Jigsaw's Revenge - Game Over

[Battle Mage]

Unvote

for goodness sake, let me catch up before we end the day! this is so exciting!

[Albert B. Rampage]

Xtoxm can you vote momo?

[farside22]

BM, Pine, momo and I are in a hood. We believe momo is the scum. I was going to run Hectic up to L-1 to see who was eager to save momo and then shift onto momo last minute for the day 1 lynch.

How known within the hood is this sentiment?

This question can't be serious. If ABR says they believe momo is scum do you think it wasn't discussed? If it was, what is your take on the wagon and how it went?

Interesting.

You don't find that strange?

what i think blake is getting at, is that if this plan was discussed in the hood, and assuming scum can see the hood, then scum were never going to 'fall for it', since they already knew about it.

Even though it wasn't the case. What could scum do? They could either bus, if momo is scum or stay off the wagon.
I'm glad it wasn't discussed it gives my thoughts on the hectic wagon more credibility.

[davesaz]

Hectic is a bad wagon because of votes like these. No reasoning behind them, other than it's a good wagon.

Keep reading, it comes out as you go.

Let's hear what you saw then, Dave, now that we know the case doesn't actually exist. There's not going to be any continuity errors on my watch.

Was waiting to do this till I got to the end of catchup, but found a post that requires my attention.
UNVOTE:

Did you even bother to ISO me? I find it hard to believe you missed what I said. But anyway, I'll go back and point you to the post after I finish.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Be careful, Hectic might go on his own personal witch hunt for whoever wronged him instead of letting the town focus on momo scum lol.

[Xtoxm]

Xtoxm can you vote momo?

in the sense that he has claimed a weak role, and im ready for the day to end. i guess? but not with any optimism of a scum flip.
and not yet.
there are days on the deadline and this is moving fast. i wanna see how some other slots react to this.

[Albert B. Rampage]

It's moot now. I think momo/vecna/blake makes sense.

Yes, im hard defending momo in public and openly trying to push the wagon onto blake instead. scum all-star right here

Big brainy boy

If you think Hectic will be lynched, why not act as you did? You would think it's safe.

[davesaz]

This post doesn't really fill me with confidence regarding Elsa though. I mean, I agree that Almo is scummy, but the reasoning here is iffy.

The subject goes from Elsa's post that's not that good (and doesn't even say Almost is scummy if you look closely), to agreeing that Almost is scummy, and back to the reasoning isn't good. I expected an Elsa vote from this (for the bad reasoning which is right here), not an Almost vote (scummy for what reason?).

Hectic, here's your explanation. You said that Elsa was scummy, said you agreed with Elsa about Almost, and then voted Almost who was voting Elsa. It's a weird triangular logic that doesn't make sense at all.

[Albert B. Rampage]

This post doesn't really fill me with confidence regarding Elsa though. I mean, I agree that Almo is scummy, but the reasoning here is iffy.

The subject goes from Elsa's post that's not that good (and doesn't even say Almost is scummy if you look closely), to agreeing that Almost is scummy, and back to the reasoning isn't good. I expected an Elsa vote from this (for the bad reasoning which is right here), not an Almost vote (scummy for what reason?).

Hectic, here's your explanation. You said that Elsa was scummy, said you agreed with Elsa about Almost, and then voted Almost who was voting Elsa. It's a weird triangular logic that doesn't make sense at all.

I can confirm this was it.

[Battle Mage]

Alright, whatever, I'm claiming:

I'm Detective Halloran, a Police X-shot Sleuth.

X amount of times, I can investigate someone at night to see if they're an

Acolyte

, but I can't detect Jigsaw himself with my check.

I've been crumbing it all game with my RP.

I knew you were town. 1-0 to me!

Good thing I left myself some wiggle room with that 1%.

Nice work ABR!

@vecna
i dont know about your theory. i have not found blake suspicious.
BM is gaslighting me which is a scum thing.
i dont know what it means for hectic.
momo should be town i think. unless my reads this game are way off momo is being pushed by scum.

What about momo reads town? I checked his meta and i dont see it.

Nice research Farside!

It's moot now. I think momo/vecna/blake makes sense.

I'm still leaning town on Vecna. Blake's recent movements haven't looked great, although the same could be said for Elsa. I'll update my readslist shortly.

Thank you for your service in drawing the NK tonight, BM and I will clean this game up quickly after you die.

There's bound to be a protective so maybe he doesn't draw the NK? Probably not worth speculating too much though! Yep we've got this one under control (unless Xtoxm is scum, and I get NKed)

BM, Pine, momo and I are in a hood. We believe momo is the scum. I was going to run Hectic up to L-1 to see who was eager to save momo and then shift onto momo last minute for the day 1 lynch.

I'm a bit sad you outted us! I was hoping we could do the big reveal once we confirmed Momo was actually scum.

BM, Pine, momo and I are in a hood. We believe momo is the scum. I was going to run Hectic up to L-1 to see who was eager to save momo and then shift onto momo last minute for the day 1 lynch.

...if someone was eager to save momo, they'd hammer me on L-1? And then you wouldn't get your scum lynch?

Battle Mage, please tell me about what's been going on in his hood.

I'll tell you when I catch up!

Wow, spoilers, Elsa.

Also, you're scum with momo, right?

That is possible yeah.

If we lynch momo, I think our hood will be all town remaining, and we can safely plan our next moves with Hectic drawing the NK. I'm pleased with this given the false positive potential of his role, it could really hurt town to have the cop run into a godfather N1 and have him ride it out deep into the game.

I don't think it's a given that Hectic draws the NK. But yes I think if Momo is scum, I'll feel much more at ease with you and Pine.

[Vecna]

It's moot now. I think momo/vecna/blake makes sense.

Yes, im hard defending momo in public and openly trying to push the wagon onto blake instead. scum all-star right here

Big brainy boy

If you think Hectic will be lynched, why not act as you did? You would think it's safe.

Because all this happened after the momentum had firmly shifted towards momo

[GuiltyLion]

another quick n' dirty GL all 20 players reads list

Towny Town Members of Town: ABR, Battle Mage, Farside, Hectic, Morning Tweet, Pine, Vecna
Not The Towniest Members of Town, but Likely Town All The Same: a50, BBMolla, davesaz, Drixx, George
Not the Scummiest Scums, Maybe Some Town Here: iDanyBoy, pisskop, Vault Dweller, Xtoxm
Scums That Must Be Eliminated: Blake, Elsa Jay, Gamma, Momo

[Battle Mage]

The wagon on me has built ridiculously fast and is almost certainly scum driven. How fast I went from being widely townleaned/read is not natural. Hectic points out that he's been crumbing cop the whole game, but it's absolutely the fakest crumbing I've seen in a while. Scum can call themselves detective in their posts too.

It's clear that y'all aren't believing me, so I've decided to claim.

I am Simone, a 1-shot Trap Immune Survivor.

I was hoping that I wouldn't have to claim, so that scum could waste one of their traps on me, but it is what it is. Lynching me rn is not smart because scum can't get rid of me when they want to. My role adds value to this town.

Instinctively I don't buy this claim - it feels like a real easy fakeclaim.

I have faith in SirCakez' ability to write a good storyline. A hero will come to my rescue. I believe.

I'm not taking it personally regardless of your alignment, Albert; I'm just still a little baffled by the play and somewhat struggle to see it coming from town.

If momo flips scum, it makes you look better because of the hood. Otherwise, I can definitely see what you've done here as coming from scum as an act of performance/false bravado to get people to wagon a townie, and defuse pressure from other potential scum wagons at the time.

If Momo flips scum, I look doubly great because I'm in his hood and I drove his lynch from scratch!

[farside22]

scum reads: Momo/Danny/George/blake/A50
I still have reads I'm not as sure about, Elsa, xtoxm, gammma, dave

[Xtoxm]

There's bound to be a protective so maybe he doesn't draw the NK? Probably not worth speculating too much though! Yep we've got this one under control (unless Xtoxm is scum, and I get NKed)

i am widely scumread, so me hypothetically being scum would make the game easier in yout projected worldview, not harder.
this post makes no sense.

[Battle Mage]

I can see a world where Momo is town and I can see a world where Hectic is scum but I'm feeling Momo over Hectic unless ABR has an especially compelling point on something I'm not seeing

Stay active, we will need you to finish off Hectic as the clock ticks to midnight.

Still 4 days left my man. I get it, we dont have forever, but using this already as an argument to push through the current biggest wagons......probably lines up well with what you want, but its not the greatest of reasons that should convince anyone else.

Vecna, you're right on this one! No rush!

It's not a 3rd party role.

It's a town role. Survivor is just the name of our PT. Being 1-shot trap immune is my role.

Remember what BM said about your town play being aggressive and bombastic. You didn't play the way a bulletproof town plays, and given both of your claims we have no choice but to end this now.

That's true, his role is fairly useless unless he draws an NK.

Momo, why word it so confusingly and not clarify that in the first post? Also, kindly explain what a fucking Trap is. Is that the gimmick here? Are we dealing with a team of Poisoners?

I laughed.

I can see a world where Momo is town and I can see a world where Hectic is scum but I'm feeling Momo over Hectic unless ABR has an especially compelling point on something I'm not seeing

Stay active, we will need you to finish off Hectic as the clock ticks to midnight.

Still 4 days left my man. I get it, we dont have forever, but using this already as an argument to push through the current biggest wagons......probably lines up well with what you want, but its not the greatest of reasons that should convince anyone else.

We've gotten everything we needed out of this day and a clear road map for Day 2. Take your time to catch up and stuff, then we're lynching momo.

Mate, I'm having fun, let me catch up at least and consolidate what we've got. If Momo flips scum I'm probably dead tonight.

It's not a 3rd party role.

It's a town role. Survivor is just the name of our PT. Being 1-shot trap immune is my role.

Remember what BM said about your town play being aggressive and bombastic. You didn't play the way a bulletproof town plays, and given both of your claims we have no choice but to end this now.

This is stupid at best and disingenuous at worst. We have literally 19 other options. We have four days to lynch someone else. Yeah, I'm not play agressively. Want to know a fact you can check with my meta.

I've never made it to LyLo as town because I always get lynched. I'm playing less agressively because I would like to actually see a game to it's end.

I mean your role is unverifiable right, so you may as well have claimed vanilla? it's not the strongest claim. I don't think it makes you more or less scummy, so I'm about as happy as I was before.

[Battle Mage]

Ideally before night I'd like Pine/BM to confirm that this was the plan and that they side with ABR here relating to Momo's 1337 but generally this all feels right and makes sense. I think Blake and Elsa look most bad here in terms of associations. I can seeeee why Vecna looks bad too but I kinda still think he's town bc my townread on him was so strong prior, though the sudden pivot to Gamma was a bit odd maybe a "let's set up a future bus" situation if it's like momo/Vecna/Gamma. I was trying to draw attention to Gamma many times this game bc Gamma feels heckin scummy to me still and didn't get any support from Vecna until now once other wagons are a lot more likely to go through

p-edit momo why would you WANT to make it to LYLO as town lol

There wasn't any plan. Basically, everyone was chit-chatting, mostly about how townie-looking Momo was, and then I read the thread and pointed out he was scum. And the rest, is history!

It's not a 3rd party role.

It's a town role. Survivor is just the name of our PT. Being 1-shot trap immune is my role.

Remember what BM said about your town play being aggressive and bombastic. You didn't play the way a bulletproof town plays, and given both of your claims we have no choice but to end this now.

This is stupid at best and disingenuous at worst. We have literally 19 other options. We have four days to lynch someone else. Yeah, I'm not play agressively. Want to know a fact you can check with my meta.

I've never made it to LyLo as town because I always get lynched. I'm playing less agressively because I would like to actually see a game to it's end.

Aggressiveness is a town trait. Scum can coast but town can't afford to. Bulletproof town have an even bigger reason to step up and take space in the game. You think I'm the scum in our PT? I don't believe you.

I wish you were in all my games, I wouldn't get mislynched as often for being too aggressive.

You think I'm the scum in our PT? I don't believe you.

It can't be anyone else.

momo - I know for a fact I'm town.
Pine - Yes, he's lurked a bit but nothing about his play seems particularly scummy.
Battle Mage - I don't like that he's scumreading me, but his casual tone and attempts at actually scumhunting don't seem scummy.
ABR - I can't read you well, but you've tried to make it seem like you're 100% town too deliberately and the way you're pushing this wagon is very sus. Your play seems scummy.

So yeah, out of the 4 of us, you're most likely scum.

This doesn't really match up with your reads in the PT. In the PT you had Pine as scum, me as poss-scum, and ABR as town.

And incidentally, Pine was sure you were town, but where is he now?

At least this hood explanation & hunt makes BM's weird actions a bit more understandable

Dude, you should see how scummy Momo is in the hood.

Well, at least were not losing any strong PR's by lynching Momo. Unless Hectic is town (his indignity to having to claim reads off the charts genuine) and is allowed to get a shot off on Momo, the odds of him ever being targetted by a NK are zero now.

what in the hell is this? ABR - does this stack up to you?

[Battle Mage]

Momo?

Momo, why word it so confusingly and not clarify that in the first post? Also, kindly explain what a fucking Trap is. Is that the gimmick here? Are we dealing with a team of Poisoners?

the more I think about this the more this is a super scummy post regardless of Momo's alignment, btw

I actually don't think I want to assume "there must be a scum in the hood" regarding the Survivor group, if momo townflips I don't think that has to point to scum in the other three. It's good to consider but I'm not convinced it's necessarily true.

I mean, the movies strongly imply that there is an acolyte in the survivors. Ofcourse, that is also the best way for a sadistic mod like cakez ( ) to create some awesome drama in this game.

ANYWAYS

Anyone could also figure out that the survivor PT is most likely to contain the strongest town PR's.

I WANT TO KNOW

_WHO_

In that PT started the witchhunt and instigated the others to join them.

Because -that- is the most likely scumslot in there.

I didn't start the witchhunt, but I perfected it.

[Albert B. Rampage]

what in the hell is this? ABR - does this stack up to you?

Vecna is saying momo will not be NK'd if he's town, yes he's right.

[Battle Mage]

Momo, why word it so confusingly and not clarify that in the first post? Also, kindly explain what a fucking Trap is. Is that the gimmick here? Are we dealing with a team of Poisoners?

the more I think about this the more this is a super scummy post regardless of Momo's alignment, btw

I actually don't think I want to assume "there must be a scum in the hood" regarding the Survivor group, if momo townflips I don't think that has to point to scum in the other three. It's good to consider but I'm not convinced it's necessarily true.

I mean, the movies strongly imply that there is an acolyte in the survivors. Ofcourse, that is also the best way for a sadistic mod like cakez ( ) to create some awesome drama in this game.

ANYWAYS

Anyone could also figure out that the survivor PT is most likely to contain the strongest town PR's.

I WANT TO KNOW

_WHO_

In that PT started the witchhunt and instigated the others to join them.

Because -that- is the most likely scumslot in there.

BM was the one who first said he thought I was scum in the PT and ABR has believed pretty much the entire game that 1 in 4 of us have to be scum.

When I asked him what he thought of Pine lurking, he said Pine had to be scum because 1 in 4 and the rest of us (including me) are prolly town.

When BM asked ABR about me, he said I had to be scum because 1 in 4 and the other 3 (now including Pine) are town.

It’s ridiculously scummy. If that’s ur criteria for voting, vote ABR

This does read like sour grapes to me...

So noone in there started a hunt of sorts to figure out which of the people in your hood were scum? And was pushing the rest to hunt scum in your hood?

we've been working each other out of course!

BM, Pine, momo and I are in a hood. We believe momo is the scum. I was going to run Hectic up to L-1 to see who was eager to save momo and then shift onto momo last minute for the day 1 lynch.

How known within the hood is this sentiment?

First I've heard of it!

Only joking, we all share an unspoken bond.... I feel naked now my hood is outted....I thought we were gonna keep it tight?

So this wasn't discussed in your neighborhood much or at all before now?

I mean, I was the first mover on Momo that's for sure. He was town-read by ABR and Pine before that.

It was never discussed openly, we've all been reading through the lines. All of us think the pt has scum in it.

Yeah that's right.

Xtoxm can you vote momo?

in the sense that he has claimed a weak role, and im ready for the day to end. i guess? but not with any optimism of a scum flip.
and not yet.
there are days on the deadline and this is moving fast. i wanna see how some other slots react to this.

Oddly, I think Xtoxm would not say this in respect of scumbuddy Momo. So scum-Momo means town-Xtoxm. His recent surge in activity is NAI. I've deliberately not bothered to respond to his posts, but I have been reading them.

what in the hell is this? ABR - does this stack up to you?

Vecna is saying momo will not be NK'd if he's town, yes he's right.

I got that bit, but the middle bit:

"unless Hectic is town and gets a shot off on Momo" ??

[Battle Mage]

I'd like to hear from Pine before we lynch Momo.

[Battle Mage]

Also if Momo is scum, Pine is 100% town. I wouldn't be quite as certain on ABR, given he outted the hood which might be his play if he was scum with Momo ahead of a Momo-lynch. Although clearly he'd be probable town still.

[Morning Tweet]

Can we not with the "if we lynch a scum inside of a hood, everyone else in the hood is confirmed town"? Especially if you've got like 7 people in a hood guys, its probably not going to hold true

Xtom why don't you explain a farside or Hectic scumread so we can talk maybe

Far side - instead of trying to work things out with me she is just returning the scumread, bc she expects to win out against me. Otherwise doesnt feel townie. I played with her a lot in the past.

Hectic - my strongest tr is vote there (a50) and abr who I also tr keeps asking me to vote there. Most of the wagon is my townread or townleans. At some point I need to compromise. I dont tr any of the slots on the alternate momo wagon.

I am also confused why you seem to put weight on the things I say, yet have me as a sr. It seems contradictory.

Cause id like to hear you say something, anything, so i have something to base a read off of

Xtoxm has posted plenty enough for you to have a read on him surely?

not really no. I think the only lurkier players at the time had been Pine, maybe George. That inital post was a response to Xtom being displeased with you scumreading him. But like, he hadn't posted enough to justify a townlean, thats for sure

I'm not running anyone else up today. If a doc is out there he can safely guard Hectic without worrying about being forced to claim. I'm ready to wrap this up and go to night if you are too xtoxm.

im not eager to rush onto the cw, tbh
with momo immediately clarifying that its not a 3p claim
1-shot bulletproof claim basically? thats a claim that at this point in the day almost certainly results in momo being lynched. anti-survivalistic claims dont *usually* come from scum..
i think BM is the more likely scum in your hood.

I can kinda see this reasoning. If momo were scum, i'd expect him to claim a stronger role than 1-shot BP. Especially when if he is scum, he's probably not an actual 1-shot BP and that's a fake claim. why fake claim if it's not even gonna be something strong?

still that doubt isn't strong enough for me to change. it does make me uneasy though

Feeling good on: GL, farside, BM, Vecna, Hectic, A50
Feeling good, but less so on: iDany, George, ABR

Vault, EJ, George, iDany are kinda slipping downwards on my list

[Battle Mage]

Hectic is a bad wagon because of votes like these. No reasoning behind them, other than it's a good wagon.

Keep reading, it comes out as you go.

Let's hear what you saw then, Dave, now that we know the case doesn't actually exist. There's not going to be any continuity errors on my watch.

Was waiting to do this till I got to the end of catchup, but found a post that requires my attention.
UNVOTE:

Did you even bother to ISO me? I find it hard to believe you missed what I said. But anyway, I'll go back and point you to the post after I finish.

why did you not believing Hectic, make you less inclined to believe he was scum?

[Albert B. Rampage]

why fake claim if it's not even gonna be something strong?

Mod provided fakeclaim.