Mini Normal 2132 [Game Over]

[Wake1]

Gamma, Aloratom, if neither of you want to be lynched Day 2 I would ask that you please join me in lynching davesaz if you aren't already.

[HoldenGolden]

Either Hectic is Town and was targeted by 3 separate Town PRs...
- ...or Hectic is Town and 1 of those 3 PRs that targeted him are Scum.

- Another possibility is that Hectic is Scum: Hectic could have carried out the kill.
- It's unlikely, if Hectic were Town, that his Scum-mate would also target him.
- If Hectic is Scum, it's more likely he was targeted by 3 separate Town PRs. Scum protective roles are not that common in Singleball, correct? Usually they're more common in Multiball.

- If Hectic flips Town we must interrogate one of dave or MT. And if one of those two also die and flip Town, then the other must be destroyed, because then that remaining player is most likely Scum.

I'm willing to play ball with this.

We know regardless of any other roles that there is a neighborizer out there, so there is no set up discussion spoilers for those concerned about it. Scum also knows who is town here, so it's not like I'm guiding much of a nk either.

I think it is a safe bet that Hectic would be the target of the neighborizer day one mainly due to the reads surrounding him at the time (townish but with some question marks) and his appeal socially (I feel if I was the neighborizer I would pick those i know who would interact with me on some level). I've felt this way for a bit.

The question raised by this is one that's already been brought up: is the neighborizer town or scum? I feel the former is most likely if we believe Wakes claim as town. Neighborizer + watcher + some other PR role + the enabler functioning as a named vt post claim.

The question now is can there be an addtional PR here as town? My experience in 13p is non existent, so I'm unable to answer that on my own.

[Morning Tweet]

Spoiler: TIMELINE OF TICTAC-CHEM VOTES

Hi don't touch me

VOTE: tictac
I'm pretty sure I know where your avatar comes from and I approve

I doubt voting Gamma while he's v/la will be very productive

I'm down to try this

VOTE: tictac

Would do Holden as well. He seemed to have dropped off the radar after a lot of early shitposting

I like this tictac wagon. The inactivity is off-putting.
VOTE: tictac

My SR has somewhat lessened on Hectic; I feel I'm confusing playstyle for scumminess.

More than a few times I've seen a lurker/flake turn out to be Scum.

Could be intimidation or lack of interest or hopelessness. The last game I was Scum I clammed up because it felt hopeless. In my 37:1:6:6 game multiple Mafia weren't posting. I used to think Scum wouldn't shut down, but I know better now.

VOTE: tictac

(WAKE UNVOTE)

I have time to pressure tictac later.

I'd be OK with an Aloratom lynch today.

VOTE: Aloratom

tictac's play so far is a stark contrast to their last 3 town games, and fits more with their most recent scumgame.

One
Two
Three
Scumgame - replaced out

In the town games, they have a lot of thoughts, and are straight in there from the start with the solving. Scumgame has less reasoning provided with posts.

In this game, they didn't make any attempts to solve and have only fluff posted, which is the polar opposite of their town meta.

VOTE: Chemist1422 I don't have much time nowadays but hopefully this will flip scum and clear me!

tictac's play so far is a stark contrast to their last 3 town games, and fits more with their most recent scumgame.

One
Two
Three
Scumgame - replaced out

In the town games, they have a lot of thoughts, and are straight in there from the start with the solving. Scumgame has less reasoning provided with posts.

In this game, they didn't make any attempts to solve and have only fluff posted, which is the polar opposite of their town meta.

VOTE: Chemist1422 I don't have much time nowadays but hopefully this will flip scum and clear me!

Good enough for me


VOTE: Chemist1422

(GAMMA VOTES AGAIN DESPITE ALREADY VOTING)

VOTE: Chemist

This

is L-1.

(SIRCAKES UNVOTE)

I realized something about the tictac wagon-- I think regardless of tictac's alignment, there's probably scum on it. Okay maybe that's not a super hard deduction to make but bear with me here

I agree with this

VOTE: aaron actually
I'm less certain Chemist is scum here and Aaron is not making me feel good about this wagon

Eh, even chemists vote even feels a bit like survival. Bleh.

I'm bit perplexed by the vote by alo into AFF mainly because he can very easily just hop onto the chemist wagon especially since he had justified it earlier. I'm WIFOMing myself over rather or not, if it is SvS, scum busses eachother here. Scum!alo wasnt trying to bus earlier when it was tictac I guess which can explain why he is voting off wagon on Aff.

VOTE: Chemist

I'm fine leaning this way. Worse we lose 1shot jk, best we find scum, and we always clear a question mark for sure.

I said earlier I didn't have a read on Alora because I didn't know what was playstyle I think

At this point I'll keep it for self-pres though

VOTE: Chemist

VOTE: chemist

Gamma -> Cat -> SirCakes -> Wake -> Wake/Unvote -> Hectic -> Profii -> Gammax2 -> SirCakes/Unvote -> Holden -> Aloratom -> SirCakes

I object to voting lynching Gamma Day 2. I was the first to vote tictac. Gamma joined me after that. Gamma stayed on the tictac/Chemist wagon all the way to the end. Unless Gamma is Scum and was doing a hard-bus of his teammate, I don't think Gamma is Scum. WHY are people voting him?

Pretty much not one part of this is true

You didn't vote tictac first, nor did were you the first to suspect him

Gamma did not join you after you voted tictac. You were on alo at the time

Gamma voted tictac-Chem in RVS before there was any pressure, then voted tictac-Chem once the pressure was super high. He admitted it himself he thought he was actually genuinely voting them for the first time with his second vote. You make it sound like he deathtunneled them with a "hard bus". in reality he hopped on when the pressure was very high, after the hectic case and the profii hop on

[Wake1]

Morning Tweet, I'm gonna give you a chance to fix what you just posted.

For starters, in 100 I voted for tictac/Chemist first and then Gamma stayed on there for a long period of time.

Gamma joined me after I voted for tictac, and stayed on him all of Day 1 even after I changed my vote.

From VC 1.04 to 1.09 Gamma stayed on tictac/Chemist until his lynch.

Read. Klick's. ISO.

If you're going to argue with me, I advise you to make sure you have your information correct.

[HoldenGolden]

I play as I want to play as Town, NOT how people expect or want me to play as Town.

Do not even try to push me to play a certain way because I can guarantee you I'll do the exact opposite.

I NEVER spit out reads just because someone wants me to. I do what I want, when I want. If I want to go in-depth I will if I feel like it. If I'm content to just watch and post little, Ill do just that. I want the game to be fun for me: not feel like a chore.

The process of elimination using deductive reasoning based solely on my Night 1 action is to me worth more than just some base read on someone. I'm humble enough to admit my reads aren't always accurate, and I trust deductive reasoning based on gathered information far more.

And I'm not trying to force you to play a certain way.

You can play how you want. But me, and by extension town, arent mind readers. We are going to call you out for how you play because that's the point of this game. My deductive reasoning flared up over what you had posted and is based on my assumptions of scum vs town motivation and dont have a watcher result 100% confirmed in my PoV. Would it be satisfied if you said I didnt feel like doing it at that particular time? No, but i would at least have some answer other than "holden is twisting my words" to work with.

I will digress from this point however in terms of the playstyle stuff. Regardless of your alignment, I doubt anything will come out of talking solely about it and it rather not start the beginnings of a fight to clog up the thread.

[Morning Tweet]

Morning Tweet, I'm gonna give you a chance to fix what you just posted.

For starters, in 100 I voted for tictac/Chemist first and then Gamma stayed on there for a long period of time.

Gamma joined me after I voted for tictac, and stayed on him all of Day 1 even after I changed my vote.

From VC 1.04 to 1.09 Gamma stayed on tictac/Chemist until his lynch.

Read. Klick's. ISO.

If you're going to argue with me, I advise you to make sure you have your information correct.

I literally scrubbed through the entire game to find every instance of people voting tictac beyond RVS. All you're doing is reading Klick's ISO.

Hello everyone.

Let the

bloodshed

scumhunting begin.

VOTE: tictac

Hi don't touch me

VOTE: tictac
I'm pretty sure I know where your avatar comes from and I approve

^^^ These are RVS votes ^^^

More than a few times I've seen a lurker/flake turn out to be Scum.

Could be intimidation or lack of interest or hopelessness. The last game I was Scum I clammed up because it felt hopeless. In my 37:1:6:6 game multiple Mafia weren't posting. I used to think Scum wouldn't shut down, but I know better now.

VOTE: tictac

VOTE: Chemist

This

is L-1.

^^^These are your actual votes on the tictac wagon.^^^

Gamma did not death tunnel tictac as a hard bus, if that's what you're getting at. Again, his first vote on the slot is here, as an agreement to Hectic's casing. It has nothing to do with your RVS vote

[Morning Tweet]

Morning Tweet, I'm gonna give you a chance to fix what you just posted.

From VC 1.04 to 1.09 Gamma stayed on tictac/Chemist until his lynch.

Read. Klick's. ISO.

If you're going to argue with me, I advise you to make sure you have your information correct.

Like, i have my information correct man. please don't try to make me feel like i'm being ignorant, i've spent the greater part of the game analyzing this. If you want to disagree with me on Gamma, that's fine and we should discuss, but this:

I object to voting lynching Gamma Day 2. I was the first to vote tictac. Gamma joined me after that. Gamma stayed on the tictac/Chemist wagon all the way to the end. Unless Gamma is Scum and was doing a hard-bus of his teammate, I don't think Gamma is Scum. WHY are people voting him?

is a fundamentally completely different understanding of the wagon to what i have. And i don't really get what's making you think this.

Hi don't touch me

VOTE: tictac
I'm pretty sure I know where your avatar comes from and I approve

VOTE: Chemist

This

is L-1.

What was 534, Gamma?

@adorable Do you have any reads?

534 was me not realizing Chemist replaced tictac but I was fine leaving it unmentioned when I did that.

^^ Here's why I don't consider his RVS vote the beginning of a deathtunnel on tictac, btw

[Wake1]

Morning Tweet, I'm gonna give you a chance to fix what you just posted.

For starters, in 100 I voted for tictac/Chemist first and then Gamma stayed on there for a long period of time.

Gamma joined me after I voted for tictac, and stayed on him all of Day 1 even after I changed my vote.

From VC 1.04 to 1.09 Gamma stayed on tictac/Chemist until his lynch.

Read. Klick's. ISO.

If you're going to argue with me, I advise you to make sure you have your information correct.

I literally scrubbed through the entire game to find every instance of people voting tictac beyond RVS. All you're doing is reading Klick's ISO.

Hello everyone.

Let the

bloodshed

scumhunting begin.

VOTE: tictac

Hi don't touch me

VOTE: tictac
I'm pretty sure I know where your avatar comes from and I approve

^^^ These are RVS votes ^^^

More than a few times I've seen a lurker/flake turn out to be Scum.

Could be intimidation or lack of interest or hopelessness. The last game I was Scum I clammed up because it felt hopeless. In my 37:1:6:6 game multiple Mafia weren't posting. I used to think Scum wouldn't shut down, but I know better now.

VOTE: tictac

VOTE: Chemist

This

is L-1.

^^^These are your actual votes on the tictac wagon.^^^

Gamma did not death tunnel tictac as a hard bus, if that's what you're getting at. Again, his first vote on the slot is here, as an agreement to Hectic's casing. It has nothing to do with your RVS vote

Are you confused, or are you up to mischief as Scum?

Either way I'm more than happy to break you apart.

1) I never said Gamma death-tunneled tictac/Chemist.

2) I never said Gamma hard-bussed him. Only that it could be a possibility.

3) I never said his vote had anything to do with mine.

4) What I did say is that Gamma was on tictac/chemist vote-wise for the majority of the day, from VC 1.04 all the way to hammer.

What are you talking about?

Why are you taking my words out of context?

I can remember and recite everything I just said, so why can't

you

?

Keep my words in context, neither adding nor subtracting. Only Scum would try to change the context of what exactly I said.

I want answers from you.

Now

.

[Wake1]

I object to voting lynching Gamma Day 2. I was the first to vote tictac. Gamma joined me after that. Gamma stayed on the tictac/Chemist wagon all the way to the end. Unless Gamma is Scum and was doing a hard-bus of his teammate, I don't think Gamma is Scum. WHY are people voting him?

What about this are you not understanding, MT?

1) I was the first to vote tictac.

2) Gamma joined on the wagon after me.

3) He stayed on the wagon all the way until the end of Day 1.

4) It's possible this was a hard-bus, but as I said before it's not likely.

5) Therefore, based on this, I personally (for now) doubt he is Scum.

Explain to me

exactly

what you don't understand about this.

[Morning Tweet]

Unless Gamma is Scum and was doing a hard-bus of his teammate, I don't think Gamma is Scum.

You said that the only way Gamma is scum is if he hard-bussed tictac. Which I'm trying to tell you isn't the case

I object to voting lynching Gamma Day 2. I was the first to vote tictac. Gamma joined me after that.

You said his vote came after yours, which it didn't. I see now that you were referring to RVS votes, instead of your more recent votes. i don't get why you refer to those instead of your actual tictac wagon votes

Hi don't touch me

VOTE: tictac
I'm pretty sure I know where your avatar comes from and I approve

VOTE: Chemist

This

is L-1.

What was 534, Gamma?

@adorable Do you have any reads?

534 was me not realizing Chemist replaced tictac but I was fine leaving it unmentioned when I did that.

Gamma reveals here that he thought he was placing a new vote when he voted Chem, thereby disproving that he meant to vote the slot for all day

am i keeping everything in context enough?

[Morning Tweet]

Explain to me

exactly

what you don't understand about this.

I see now that you're viewing Gamma's vote here:

Hi don't touch me

VOTE: tictac
I'm pretty sure I know where your avatar comes from and I approve

As his actual contribution to the tictac wagon.

The wagon was initially started by Cat and Sircakes, though. This happened after Gamma's RVS on tictac. He didn't join, nor did he make any comments on it.

The wagon was then given greater fire by Hectic's case. Profii joined..

AND THEN gamma joined, here:

VOTE: Chemist

This

is L-1.

[Wake1]

I never said the only way Gamma could be Scum is if he was hard-bussing tictac. I said it's a possibility that he could be doing that as Scum, but it's unlikely, but still possible. Why? Because in a past game Scum hard-bussed Day 1 and I completely fell for it. That's WHY I'm more cautious.

IT DID come after my vote. LOOK AT the VCs. I don't have time to comb through every post, but I do have time to look at the patterns among each and every VC post. That's my metric, and that's good enough for me.

Regardless of what Gamma thought is irrelevant to me. He remained on that slot until the very end.

[Wake1]

Explain to me

exactly

what you don't understand about this.

I see now that you're viewing Gamma's vote here:

Hi don't touch me

VOTE: tictac
I'm pretty sure I know where your avatar comes from and I approve

As his actual contribution to the tictac wagon.

The wagon was initially started by Cat and Sircakes, though. This happened after Gamma's RVS on tictac. He didn't join, nor did he make any comments on it.

The wagon was then given greater fire by Hectic's case. Profii joined..

AND THEN gamma joined, here:

VOTE: Chemist

This

is L-1.

Do you not read this?

Votecount 1.03

Hectic (2): AaronFrost, bob3141
HoldenGolden (2): SirCakez, Morning Tweet

tictac (2): Wake88, Gamma Emerald

bob3141 (2): Aloratom, Hectic
Morning Tweet (2): HoldenGolden, Cat Scratch Fever
Aloratom (1): tictac
AaronFrost (1): profii
Cat Scratch Fever (0):
profii (0):
Wake88 (0):
Gamma Emerald (0):
davesaz (0):
SirCakez (0):

Not Voting: davesaz

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

The day will end in (expired on 2020-04-20 11:30:00).

[Wake1]

Yeah I just ISO'd Gamma and searched "vote."

He was on tictac the whole time, and just fake-voted tictac while already having his vote on him.

[Morning Tweet]

I never said the only way Gamma could be Scum is if he was hard-bussing tictac. I said it's a possibility that he could be doing that as Scum, but it's unlikely, but still possible. Why? Because in a past game Scum hard-bussed Day 1 and I completely fell for it. That's WHY I'm more cautious.

Do you understand why i interpreted it that way? You said this:

Gamma stayed on the tictac/Chemist wagon all the way to the end. Unless Gamma is Scum and was doing a hard-bus of his teammate, I don't think Gamma is Scum. WHY are people voting him?

i am NOT twisting your words. To me, this sounds like "Gamma is likely town, because if he were scum, he'd have to be hard bussing his teammate".

IT DID come after my vote. LOOK AT the VCs. I don't have time to comb through every post, but I do have time to look at the patterns among each and every VC post. That's my metric, and that's good enough for me.

we are not talking about the same votes. i keep saying this.

Spoiler: The votes im talking about

I doubt voting Gamma while he's v/la will be very productive

I'm down to try this

VOTE: tictac

Would do Holden as well. He seemed to have dropped off the radar after a lot of early shitposting

I like this tictac wagon. The inactivity is off-putting.
VOTE: tictac

My SR has somewhat lessened on Hectic; I feel I'm confusing playstyle for scumminess.

More than a few times I've seen a lurker/flake turn out to be Scum.

Could be intimidation or lack of interest or hopelessness. The last game I was Scum I clammed up because it felt hopeless. In my 37:1:6:6 game multiple Mafia weren't posting. I used to think Scum wouldn't shut down, but I know better now.

VOTE: tictac

(WAKE UNVOTE)

I have time to pressure tictac later.

I'd be OK with an Aloratom lynch today.

VOTE: Aloratom

tictac's play so far is a stark contrast to their last 3 town games, and fits more with their most recent scumgame.

One
Two
Three
Scumgame - replaced out

In the town games, they have a lot of thoughts, and are straight in there from the start with the solving. Scumgame has less reasoning provided with posts.

In this game, they didn't make any attempts to solve and have only fluff posted, which is the polar opposite of their town meta.

VOTE: Chemist1422 I don't have much time nowadays but hopefully this will flip scum and clear me!

tictac's play so far is a stark contrast to their last 3 town games, and fits more with their most recent scumgame.

One
Two
Three
Scumgame - replaced out

In the town games, they have a lot of thoughts, and are straight in there from the start with the solving. Scumgame has less reasoning provided with posts.

In this game, they didn't make any attempts to solve and have only fluff posted, which is the polar opposite of their town meta.

VOTE: Chemist1422 I don't have much time nowadays but hopefully this will flip scum and clear me!

Good enough for me


VOTE: Chemist1422

(GAMMA VOTES AGAIN DESPITE ALREADY VOTING. HE ADMITS LATER THAT HE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW HE WAS ALREADY VOTING)

VOTE: Chemist

This

is L-1.

(SIRCAKES UNVOTE)

I realized something about the tictac wagon-- I think regardless of tictac's alignment, there's probably scum on it. Okay maybe that's not a super hard deduction to make but bear with me here

I agree with this

VOTE: aaron actually
I'm less certain Chemist is scum here and Aaron is not making me feel good about this wagon

Eh, even chemists vote even feels a bit like survival. Bleh.

I'm bit perplexed by the vote by alo into AFF mainly because he can very easily just hop onto the chemist wagon especially since he had justified it earlier. I'm WIFOMing myself over rather or not, if it is SvS, scum busses eachother here. Scum!alo wasnt trying to bus earlier when it was tictac I guess which can explain why he is voting off wagon on Aff.

VOTE: Chemist

I'm fine leaning this way. Worse we lose 1shot jk, best we find scum, and we always clear a question mark for sure.

I said earlier I didn't have a read on Alora because I didn't know what was playstyle I think

At this point I'll keep it for self-pres though

VOTE: Chemist

VOTE: chemist

Spoiler: The votes you're talking about

Hello everyone.

Let the

bloodshed

scumhunting begin.

VOTE: tictac

Hi don't touch me

VOTE: tictac
I'm pretty sure I know where your avatar comes from and I approve

Pedit:

Okay. I think we're getting there. That was not a fake-vote. Gamma reveals that here:

Hi don't touch me

VOTE: tictac
I'm pretty sure I know where your avatar comes from and I approve

VOTE: Chemist

This

is L-1.

What was 534, Gamma?

@adorable Do you have any reads?

534 was me not realizing Chemist replaced tictac but I was fine leaving it unmentioned when I did that.

[Wake1]

I'm saying Gamma is likely Town, because otherwise he's Scum hard-bussing tictac, which is unlikely yet still possible. That's what I've been saying.

I only voted tictac once, iirc. I never said I stayed on his wagon. I'm saying Gamma did from VC 1.04 (not since 1.04, which was my mistake) until hammer.

Point is, regardless of anything else, Gamma was on tictac slot from VC 1.03 all the way until hammer.

So he's probably Town, or to a lesser extent Scum that hard-bussed that slot.

[Morning Tweet]

I understand what you're saying now. I disagree with the notion Gamma is likely town for it. I treat Gamma's second vote on tictac as his actual contribution to the wagon. He thought that his "L-1" vote on Chem was his true vote. It wasn't a reaction test, he legitimately thought that was his vote

Evidence to support this: He admits it himself. He never talks about tictac in his ISO, at all. as far as I can see. It's literally a jump from voting tictac in RVS, to talking about unrelated stuff, to voting Chem in an attempt to put her at L-1.

This reads like he hastily voted chem, as if he just felt like he needed to. So hasty and without any thought that he didn't even realize he was already voting her prior. Which kinda reveals he wasn't trying to evaluate tictac, at all, since he didn't even remember he was voting him

Additionally, i have townreads on some of the different members of the wagon, and i feel strongly there is a busser. It all comes together

[Wake1]

I understand what you're saying now. I disagree with the notion Gamma is likely town for it. I treat Gamma's second vote on tictac as his actual contribution to the wagon. He thought that his "L-1" vote on Chem was his true vote. It wasn't a reaction test, he legitimately thought that was his vote

Evidence to support this: He admits it himself. He never talks about tictac in his ISO, at all. as far as I can see. It's literally a jump from voting tictac in RVS, to talking about unrelated stuff, to voting Chem in an attempt to put her at L-1.

This reads like he hastily voted chem, as if he just felt like he needed to. So hasty and without any thought that he didn't even realize he was already voting her prior. Which kinda reveals he wasn't trying to evaluate tictac, at all, since he didn't even remember he was voting him

Additionally, i have townreads on some of the different members of the wagon, and i feel strongly there is a busser. It all comes together

I think Gamma is more likely to be Town than hard-bussing Scum. Doesn't mean he's Town for sure, but if it's a numbers game he's more likely Town for it.

Maybe he completely forgot he was voting that slot, but then that would be more of a player error, but I find it hard to believe Gamma would do that.

Then again, I had forgotten that Chemist had replaced tictac.

Maybe Gamma is Scum. I don't know. I'm trying to make accurate judgments based on the evidence and player patterns I currently have.

So if Gamma is Scum then he was bussing Chemist. If I were Scum I would want avoid bussing at all costs unless it was necessary.

We do know tictac slot was on Aloratom from VC 1.02 all the way to lynch. Davesaz was on Aloratom from VC 1.04 to lynch.

How would you evaluate that? Scum was on Aloratom for much of Day 1.

[profii]

I'm so conflicted about this.

- If Hectic flips Town we must interrogate one of dave or MT. And if one of those two also die and flip Town, then the other must be destroyed, because then that remaining player is most likely Scum.

you are proposing a dave lynch, but expecting hectic to flip when exactly?

also, this kind of reminds me of a situation where a neighbourhood is revealed and some people go 'gotta find that scum in the hood yo'
then someone goes 'ah but if we lynch our way through the hood we might just wipe out a bunch of towns and there are no scum, it's a red herring'


but I also am a big advocate for playing the way you want to play, just as you said so I am happy to tell you I think there is scum somewhere in the pool of people {Wake, Hectic, Dave, MT}

As I said one theory is that it is {wake, hectic} trying to work out if they have been guiltied. Logically, the optimal path is to lynch hectic, as he is the least likely to be a PR, but may reveal the entire scum team.

I also did look back at who voted off the tictac wagon and I picked up on Aaron which is similar to your thinking. I also have a theory on Dave which I haven't fully fleshed out yet but for now I'm happy to go for it as people aren't really joining me on Aaron.

VOTE: Dave

[Aloratom]

I was talking about the vote count on #526. I checked again and it turns out I read it wrong and made a mistake. Hectic was the 4th voter and profii was the one who broke the tie. Wake was originally the 4th voter and then he switched his vote to you and Hectic voted Chemist. My view still hasn't changed.

If what you had understood before was that Hectic broke the tie and voted Chemist and that made Hectic Town, when in actuality it was profii who did that, why is Hectic still Town and profii not Town?

I was talking about Hectic when I said my view on him still hasn't changed. I originally thought Hectic broke the tie when I looked at the vote count on #526 and I read it wrong. I have observed one of Hectic's scum games and he did not bus. I would find this really hard to believe scum Hectic would hard bus Chemist like that on day 1. Wouldn't it make more sense for scum profii to vote you instead of voting Chemist since he was the one who broke the tie? Thoughts on this?

Maybe my head isn't screwed on straight. You indicated that your reason for Hectic being Town was because he broke the tie and voted Chem. Actually, it was profii who broke the tie and voted Chem. Now your reason for Hectic!Town is that Hectic was already on the Chem wagon? And profii is still in your poe because? Maybe I'm misunderstanding. I mean, yes, if a scum!profii was bussing a scum!Aloratom it makes more sense that profii would have voted me, assuming I wasn't a scum PR, but that's not what I'm getting at. It seems your Town read on Hectic now doesn't have anything to do with Hectic breaking the tie, just that Hectic voted Chem, and you haven't given a reason why profii is in your poe when you were willing to Town-crown Hectic for voting Chem for breaking the tie. Does that make sense?

[Aloratom]

So you'd lynch me with the intention to flip me as town, so that you can clear the town watcher that is probably the nightkill tonight? Am I understanding that correctly?

its risk reward. You have rightly identified the risk. The reward is that the remaining scum is you + wake and wed get a perfect town victory if we went there.

Also, your logic is very flawed. It's entirely possible scum!Wake picks town with his watcher ability. Why are you so sure he would pick his scum buddy "defensively"?

I'm really struggling to see how this line of logic comes from town.

It's not flawed at all. I explained why a scum watcher would look at the player executing the factional kill, to ensure the player doesnt get tripped up by town PRs

I did exactly this in 2 previous scum games of mine, alo can attest to it.

He did it in ours. And I think he was multitasking that game, so whoever brought that up, I believe that multitasking is normal.

[Aloratom]

Gamma, Aloratom, if neither of you want to be lynched Day 2 I would ask that you please join me in lynching davesaz if you aren't already.

I'm going to join you for now because it makes sense to explore in the Wake/dave/MT/Hectic world, but why are you calling out Gamma and me in particular? Are you going to suddenly hop against your convictions and dig in on one of us?

VOTE: dave

[Hectic]

Yeah, okay; profii's probably town.

(Gamma Emerald, Dave, Morning, Bobman) is my pool. I actually think Wake's theory has merit, and we should look into Dave and Morning more today.

Pedit: Fantastic vote, Aloratom!!!!!!!!!!!1

[davesaz]

Too bad the scum didn't try to kill Hectic. Then we wouldn't have had a nightkill.

Y'all suck at reading between the lines. That's the answer to "what kind of TPR targets their strongest scumread".

[Hectic]

I want to wagon Dave. Gotta go now but I saw stuff earlier I didn't like.

Holden was calling me up last night telling me he saw Dave in his dreams, apparently there was a strongman roleblocker involved and Dave was laughing maniacally. Need to ask him about that later.

Unfortunately while you were busy fornicating with two other people, I forget my dream as my journal wasn't near by to record it. My catcher as well was broken. Was it dave? Why dave?

@Wake as well, who out of dave and MT are you reading as scum?

Do you say 2 instead of 3 because it's implied that Waka Waka is watching through the window? Not cool, Waka.

Pedit: I mean I considered that possibility, Dave... did you crumb it earlier?