Newbie 1996: GAME OVER

[3bounty]

Btw I am all for HEM or Holden lynch over Kirari but good luck convincing Yooh and LL lol.

[Kirari Momobami]

Yooh is being replaced... There is no reason to sit on me if you don't want me

[Kirari Momobami]

The scenario above on lylo ^ is basically a loss.

LL, Kirari, and Yooh are more likely to be NK'd than the three of us. Personally, I think it's a better scenario than LYLO where town!Kirari is one of the participants.

LL will be killed tonight. Lylo will have the same playerlist alive right now but with 3bounty or Kirari on it, depending on who will be the lynch.

I kinda think one of you and Holden are scum with HEM and have been shielding him and he's probably the actual best redflip chance but it kinda doesn't matter since if that's the case the game is just unwinnable before yooh replacement is resolved

So according to you there's four scum left in game. Me, Yoooh, HEM, one of Clidd/Holden. And so far it seems only you are low key opposing the LL claim. You're the mafia goon. When you're ready to tell us who role blocker is let me know.

I actually would agree, before replacement there probably were four scum in the game

Now we're down to three

anyway sarcasm aside this was a terrible post

[clidd]

The way to break his tunnel is to inform him that he's actually scummier than me despite claim. Once he no longer perceives himself as a UTR and no longer can hide behind his claim, he might feel compelled to start playing the game again. Given he already spent this day lying about his read of me, he seems to recognize the value of political reads. So people should be saying LL is scum here even if they think he's town and even if they would never lynch him tomorrow.

Didn't you just destroy your tactic after verbalizing this?

Honestly, I'm getting the vibe that this isn't sincere. I'm reading this more as a way to excuse yourself from your attempt to steer the town towards a state in which we think LL is scum. Notably, after everyone thinks you're scum for this.

The more Kirari stays with us, the more my read on her degrades. If clidd is right about scum being on two wagons at once, I'm imagining it could be in town!3bounty's wagon.

Now I understand why clidd is having a hard time.

I can understand his view about not liking your instance on Luciano, as there are strong chances that Luciano's claim is true. In this context, even if the PR is acting strange or unilateral, it is not wise to imply that he can be scum, mainly because of the way you approached his read before this post (where you accused him of playing against the chances of victory alignment). The interpretation of whether or not you are encouraging the impression that Luciano is scum is something plausible, considering the clash you had with him previously.

[clidd]

i'm good with either a 3bounty and a kirari lynch and i'm not gonna be surprised if both are scum in the end.

No, they aren't partners. There was an effort to raise a second wagon, which is illogical unless the scumteam wanted it to happen.

[Kirari Momobami]

dude clidd

Luciano is real

It's just fucking dumb that no one gave an iota of thought to confirming his claim since that might have actually been townie

[clidd]

Hum.

[Kirari Momobami]

Like you get that both scum just immediately accepted his claim with 0 thought right?

If he was scum his buddy would have done theater around the claim in confirming him and to sell it

That literally everyone immediately accepted the claim locks him as real

I was addressing the argument since he never ever dies tonight so when he is still alive tomorrow I don't want people getting confused and doubting him then

That people think I am trying to get him lynched when that is my argument is fucking INSANE

[clidd]

No, I don't buy that.

The question would be -> Why would he do a hardtunnel on the player that he announced that it did not visit anyone instead of faking a guilty on someone ?

[Kirari Momobami]

You don't buy what?

[clidd]

I can't disagree with thoughts that haven't been expressed.

I gave reads, you can agree or disagree with the reads. Screaming for reasoning is scummy

If you disagree with the read, then you can explain why you disagree. I'm not going to explain every read on every player in a 50 player game unless someone actually thinks it's worth disagreeing with me on something specific.

Do you want to write up explanations on every player that has posted so far? Why don't you do a full 50-player detailed reads list on day one?

No? You're not going to do that because it's an insane and stupid fucking request? huh, how about that

Does that remind you of anything ?

[clidd]

You don't buy what?

Your theory of him being a scum. Doesn't make any sense in my opinion.

[Kirari Momobami]

You don't buy what?

Your theory of him being a scum. Doesn't make any sense in my opinion.

...I just fucking said he was town

What theory of him being scum?

[Kirari Momobami]

I'm not sure what you're alluding to with the drixx post

[clidd]

You don't buy what?

Your theory of him being a scum. Doesn't make any sense in my opinion.

...I just fucking said he was town

What theory of him being scum?

Well, English is my third language, but that was my interpretation of your post.

[clidd]

If you can rephrase it, maybe I understand what you want to suggest.

[Kirari Momobami]

I said the gamestate confirms he is real and that I'm preventing his mislynch in 5-way and you think I'm scumreading him? I don't know how you can misunderstand the post that much but okay

Scum want to:
A) not break lucky's tunnel
B) not break lucky's tunnel
And
C) not break lucky's tunnel

For this reason they *full ignored his slot*

That *no one* even bothered to ask about his crumb other than me completely confirms he is town because scum if they had the smallest iota of interest in pushing him would at least pretend to be interested in verifying his claim

They have been playing to be as hands off with lucky as possible and that only happens if he is scum and basically their top wincondition

People keep saying he dies tonight when lucky being alive is how they win the game lol

He would only ever die if we hit roleblocker

[Kirari Momobami]

You did catch that the superlarge was multiball right?

[Kirari Momobami]

ebwop: if he is town and their top wincondition

[clidd]

I'm not sure what you're alluding to with the drixx post

I was trying to do a reaction test, didn't work.

[clidd]

I said the gamestate confirms he is real and that I'm preventing his mislynch in 5-way and you think I'm scumreading him? I don't know how you can misunderstand the post that much but okay

Scum want to:
A) not break lucky's tunnel
B) not break lucky's tunnel
And
C) not break lucky's tunnel

For this reason they *full ignored his slot*

That *no one* even bothered to ask about his crumb other than me completely confirms he is town because scum if they had the smallest iota of interest in pushing him would at least pretend to be interested in verifying his claim

They have been playing to be as hands off with lucky as possible and that only happens if he is scum and basically their top wincondition

People keep saying he dies tonight when lucky being alive is how they win the game lol

He would only ever die if we hit roleblocker

Ok, give me a moment.

[Kirari Momobami]

In general multiball games are not good reference points for scum meta

I was hit by the SK that game for being too town lol

[3bounty]

Kirari just admitted Yoooh was town.

[clidd]

I said the gamestate confirms he is real and that I'm preventing his mislynch in 5-way and you think I'm scumreading him? I don't know how you can misunderstand the post that much but okay

Scum want to:
A) not break lucky's tunnel
B) not break lucky's tunnel
And
C) not break lucky's tunnel

For this reason they *full ignored his slot*

That *no one* even bothered to ask about his crumb other than me completely confirms he is town because scum if they had the smallest iota of interest in pushing him would at least pretend to be interested in verifying his claim

They have been playing to be as hands off with lucky as possible and that only happens if he is scum and basically their top wincondition

People keep saying he dies tonight when lucky being alive is how they win the game lol

He would only ever die if we hit roleblocker

Yes, I agree that the gamestate suggests that his claim is real, but I don't know how it implies that you are preventing his mislynch.

His tunnel on you has a certain *origin* from your playstyle, but it does not take into account your reaction/progression when you was close to being lynched. These two points are enough to divide opinions, so it is not only linked to the scumteam scenario to be interested in lynching you, as you are not an easy slot to read at the moment.

Hum, ok.

It would have made more sense for our playerlist to question the truth of his claim if we were playing with a little more experienced players, but we are in a Newbie game, so most here are still learning about the mechanics in this setup, so it is not possible to demand a judicious posture about that.

What do you mean by

''They have been playing to be as hands off with lucky''

?

It is still highly likely that he will die overnight.

Even if we don't lynch the roleblocker today, leaving a PR alive the next day is basically underestimate Lucky's assistance on lynch's decision tomorrow. I don't see it happening.

[clidd]

Kirari just admitted Yoooh was town.