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Post Post #1250 (ISO) » Sun Apr 26, 2020 6:41 am

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For posterity:

On a very serious note, I've just read Momo's ISO in 2 completed games where he was town. I'd describe him as bullish, a bit bossy, and fancying himself as the town leader (and slightly lazy - no offence!).

In contrast, his play here has been uncertain, with appeals to everybody else and using phrases like "honestly" and "genuine question" (neither of which formed part of his vocabulary in those town-games). Hectic has also realised and highlighted that, so gets upgraded to a Town-Lean for actually doing legit scumhunting.

Meta-cases are tricky because people change as time passes, but I don't think it's that common for somebody to go from being an authoritative and decisive town-leader, to a whimpering pleading town-passenger.

Momo is scum
, and if you don't vote him, you're a dum-dum. The prosecution rests. :cop:
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Post Post #1251 (ISO) » Sun Apr 26, 2020 6:53 am

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Yeah, that's the tone thing I found scummy but struggled to articulate earlier.

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Post Post #1252 (ISO) » Sun Apr 26, 2020 7:28 am

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Where tf did xtoxm go?
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Post Post #1253 (ISO) » Sun Apr 26, 2020 7:29 am

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BM do us all a favor and don't repost to get pagetop.
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Post Post #1254 (ISO) » Sun Apr 26, 2020 7:31 am

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ok a50, for you
VOTE: hectic
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Post Post #1255 (ISO) » Sun Apr 26, 2020 7:34 am

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In post 1252, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Where tf did xtoxm go?
to lurk, now leave me be ty
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Post Post #1256 (ISO) » Sun Apr 26, 2020 7:48 am

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Why are you lurking?
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Post Post #1257 (ISO) » Sun Apr 26, 2020 7:52 am

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In post 1253, Albert B. Rampage wrote:BM do us all a favor and don't repost to get pagetop.
I'm doing everybody a big favour by making it as clear as possible who should be lynched. I think we're getting lots more info from having 2 competing wagons than just 1 anyway, so this good-cop/bad-cop act is working great! :D
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Post Post #1258 (ISO) » Sun Apr 26, 2020 7:53 am

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of course we'll get a lot more info from lynching momo, because we can look with increased suspicion at those who have shown up, ignored the case, and to their credit, gone against the momentum of the game to join the hectic wagon. Elsa and Xtoxm both looking a bit worse if Momo flips red.
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Post Post #1259 (ISO) » Sun Apr 26, 2020 8:04 am

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In post 1256, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Why are you lurking?
Because he's scum and doing his best show no info when he flips scum.
Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.
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Post Post #1260 (ISO) » Sun Apr 26, 2020 8:07 am

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Detective Detetic Detective here, slightly befuddled.

I'm confused by the nonchalant and apathetic way people are voting me. They can't have been convinced by something either since there's no case out there for why I'm scum. Some of them have got to be scum. Is Jigsaw railroading me here? I thought he had better plot devices than that.

When should I be thinking about claiming?

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Post Post #1261 (ISO) » Sun Apr 26, 2020 8:09 am

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Updated my reads list:

Almost50 is TOWN - meta
Drixx is TOWN - open post reveal of hood, and subsequent near-obsession with hood, as well as general inquisitive tone reads strongly town.
Blake Belladonna is PROBABLY TOWN - meta
ABR is MODERATE TOWN - My head says probably town given his personality, the way he has stepped up to lead things, and the way people have reacted to it - in real time definitely felt like a panic-moment for scum. In my heart, I'm less sure, but clearly not a lynch in the short term.
Vecna is TOWN LEAN - just lots of good townie vibes from his posts so far. Falsely alleged I claimed scum, then ran off, so down-graded from moderate town.
Gamma Emerald is TOWN LEAN - marginal, but townie vibes from ISO so far.
BBMola is TOWN LEAN - Interesting ISO, overall vibe is town, although protesting his own townie-ness isn't a great look. If my other reads were right, I could be interested in BBmola as a potential low-key scumpartner, but not one for now.
Pine is TOWN LEAN - Only saving grace really is that I buy the claim, and think it probably feels more town than scum. Gameplay wise, he initially just wants to lurk through the game. Indicates factual knowledge that Vecna is town. Sets up Drixx vs Vecna as TvS - I have both as town, so this could be a cheap scum play. Collapsed under pressure to produce 6 suspects - scummy. Claims to be in 2 hoods, although per claim, obviously seems legit.
Farside22 is TOWN LEAN - genuine scum-hunting, some minor alarm bells, but not worrying me for now. Odd relationship with MorningTweet noted.
Hectic is TOWN LEAN - more interested in flavour than game early. However overall vibe is confident, bombastic townie. Genuine scumhunting. If scum, probably not buddies with Dany - defence of him reads as pretty odd. Defence of himself has not been great.
Davesaz is TOWN LEAN - minor town vibes from posting, relative to other players, nothing to trouble me here yet.



GuiltyLion is NEUTRAL - sensible and believable thought processes, although continual "do you think I am scum though?" leaves a bad vibe, and early behaviour could be worth revisiting after some flips (not sure if he's just a vote-hopper by nature, or early-game jitters). Also not in a hood.
GeorgeBailey is NEUTRAL - some reasoning is a bit shaky, but quite liberal with the vote which I always like. One to watch, and nothing more for now.
Elsa is NEUTRAL - Could go either way still. Should be a good one to meta later, probably not worth a tickle today. Interactions would make a good fit for a Hectic or Momo scumbuddy.



Danyboy SCUM LEAN - early obsession with using flavour to break game is a minus. Scummy vibes from posting. Nervous about other's opinions, although picking out me and ABR as main targets would be ballsy play for scum.
MorningTweet is SCUM LEAN - Lots of elaborate reads lists with very few actual suspects - what was the point? Odd relationship with Farside. Makes a ludicrously weak case on me in post #567, and desperate for acknowledgement of it. Presenteeism? Nervous about questioning ABR - probably not buddies.
Pisskop is SCUM LEAN - generally town vibes, but I was really pinged by this "But I really do agree that we should be posting in our hoods" and "Why else would we not know our hoodmates?" followed by "I'd prefer we didnt talk about the hoods at all D1" and then "I dont have a hood". Hedging bets early on by implying he might be in a hood (when it was less clear who was in and who was out), referring to "our hoods" and "our hoodmates"? Or, less likely, a slip in reference to the scum PT? Probably not scum with ABR based on interaction.
Xtoxm is SCUM LEAN - slipped up early on and then struggled for a couple posts. Claimed not to be in any hoods, and this means she shouldn't be lynched. Wants to sheep - scummy. Claims farside is scum but won't lynch her to be nice. randomly claims to be town for no reason. Not scumbuddies with Pine. Has issues with women. Openly admits lurking. More likely with Momo than Hectic.
Vaultdweller is MODERATE SCUM - claimed he didn't post in his hood for ages - what's he hiding? little contribution early, mostly cheap town reads, and trying to play probable town off against each other without getting too close to fire. Seems scared of ABR, so not scumbuddies. Pre-occupied with momo and Vecna.
Momo is MODERATE SCUM - Hard to really quantify, mostly a strong gut feeling. I just get super scummy vibes from his posting, including the wording used. Something to meta later. Could definitely see him as scum with Danyboy. And potentially with VaultDweller.
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Post Post #1262 (ISO) » Sun Apr 26, 2020 8:12 am

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In post 1259, farside22 wrote:
In post 1256, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Why are you lurking?
Because he's scum and doing his best show no info when he flips scum.
He's not doing a very good job of that - in terms of info, he's probably the best lynch today. :lol: But I prefer we lynch the scummiest player.
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Post Post #1263 (ISO) » Sun Apr 26, 2020 8:16 am

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you're a dumb fucking cunt battle mage
never join games with me again
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Post Post #1264 (ISO) » Sun Apr 26, 2020 8:20 am

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Re: -- please identify what changed. It's far too dense to notice the changes without comparing it to a previous list, and I'm not that inclined to paste both lists into text files and run beyond compare on them.

I like the case on momo, but also place a high value on the power of competing wagons. Seeing Hectic struggle to find the case, which was very plainly stated by GL and by at least one person voting him, is entertaining at a minimum. It illustrates that he isn't truly reading and/or doesn't want to acknowledge it, and I think town would want to do both along with explicitly refuting it. I'll stay here but for the purposes of gauging wagon viability consider me willing to switch when needed.

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Post Post #1265 (ISO) » Sun Apr 26, 2020 8:20 am

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Xtom why don't you explain a farside or Hectic scumread so we can talk maybe
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Post Post #1266 (ISO) » Sun Apr 26, 2020 8:21 am

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In post 1263, Xtoxm wrote:you're a dumb fucking cunt battle mage
never join games with me again
I've reported to this to the Mod, as a breach of Rule 7.
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Post Post #1267 (ISO) » Sun Apr 26, 2020 8:22 am

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I'll be back when he's been modkilled. No time for people being directly and personally offensive without provocation.
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Post Post #1268 (ISO) » Sun Apr 26, 2020 8:24 am

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In post 1263, Xtoxm wrote:you're a dumb fucking cunt battle mage
never join games with me again
Language like this is not acceptable. Chill out. Consider this an unofficial warning.
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Post Post #1269 (ISO) » Sun Apr 26, 2020 8:26 am

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an unofficial warning? for calling someone that for no reason? dude I'm out....
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Post Post #1270 (ISO) » Sun Apr 26, 2020 8:35 am

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In post 1269, Battle Mage wrote:an unofficial warning? for calling someone that for no reason? dude I'm out....
Please don't leave.
I am not condoning xtoxm comment or even understanding why he said it.
Just let it go and move on.
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Post Post #1271 (ISO) » Sun Apr 26, 2020 8:37 am

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@BM, Mod:
Please discuss via PM. There are new rules concerning demanding replace outs / threatening replace outs.
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Post Post #1272 (ISO) » Sun Apr 26, 2020 8:38 am

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In post 1270, farside22 wrote:
In post 1269, Battle Mage wrote:an unofficial warning? for calling someone that for no reason? dude I'm out....
Please don't leave.
I am not condoning xtoxm comment or even understanding why he said it.
Just let it go and move on.
Yeah you're right, no sense in letting him win. To be fair, it isn't like xtoxm is going to be in the thread posting much more anyway with his lurker strategy. :lol:
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Post Post #1273 (ISO) » Sun Apr 26, 2020 8:38 am

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This matter is being dealt with via PMs. Please move on.
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Post Post #1274 (ISO) » Sun Apr 26, 2020 8:39 am

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In post 1271, davesaz wrote:
@BM, Mod:
Please discuss via PM. There are new rules concerning demanding replace outs / threatening replace outs.
Yep we've spoken via PM, and I do know (and try to follow) the rules - didn't threaten to replace out. is there a rule against requesting a modkill for being a douche? :giggle:
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