pretty unlikely there wouldn't be at least 1 scum in your townleans Zantetsu. Which leads to my next point, you give townreads away too easily. That still doesn't mean i believe you are likely to be mafia yourself. I just don't agree with you.

Just looking at the profii wagon.

I think you and Luca are town because all your reasoning was good on the way to getting profii to L-2. He was acting super scummy once the wagon was on him, he was putting out every contradictory reason possible to save himself, but then when he started making better posts, you guys backed down in a way that seems very "appropriately cautious". profii didn't claim a power role which would have been the logical thing for scum!profii to do if he really thought his lynch was imminent. He didn't even double check his vote count and notice that he wasn't really at L-1. All of this adds up to a town lean on all three players for me.

egix hasn't posted a lot but I have liked his through process in the posts he has made. He got on the profii wagon at a time that I thought it made sense. And all of his subsequent posts I just liked. But the amount of content there is not enough for me to feel as confident as I do about the others in my town list.

UnaBombaH I have a theory about. Maybe my theory is wrong. But he has said things. I can point them out but really they are there for anyone re-reading his ISO to see.

Anotora I am weakly scum reading most because it is so hard for me to believe that They really believed Saudade's mason claim, then believed profii's fake counter-claim. That seems disingenuous. Also the fact that They so transparently followed Luca and Norwegian onto and off of the profii wagon. And finally, the casting shade so heavily at me - claiming I was rolefishing, but then not even caring that Battle Mage fished a claim out of profii when profii was not even L-1. But Anotora also has a very low post count and low content production so this is admittedly a pretty weak read.

Battle Mage it just feels inconsistent to me that he'd put as much effort into reading and forming theories and then not even vote count well enough to see that profii really was at L-2. Also I can't shake the feeling that Battle Mage is playing scum like I played it the first few times - just really try-hard and casting shade everywhere. And all those smileys ...

And Churros I didn't like how he immediately town read Norwegian for almost no reason. But this is just gut feel and he hasn't posted hardly anything so super weak read here.

This is pretty bad - gives reads on everyone on Proffi wagon... except Riabi for some reason.

If there’s a vig you’re the ideal target anyway given your claim.

I’m actually wondering if Profii/Una is s/s after all. Such weird interactions.

Early game Luca irked me

Right now I'm just nodding my head vigorously

I recommend to include Riabi on the list as well, his Saudade read isn't consistent, it kinda fluctuates from "must lynch" to "I want him to talk" with no reason.

It's not actually inconsistent. I think he's anti-town, and that's enough reason in my book to lynch someone early, regardless of alignment. That said, that doesn't mean I won't also vote to lynch someone I find worse/more scummy.

Riabi you've been popping in with very noncommittal statements all game.

You need to post a reads list and give some real original thoughts for your reads.

Some more coaching. It's almost cute...

[Bitmap]

Anyone want to fill me in or do I really have to read all 58 pages?

-bitmap

The main things to note are the final scum is either you or Riabi. Looker is confirmed town.

Why is Looker confirmed town?

[Riabi]

Anyone want to fill me in or do I really have to read all 58 pages?

-bitmap

The main things to note are the final scum is either you or Riabi. Looker is confirmed town.

Or you? I don't remember you being confirmed anywhere.

Also, re: your case against me, maybe look up "buddying" in the wiki? Zan seems to have gotten you pretty hard with that.

[Battle Mage]

Anyone want to fill me in or do I really have to read all 58 pages?

-bitmap

The main things to note are the final scum is either you or Riabi. Looker is confirmed town.

Why is Looker confirmed town?

Eve confirmed he was vanilla, and scum have a roleblocker.

[Battle Mage]

Anyone want to fill me in or do I really have to read all 58 pages?

-bitmap

The main things to note are the final scum is either you or Riabi. Looker is confirmed town.

Or you? I don't remember you being confirmed anywhere.

Also, re: your case against me, maybe look up "buddying" in the wiki? Zan seems to have gotten you pretty hard with that.

Firstly, I know I'm town so I'm not going to list myself as a suspect.

Secondly, I reckon I'm less confirmed town than Luca and Looker, but more confirmed town than you and Bitmap. In hindsight, I'd be a lot more confirmed town now if I hadn't claimed and could have had more than 1 hit, but we are where we are!

Although I can see your game here, as you're trying to line up multiple suspects as it probably isn't LyLo today, and if you've been blocking me it leaves me vulnerable to being discredited.

[Bitmap]

Anyone want to fill me in or do I really have to read all 58 pages?

-bitmap

The main things to note are the final scum is either you or Riabi. Looker is confirmed town.

Why is Looker confirmed town?

Eve confirmed he was vanilla, and scum have a roleblocker.

Cool. If Looker is scum, I'll blame you and Eve post-game. FB asked me to sub in but don't expect me to be super tryhard.

VOTE: Riabi

[Bitmap]

Did anyone get a message from Eve last night?

I didn't.

[Riabi]

i think Battle Mage is scum and checking Churros instead of anyone useful is really scummy - especially given how much Churros and i kinda made it obvious there was something going in there yesterday

VOTE: Battle Mage

This is good enough for me.

VOTE: Battle Mage

Did anyone get a message from Eve last night?

I didn't.

Do you mean night before last? As in, the night before she was lynched? Looker claimed to have been brought into a neighborhood and Eve confirmed that she brought him in that night.

[Bitmap]

Did anyone get a message from Eve last night?

I didn't.

Do you mean night before last? As in, the night before she was lynched? Looker claimed to have been brought into a neighborhood and Eve confirmed that she brought him in that night.

I see.

[Bitmap]

Oh, I mean did anyone get a message from Oka. Sorry, there's a lot of neighbor roles.

[Battle Mage]

i think Battle Mage is scum and checking Churros instead of anyone useful is really scummy - especially given how much Churros and i kinda made it obvious there was something going in there yesterday

VOTE: Battle Mage

This is good enough for me.

VOTE: Battle Mage

That was from the start of the previous dayphase. You didn't give it a moment's thought then, so why now? Other than the convenience of an excuse to vote for me. Nor does it give a justification for voting for me (it's an example of why we wrongly lynched Eve yesterday).

Did anyone get a message from Eve last night?

I didn't.

Do you mean night before last? As in, the night before she was lynched? Looker claimed to have been brought into a neighborhood and Eve confirmed that she brought him in that night.

I didn't get a message from Egix/Okapoka either.

[Riabi]

i think Battle Mage is scum and checking Churros instead of anyone useful is really scummy - especially given how much Churros and i kinda made it obvious there was something going in there yesterday

VOTE: Battle Mage

This is good enough for me.

VOTE: Battle Mage

That was from the start of the previous dayphase. You didn't give it a moment's thought then, so why now? Other than the convenience of an excuse to vote for me. Nor does it give a justification for voting for me (it's an example of why we wrongly lynched Eve yesterday).

But we have more info now, included in that info is the fact that that Eve wasn't scum. Also, since you so rightly pointed out that the remaining scum is likely a PR, that kinda makes you more likely to be scum than me.

No, I didn't get a message from Egix/Oka.

[Luca Blight]

VOTE: Riabi

[Riabi]

VOTE: Riabi

Because?.....

[Luca Blight]

I said it all yesterday.

Were you scum?

[Firebringer]

Vote Count 5.01 Final

Riabi [LYNCHED]: Battle Mage, Bitmap, Luca Blight
Bitmap (1): Looker
Battle Mage (1): Riabi,

Not Voting (0):

Time Until Deadline (expired on 2020-05-09 00:00:00)
With 5 Alive, It Takes 3 to Lynch.

[Firebringer]

Flavor: Riabi was caught taking food from the breakroom. So Riabi has been canned.

*whispers in background*

What? You are telling me we don't have a breakroom anymore? That was Riabis kitchen!?!?!?!?

Well....Riabi should have offered his food to everyone else. So he has been fired for being selfish.

Spoiler: Riabi Role Flip

Town

Welcome,

Riabi

, you are a

Vanilla Townie

.

Abilities:

• During the day, you can vote and talk
• You do nothing special.

Win condition:

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and there is at least one town player alive.

Night Phase Ends Once All Actions Are Received

[Firebringer]

Flavor: Another day another dollar. I received a letter of resignation from an employee but I threw it in the trash because I don't accept resignations. I only accept death certificates.

Spoiler: Role Flip

Town

Welcome,

Luca Blight

, you are a

Neighbor

.

Abilities:

• During the day, you can vote and talk
• You have a neighborhood [Redacted] with 72offsuit.

Win condition:

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and there is at least one town player alive.

[Firebringer]

Vote Count 6.00

Not Voting (3): Battle Mage, Bitmap, Looker

Time Until Deadline (expired on 2020-05-11 13:00:00)
With 3 Alive, It Takes 2 to Lynch.