Newbie 1996: GAME OVER

[Rectiplanes]

Have I covered Clidd/Tuxedo and 3bounty sufficiently? Who do you want me to explain my read on next?

[humaneatingmonkey]

We can all agree that 3bounty is scum, and needs to be lynched. Why do you have HG as less town than clidd?

[Rectiplanes]

LuckyLuciano's play always looks like hot garbage to me, in that he does a lot of stuff that strikes me as questionable; I graded him on a curve, so to speak, based on knowing how wildly different we approach the game after our last match. With that in mind, I overlooked various weird things like his irrelevant self-meta analysis early on and the weirdly petulant post in #90 until I could see things that accorded with a truly town or scum Lucky. I got some solid hints of it in the sequence of posts he had beginning in post #256 and continuing through the 330s or thereabouts. There were other signs, enough that I tentatively had Lucky in a townblock, and then of course his tracker claim sealed the deal, but I was already buying town-Lucky by that point.

P-edit: randomly started on Lucky, not knowing who you'd ask for next.

[Rectiplanes]

Well, one, Clidd's reads were highly congruent with my own in Day 2. I scored the players as if I didn't know their alignments (InWho, Alatoram, and Yooh) and everything checked out. I would have been.... well, not really happy with an Alatoram lynch on day one, but he would have been in the three-man pool I like to narrow down into on day one. (The other inhabitants of that slot would have been 3bounty and Yooh - my predecessor did not do a great job.) His reads in Day 2 were pretty much dead on with mine. When I see a player obviously thinking about the game in a very similar way, making the same moves I would have, it makes me trust that we have the same alignment. The only divergence was after the wagon stalling began and Clidd was indecisive - I would have hammered 3bounty after a little uncertainty, I think, and definitely would have just to enforce a time out on town once Lucky and Kirari started losing it. I don't think that's scummy, though, I think that's just Clidd's reaction to 3bounty basically saying "YOU solve it, it's on you" in #1394 to him.

Just read # 1436, #1447 - that's some flop sweat from our Bentobox Cucumber, worrying about putting the town in a bad spot if he screws up. This is Town-Clidd staring at two players going all in at the poker table, and he's worried about losing his shirt. If he's scum-Clidd, he's

just plain not under that level of stress

.

[Rectiplanes]

So I guess it's more PoE on Holden. I can buy scum Holden, can't really buy scum Clidd-slot. That being said, I find scum-Holden less likely than scum-Kirari.

[Tuxedo Mask]

I agree on Holden. My scum read on them is very weak, and have them more of the least town of my town block.

[Rectiplanes]

Anything else, HEM? It's getting late and I'm extremely tired.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Nothing further. I just wanted to clarify your POV.

[Rectiplanes]

Alright. I'm getting some sleep. Leaving my vote on 3bounty - I assume it hasn't been cleared? If it has, I'll slap the vote back on tomorrow.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

MOD: Are we getting additional time after all slots are filled?

Yes.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Votecount 2.Redux

3Bounty (1)

- Rectiplanes,

Not Voting (7)

- Tuxedo Mask, Kirari Momobami, LuckyLuciano, 3bounty, HoldenGolden, humaneatingmonkey,

With 7 players alive it takes 4 votes to lynch.

Deadline is in Limbo

Correct The Day Timer is Stopped But the Game is not Stopped. If a lynch is achieved. A lynch will happen.

The picture is my current mood

[Tuxedo Mask]

I've been reading it for fun for a few days now, so it feels like I'm suddenly apart of the play.

You've been reading this game FOR FUN? We better stay away from this guy. He's dangerous.

What were your impressions of peaches/clidd before replacing into his game?

Time to answer this, sorry I got a little paranoid that I'd somehow violate site rules for it.

My impression of peaches was null, but Clidd was town the whole way through with some pretty massive tells as they went on. Their openness to a discussion at the start of day 2, their evolution of their read Kirari, and their reaction to choosing who to hammer all felt town motivated. Someone really thinking of the ramifications of all their actions and genuine paranoia.

It's why I choose to replace their slot specifically, it seemed that their slot would be the least jarring to swap into. As I already agreed with their points.

P.S. I had an epiphany, about us, the replacements. I started rethinking Yooh/Planes slot because I liked what they were saying. But I liked what they were saying because it was everything I was thinking. So I realized that the replacements don't have the burden of being stuck in the muck of this game, and could do some genuine scum hunting without the burden of Role PMs. So I think anything we're saying should be considered NAI until there has been a chance for new muck to be thrown on us.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I don't understand your epiphany. But you could do some genuine scum hunting from the beginning? I don't think you should forget the history behind each slot. It still happened, and that's still AI. Replacing into the slot absolves you from defending the history behind each slot, though.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Peter Pan Replaces LuckyLuciano

[humaneatingmonkey]

Peter Pan Replaces LuckyLuciano

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Peter Pan Replaces LuckyLuciano

You better have a good one for the last replacement now.

[humaneatingmonkey]

we better have the last replacement now, then

[Peter Pan]

*Tink shouting* "LOST BOYS! LOST BOYS! WAKE UP! PAN'S BACK! LOST BOYS LOST BOYS WAKE UP!"

[Tuxedo Mask]

I don't understand your epiphany. But you could do some genuine scum hunting from the beginning? I don't think you should forget the history behind each slot. It still happened, and that's still AI. Replacing into the slot absolves you from defending the history behind each slot, though.

Sorry, I'm just trying to say that scum has to lie, correct? Pretend they're seeing reasons to find people scummy when they really know what everyone's alignment is. But with so many replacements into such a long game, scum has the advantage of being able to genuinely scum hunt before joining the game. So only the game state evolves, I just think it's more important to go with what the old player did. Rather than the new. All in all, it's my reason to agree with everything Planes says and still think their scum.

Also, I'm sorry, have I done something wrong? This is a rather complex game that I'm trying to get the reigns of, I feel pretty confidant in a town block and lynching 3B. I'm not sure what more I can do until the game is fully back on track. Holden and 3B aren't here to question, and I don't much feel like bloating this game further until everyone is caught up.

[HoldenGolden]

Insomnia sucks balls

When you get a chance, can you voice more about your reads? No rush as deadline is locked and there is quite a lot of pages to go through.

You want me to

revisit

this mess? I'll cover much of why I'm voting 3bounty:

Posts 3Bounty made that stick out at me as particularly scummy:
Post #36: Saying LL vs. the ape is scum versus scum. In what universe does a bizarre tinfoily read (usually town, to me; here, LL) and a relatively confused and annoyed player (HEM) count as scum vs scum?
Post #239: Scumleaning Peaches for Peaches' Aloratom vote. Peaches noticed that Aloratam popped in without a random vote - which I find interesting and something to constructive to work with in RVS. It's the opposite of scummy, but 3bounty uses this as an excuse to scumlean a quiet/low content slot. Don't like this at all.
Post #299: Saying a Peaches lynch doesn't give anything going forward, but liking the lynch anyways... what?
Post #359: Blatantly unhelpful, anti-town, and I think this is where I was wondering aloud how he hadn't been lynched yet.
Post #447: Astonishingly scumfriendly readlist. Despite the tons of activity to this point, there are nulls everywhere to hide in, he places his only scumreads on a later-flipped town player and in my opinion the towniest player at that point, and he reads Lucky and Kirari despite their....

questionable

tactics if they're town.

Yeah... basically I don't see a town-3bounty at all. The ape nailed it in 347 - I, too, am 100% sure 3bounty is scum. I just think you guys got distracted by the incredibly toxic interactions between Lucky and Kirari.

I was more asking you to do what tuxedo did on the next page (give one or so sentence summaries of what lead you to your reads list)

Side note, do you normally italicize that much? The tone is werid.

[HoldenGolden]

Fyi since it wasnt apperently seen by the mod

VLA UNTIL MAY 1 DUE TO FINALS

Na I Saw It The First Time.
Elmo

[Peter Pan]

I hear pirates eat monkeys.

is that true, HEM?

[HoldenGolden]

Hey, I got town lock on the LL slot, and HEM, and possible Kirari but I have questions first. With 3b being my top lynch today, and planes a close second.

Here come the reads:
Town
LL Slot: Almost guaranteed power role, locked.
HEM: Their tunneling (or focus) and frustration seem genuine. A town convinced of his own conclusions but constantly looking for new information.
Hoolden: Has some really good posts, and I want them in a town block, but they feel a little flip-floppy for me. Some of their reads seem to change very suddenly.
Planes Slot: Yooh's activity (or lack thereof) is extremely suspect, and the sudden replacement after their anti-town gambit is not good.
3B: Seem like a player constantly saying one thing and acting another. Their votes not lining up with their suspicions, and seem much more focused on just having someone that isn't them end up lynched. Not on finding scum.

Now for Kirari, I would put them as town for their play, but first I'd like to ask questions about the theory of game stalling.
Could someone explain why the game failing to lynch Kirari means they're likely town? Would the stall not be more likely with them being Scum and their buddy not bussing them? And while some of their behavior is town, their accusations of every player that isn't them read as muddying the waters. But that only happened after the game stalled.

Pedit: Precisely.

Spoiler:

I'll explain my kirari read after this as I was the first to suggest town kirari this phase. (Aka I'll quote my post from eariler and give the run down in the theories progression since then)

Where do I flip flop reads? I can understand that day 1, but I've had a pretty set in stone progression day 2 since the kirari post?

Do you think there is any merit in holding Yoohs replacement against the slot? I dont see how that is suspicious since it can easily be town!yooh got annoyed at the gamestate and flaked.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Also, I'm sorry, have I done something wrong? This is a rather complex game that I'm trying to get the reigns of, I feel pretty confidant in a town block and lynching 3B. I'm not sure what more I can do until the game is fully back on track. Holden and 3B aren't here to question, and I don't much feel like bloating this game further until everyone is caught up.

Relax cousin, you're in one of the most widely townread slots in the game. You're fine. You're welcome to share anything in your mind.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I hear pirates eat monkeys.

is that true, HEM?

and some monkeys eat pirates. yes, it's been known to happen.