Jigsaw's Revenge - Game Over

Battle Mage · Post Post #1150 (ISO) » Sat Apr 25, 2020 12:39 pm

In post 1147, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 159, pisskop wrote:So far we know there are two hoods. If you also dont know who is in your hood than it sounds like scum could well be in them or watching them. Why else would we not know our hoodmates?
The full quote in context seems far more rhetorical to me. I don't see this as you say.

In fairness, that wasn't the only instance where he did it. We can agree to disagree.

Battle Mage · Post Post #1151 (ISO) » Sat Apr 25, 2020 12:39 pm

In post 1149, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 1126, Battle Mage wrote:Momo is MODERATE SCUM - Hard to really quantify, mostly a strong gut feeling. I just get super scummy vibes from his posting, including the wording used. Something to meta later. Could definitely see him as scum with Danyboy. And potentially with VaultDweller
Tell me more

I asked you first for your view on him.

Hectic · Post Post #1152 (ISO) » Sat Apr 25, 2020 12:40 pm

In post 1144, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 1141, Hectic wrote:
In post 1134, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 1124, Hectic wrote: Sigh, I guess we'll find out. I'm actually gonna go back on Elsa for now. Want him to come back and wow us.

Battle Mage being really friendly is completely NAI nowadays btw. He just has that star quality about him now. Would be the protagonist if Gamma didn't exist.

VOTE: Elsa Jay

I have no idea what you mean above. Please explain, preferably with reference to any games of mine you have been in, or read? Otherwise I may vote you for outright making stuff up.
It's on an alt. Can't say more

You are allowed to say who your alts are...

Does anyone else know who Hectic's alts are?

I don't want to out them. You can just take my word for playing with you on an alt and metaing you in said game, and seeing you're acting like this in all your games right now.

Hectic · Post Post #1153 (ISO) » Sat Apr 25, 2020 12:41 pm

In post 1146, Battle Mage wrote:Hectic - if you're town, quit fooling around and vote Momo, or at least discuss his play to date, and my comments on Pisskop.

I'll go have a look at him now!

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #1154 (ISO) » Sat Apr 25, 2020 12:42 pm

In post 1151, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 1149, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 1126, Battle Mage wrote:Momo is MODERATE SCUM - Hard to really quantify, mostly a strong gut feeling. I just get super scummy vibes from his posting, including the wording used. Something to meta later. Could definitely see him as scum with Danyboy. And potentially with VaultDweller
Tell me more
I asked you first for your view on him.

It depends. He should be easier to figure out tomorrow in any case.

Hectic · Post Post #1155 (ISO) » Sat Apr 25, 2020 12:42 pm

In post 236, Hectic wrote:I'm in a PT with

Pine
momo - attack on the bat is so weird it's town, but depends on meta
Morning Tweet - maybe towny but might just be tone
Elsa Jay - awkward entrance, Bambi could be scum
Gamma Emerald - our savior and the protagonist of this story
VaultDweller
Vecna
iDanyboy - probably town
GeorgeBailey - GeorgeBailey
Drixx
davesaz - bit off
farside
Battle Mage - who knows with this guy
BBmolla
GuiltyLion - i will sheep GeorgeBailey
pisskop - natural and healthy
Albert B. Rampage - i reserve judgement for now
Almost50 - disliked joke response to my question, pointing out "crumb"
xtoxm - okay push on farside
Blake Belladonna - Hello.

Battle Mage, hence my "who knows with his guy" early on.

farside22 · Post Post #1156 (ISO) » Sat Apr 25, 2020 12:43 pm

In post 1151, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 1149, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 1126, Battle Mage wrote:Momo is MODERATE SCUM - Hard to really quantify, mostly a strong gut feeling. I just get super scummy vibes from his posting, including the wording used. Something to meta later. Could definitely see him as scum with Danyboy. And potentially with VaultDweller
Tell me more
I asked you first for your view on him.

I know this isn't directed at me, but he's had all of a few post. Made a few cases and blended into the background.
I just have him a a meh read right now.

Battle Mage · Post Post #1157 (ISO) » Sat Apr 25, 2020 12:43 pm

In post 1152, Hectic wrote:
In post 1144, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 1141, Hectic wrote:
In post 1134, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 1124, Hectic wrote: Sigh, I guess we'll find out. I'm actually gonna go back on Elsa for now. Want him to come back and wow us.

Battle Mage being really friendly is completely NAI nowadays btw. He just has that star quality about him now. Would be the protagonist if Gamma didn't exist.

VOTE: Elsa Jay

I have no idea what you mean above. Please explain, preferably with reference to any games of mine you have been in, or read? Otherwise I may vote you for outright making stuff up.
It's on an alt. Can't say more

You are allowed to say who your alts are...

Does anyone else know who Hectic's alts are?
I don't want to out them. You can just take my word for playing with you on an alt and metaing you in said game, and seeing you're acting like this in all your games right now.

Hectic, the point really is, your meta on me is wrong. like completely, factually inaccurate. So I don't understand how that could have come to pass, although understanding who your alt is might give me more of a sense of whether you are being honest in your view or not. And obviously it would help with reading you in general.

And respectfully, I think you need all the help you can get at the moment.

Battle Mage · Post Post #1158 (ISO) » Sat Apr 25, 2020 12:44 pm

In post 1156, farside22 wrote:
In post 1151, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 1149, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 1126, Battle Mage wrote:Momo is MODERATE SCUM - Hard to really quantify, mostly a strong gut feeling. I just get super scummy vibes from his posting, including the wording used. Something to meta later. Could definitely see him as scum with Danyboy. And potentially with VaultDweller
Tell me more
I asked you first for your view on him.
I know this isn't directed at me, but he's had all of a few post. Made a few cases and blended into the background.
I just have him a a meh read right now.

That is useful feedback, but there's a reason I directed the question to ABR specifically, so I do hope he answers.

Battle Mage · Post Post #1159 (ISO) » Sat Apr 25, 2020 12:46 pm

In post 1154, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 1151, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 1149, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 1126, Battle Mage wrote:Momo is MODERATE SCUM - Hard to really quantify, mostly a strong gut feeling. I just get super scummy vibes from his posting, including the wording used. Something to meta later. Could definitely see him as scum with Danyboy. And potentially with VaultDweller
Tell me more
I asked you first for your view on him.
It depends. He should be easier to figure out tomorrow in any case.

Everyone will be easier to figure out tomorrow. I'll be helpful and rephrase - why do you think Momo is town? why would he not be a good lynch today?

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #1160 (ISO) » Sat Apr 25, 2020 12:46 pm

Where scum kills tonight will inform my opinion on momo. It's hard to say anything else when he's voting scum Hectic with me.

Battle Mage · Post Post #1161 (ISO) » Sat Apr 25, 2020 12:54 pm

Does Pine give you wood?

Hectic · Post Post #1162 (ISO) » Sat Apr 25, 2020 12:56 pm

Our intermittent side-character, Momo:

157 - Setup spec. NAI.
184 - Completely bizarre. Initially thought it was too out there to be scum, but then reconsidered that he could be aware of that, and the calculated way he pushes it makes it a little more scummy.
214 - I thought these questions were pretty reasonable.
221 - Changes his mind about Morning. Can come from scum or town. If he's scum, I don't think he intended to actually push Morning and accumulate votes, but get townread for the push, so this is probably NAI.
263 - Feels really political in a way, and seems to over-justify himself in scumreading Elsa Jay. Kinda scummy.
270 - Over justifies his reasoning for voting Elsa Jay, explaining philosophy of furthering the gamestate during Day 1. I mean, I don't disagree, but the roundabout way he explains his thought process and tries to keep his posts as airtight as possible does seem scummy, like he's afraid of leaving any cracks open.
324 - Disagree with reasoning voting Dany.
676 - Votes/pushes me while I'm V/LA and unable to contribute.
1099 - Pops in to disagree with me on a holistic take on how scum act in certain situations. It's safe to comment on and puts no focus on the wagon on me or Albert's push on me, despite being the first to actually scumread/vote me for entirely different reasons.

I'm fine with voting here for now. I have problems with the tone too, but I'm entirely unsure if that's a playstyle thing.

VOTE: momo

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #1163 (ISO) » Sat Apr 25, 2020 12:58 pm

Drixx what do you think? Momo or Hectic, which one?

Hectic · Post Post #1164 (ISO) » Sat Apr 25, 2020 12:58 pm

In post 1157, Battle Mage wrote:Hectic, the point really is, your meta on me is wrong. like completely, factually inaccurate. So I don't understand how that could have come to pass, although understanding who your alt is might give me more of a sense of whether you are being honest in your view or not. And obviously it would help with reading you in general.

And respectfully, I think you need all the help you can get at the moment.

I mean, I appreciate that, but I'm not outing my alt for this game. Also, the other game is ongoing so I technically shouldn't have brought it up in the first place. Bit of a plot hole there.

Battle Mage · Post Post #1165 (ISO) » Sat Apr 25, 2020 12:59 pm

In post 1162, Hectic wrote:
Our intermittent side-character, Momo:

157 - Setup spec. NAI.
184 - Completely bizarre. Initially thought it was too out there to be scum, but then reconsidered that he could be aware of that, and the calculated way he pushes it makes it a little more scummy.
214 - I thought these questions were pretty reasonable.
221 - Changes his mind about Morning. Can come from scum or town. If he's scum, I don't think he intended to actually push Morning and accumulate votes, but get townread for the push, so this is probably NAI.
263 - Feels really political in a way, and seems to over-justify himself in scumreading Elsa Jay. Kinda scummy.
270 - Over justifies his reasoning for voting Elsa Jay, explaining philosophy of furthering the gamestate during Day 1. I mean, I don't disagree, but the roundabout way he explains his thought process and tries to keep his posts as airtight as possible does seem scummy, like he's afraid of leaving any cracks open.
324 - Disagree with reasoning voting Dany.
676 - Votes/pushes me while I'm V/LA and unable to contribute.
1099 - Pops in to disagree with me on a holistic take on how scum act in certain situations. It's safe to comment on and puts no focus on the wagon on me or Albert's push on me, despite being the first to actually scumread/vote me for entirely different reasons.

I'm fine with voting here for now. I have problems with the tone too, but I'm entirely unsure if that's a playstyle thing.

VOTE: momo

Nice work

Battle Mage · Post Post #1166 (ISO) » Sat Apr 25, 2020 1:00 pm

In post 1163, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Drixx what do you think? Momo or Hectic, which one?

Drixx is on team BM!

If he knows what's good for him...

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #1167 (ISO) » Sat Apr 25, 2020 1:02 pm

So we're just going to ignore Hectic's meta on you?

ISO · Post Post #1168 (ISO) » Sat Apr 25, 2020 1:03 pm

In post 1125, Hectic wrote:
In post 1111, Hectic wrote:
In post 1102, Morning Tweet wrote:ABR or hectic might be scum-- not sure there yet

i was promised something exciting, BM! unless i missed it
Do you see people's reasons for calling me an Acolyte? It sounds like cutting corners and poor storytelling to me!

Morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

no i didnt see you do something specifically scummy, but i havent gotten my TR on you yet either :c The interaction between u and ABR i just think could be telling

@ABR wasn't there like, two people voting dave at that point? It wasn't going places like you make it out to have been. and you do like your reaction tests, cant i naked vote xtom if id like to?

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #1169 (ISO) » Sat Apr 25, 2020 1:05 pm

In post 1168, Morning Tweet wrote:ABR wasn't there like, two people voting dave at that point? It wasn't going places like you make it out to have been. and you do like your reaction tests, cant i naked vote xtom if id like to?

I think you and GL are allergic to big wagons.

Battle Mage · Post Post #1170 (ISO) » Sat Apr 25, 2020 1:06 pm

In post 1167, Albert B. Rampage wrote:So we're just going to ignore Hectic's meta on you?

To be honest boss, I was only dicking around.

He was wrong about the meta, but I don't really see much motive to lie about it as scum, think he is probably just wrong.

I'm digging a Momo-lynch today, and if you don't think this is an informative and productive avenue to try, you're lying to yourself!

Battle Mage · Post Post #1171 (ISO) » Sat Apr 25, 2020 1:07 pm

In post 1168, Morning Tweet wrote:
In post 1125, Hectic wrote:
In post 1111, Hectic wrote:
In post 1102, Morning Tweet wrote:ABR or hectic might be scum-- not sure there yet

i was promised something exciting, BM! unless i missed it
Do you see people's reasons for calling me an Acolyte? It sounds like cutting corners and poor storytelling to me!

Morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

no i didnt see you do something specifically scummy, but i havent gotten my TR on you yet either :c The interaction between u and ABR i just think could be telling

@ABR wasn't there like, two people voting dave at that point? It wasn't going places like you make it out to have been. and you do like your reaction tests, cant i naked vote xtom if id like to?

I promise if we lynch Momo today, we can lynch xtoxm tomorrow - deal?

ISO · Post Post #1172 (ISO) » Sat Apr 25, 2020 1:10 pm

In post 1169, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 1168, Morning Tweet wrote:ABR wasn't there like, two people voting dave at that point? It wasn't going places like you make it out to have been. and you do like your reaction tests, cant i naked vote xtom if id like to?
I think you and GL are allergic to big wagons.

Making a point for someone being scum (or intentionally saying nothing), then placing a few votes is enough for a reaction of some kind. you dont need to have L-1, critical hammer pressure every single wagon.

i get that you want to make a bunch of wagons that might go through, so you can draw associatives from who was willing to join and whatnot, but it seems a little unrealistic to me

pisskop · Post Post #1173 (ISO) » Sat Apr 25, 2020 1:13 pm

In post 1137, Battle Mage wrote:It explicitly implies he is in a hood.

youre right. I did intentionally imply I might be in a hood. And as albert says, I did consistently say so to maintain that ambiguity. And futhermore, I did so when I knew people would state their hoodmates.

pisskop · Post Post #1174 (ISO) » Sat Apr 25, 2020 1:14 pm

In post 1148, Battle Mage wrote:I also had that thought, but if you wanted to maintain ambiguity you could either:

You ever hear of trying too hard?