Jigsaw's Revenge - Game Over

[Battle Mage]

Oops

[Battle Mage]

ah damnit, another pagetop!! maybe I should have gone after all

ABR ain't gonna like this...

[Elsa Jay]

@BM, Mod:

Please discuss via PM. There are new rules concerning demanding replace outs / threatening replace outs.

Yep we've spoken via PM, and I do know (and try to follow) the rules - didn't threaten to replace out. is there a rule against requesting a modkill for being a douche?

Requesting a Mod Kill does seem like a little overkill bro. Kinda isn't your call to make.

[Hectic]

Elsa, why are you voting me?

[Morning Tweet]

heyyee so about those wagons

I think there's definitely a lot of town on hectic but im not impressed by the "reasoning", if you can call it that. forgive me if i missed where it is, i checked ABR, A50, and like someone else's isos to try n find it

BM has suddenly revealed himself as town so that's cool

i think I learn a lot more from a momo flip than a hectic flip. i do find it interesting that hectic had somewhat of a read 180 on momo, but i also had that townlean on momo and never went to really reevaluate the slot so i can see it as a town move

VOTE: momo

[Elsa Jay]

Elsa, why are you voting me?

Honest reason: I saw you had the most votes.

Not so honest reason: Your very scummy, of course I'd vote for you.

[Drixx]

Just doing a flyby. Got kind of sick at the end of my Friday night work shift and just been resting. I've got a few pages to catch up on, which I'll do during tonight's work shift.

Also ... got some pretty big RL stuff the next 4-5 days.

@Mod: V/LA until 5/1/2020 please

[momo]

Meta-cases are tricky because people change as time passes, but I don't think it's that common for somebody to go from being an authoritative and decisive town-leader, to a whimpering pleading town-passenger.

Why on Earth would you characterize me as a whimpering pleading town-passenger. First of all, the notion of me being a passenger is total bull shit. The current wagon on Hectic, I started that. I get that you want everything to fit your narrative, but if you even took the time look at a single vote count, you would see that the first vote on the current Hectic wagon is me.

I have changed my vote as the day progressed, but that doesn't make me a pleading passenger in any sense of the word. I've started and joined wagons as the game progressed. From my initial vote on Morning Tweet to now, my vote has always been exactly where I want it to be. Just because I've grown as a player and realized how FOOLISH you have to be to proclaim a game of forum mafia completely solved D1, doesn't mean that I'm whimpering. I get that you think of yourself as some sort of super genius, but you're not. You're nowhere near solving this game and honestly, chances are I'm not either. I think Hectic is scum, that's why I'm voting him, but I don't say ridiculous things anymore like proclaim to catching the entire scum team through preflip associatives D1.

I can be as bullish as you want, but there's a reason I haven't been playing like that (or I guess like this since you've clearly managed to bait me) this game. Mafia is a game of consensus building. I'm not well known enough on this site to be bullish and to tell people to follow me and to expect successful wagons on my scumreads.

To conclude, I'm not whimpering and I'm certainly not pleading. The fact that you would falsely characterize me as such is frankly insulting. I'm playing smart, even if that's something you can't understand.

[BBmolla]

ABR's push on Hectic has a lot of the buzzwords I use when I'm scum making up a scumread

[Xtoxm]

Xtom why don't you explain a farside or Hectic scumread so we can talk maybe

Far side - instead of trying to work things out with me she is just returning the scumread, bc she expects to win out against me. Otherwise doesnt feel townie. I played with her a lot in the past.

Hectic - my strongest tr is vote there (a50) and abr who I also tr keeps asking me to vote there. Most of the wagon is my townread or townleans. At some point I need to compromise. I dont tr any of the slots on the alternate momo wagon.

I am also confused why you seem to put weight on the things I say, yet have me as a sr. It seems contradictory.

[BBmolla]

so pisskop is pretty scummy

[BBmolla]

Hectic, BM, Blake Belladonna, maybe GE (4/5)?

wow this is a really bad scumlist

[BBmolla]

iDanyboy (2) - Elsa Jay, GuiltyLion
Drixx (2) - VaultDweller, Pine
xtoxm (2) - BBmolla, Morning Tweet
Battle Mage (1) - Vecna
BBmolla (1) - GeorgeBailey
Vecna (1) - Drixx
GuiltyLion (1) - Gamma Emerald
Pine (1) - pisskop
farside22 (1) - xtoxm

Pretty much all of these players voting should pick a side now. We are close to deadline. I'll try to get my thoughts out on Hectic by Tuesday or Wednesday.

Added spacing for clarity on request

I'm picking a momo lynch over Hectic

[BBmolla]

guys xtoxm isn't even pretending to not be scum

[farside22]

Xtom why don't you explain a farside or Hectic scumread so we can talk maybe

Far side - instead of trying to work things out with me she is just returning the scumread, bc she expects to win out against me. Otherwise doesnt feel townie. I played with her a lot in the past.

Hectic - my strongest tr is vote there (a50) and abr who I also tr keeps asking me to vote there. Most of the wagon is my townread or townleans. At some point I need to compromise. I dont tr any of the slots on the alternate momo wagon.

I am also confused why you seem to put weight on the things I say, yet have me as a sr. It seems contradictory.

I asked you a question. You never responded. I'm not going to chase you.
I've progressed forward to look for scum, you stayed stagnant without a good reason.
I would say my reason is more valid then yours.

[Morning Tweet]

Xtom why don't you explain a farside or Hectic scumread so we can talk maybe

Far side - instead of trying to work things out with me she is just returning the scumread, bc she expects to win out against me. Otherwise doesnt feel townie. I played with her a lot in the past.

Hectic - my strongest tr is vote there (a50) and abr who I also tr keeps asking me to vote there. Most of the wagon is my townread or townleans. At some point I need to compromise. I dont tr any of the slots on the alternate momo wagon.

I am also confused why you seem to put weight on the things I say, yet have me as a sr. It seems contradictory.

Cause id like to hear you say something, anything, so i have something to base a read off of

[Elsa Jay]

Ehh. Albert, did you switch to Momo or are you gung ho on Hectic? I'll follow you for now.

[GeorgeBailey]

I think there's definitely a lot of town on hectic but im not impressed by the "reasoning", if you can call it that. forgive me if i missed where it is, i checked ABR, A50, and like someone else's isos to try n find it

I think Albert's getting at the fact that Hectic is trying to stay active and seem LAMIST? Albert keeps saying it should be obvious to anyone Town and has tunneled since.

I'm not buying the a50 suspicion for one second LOL

You disagreed with me in post 969 about something I said in post 329. I'm over it, Hectic... LOL

Although this vote was kinda scummy

VOTE: Albert

I want to hear the case, Albert.

[GeorgeBailey]

BM is your push on Momo mostly meta? You're saying he's acting more passive than he is as town, right?

Momo is MODERATE SCUM - Hard to really quantify, mostly a strong gut feeling. I just get super scummy vibes from his posting, including the wording used. Something to meta later. Could definitely see him as scum with Danyboy. And potentially with VaultDweller.

Is there a specific post you think he really reveals how scummy he is?

[GuiltyLion]

heyyee so about those wagons

I think there's definitely a lot of town on hectic but im not impressed by the "reasoning", if you can call it that. forgive me if i missed where it is, i checked ABR, A50, and like someone else's isos to try n find it

BM has suddenly revealed himself as town so that's cool

i think I learn a lot more from a momo flip than a hectic flip. i do find it interesting that hectic had somewhat of a read 180 on momo, but i also had that townlean on momo and never went to really reevaluate the slot so i can see it as a town move

VOTE: momo

this is exactly how I feel - the way ABR is pushing Hectic makes me wonder if there's some kind of scum slip there relating to hoods but I read over Hectic's ISO several times and don't see it.

I still don't like Danyboy's Hectic vote and Elsa Jay's is bad too. Badfeels from the wagon.

I also didn't like Momo's interactions with Battle Mage, saying he's "lining up lynches" and calculated-therefore-scummy for posting an evolving reads list both strike me as uncharitable/reachy pushes.

I can see a world where Momo is town and I can see a world where Hectic is scum but I'm feeling Momo over Hectic unless ABR has an especially compelling point on something I'm not seeing

VOTE: Momo

[Battle Mage]

@BM, Mod:

Please discuss via PM. There are new rules concerning demanding replace outs / threatening replace outs.

Yep we've spoken via PM, and I do know (and try to follow) the rules - didn't threaten to replace out. is there a rule against requesting a modkill for being a douche?

Requesting a Mod Kill does seem like a little overkill bro. Kinda isn't your call to make.

I'm old school. Back in my day, that's just what would happen - no-brainer. People were nicer to each other back then of course...

[Battle Mage]

ill pick up from 1279 after work!

[Vecna]

Im not sure about Hectic, but Battle mage is doing a thing here where he either wants to distract from the Hectic wagon, or wants to create two alternating wagons between momo and Hectic to set up the day2 mislynch.

[Vecna]

Hectic, BM, Blake Belladonna, maybe GE (4/5)?

wow this is a really bad scumlist

Interesting how of all the "bad readslists" in the game, this is the only one you choose to respond to

[BBmolla]

Hectic, BM, Blake Belladonna, maybe GE (4/5)?

wow this is a really bad scumlist

Interesting how of all the "bad readslists" in the game, this is the only one you choose to respond to

Why is that interesting