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[Euphony]

What

is

Kanna's scumtell?

I don't think she wants me outing it lul

_3$)0 Hectic

[Euphony]

I think you and I are very similar, Hectic

(눈‸눈)

Would you scumclaim if you were scum? Be honest.

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[Kanna]

if you know what I'm talking about and i think you do, do you think i'm right because oh my fuking god

[Kanna]

what do you mean by scumclaim? as scum, i constantly feel the need to give up actually and tried to concede many times in strawberry

[Euphony]

what do you mean by scumclaim? as scum, i constantly feel the need to give up actually and tried to concede many times in strawberry

Nevermind lul

if you know what I'm talking about and i think you do, do you think i'm right because oh my fuking god

Is it regarding the Doctar?

9043 Hectic

[OkaPoka]

im lost please tell me whats happening

[DoctorPepper]

...

This is why I barely have anything to contribute to the game.

How do you even read stuff here

[Kanna]

Is it regarding the Doctar?

no

[OkaPoka]

i hope there is a method to these cryptic talks

[Datisi]

this ain't fluff my dude

this is elaborate meta discussion that even i don't understand

and i'm the one that modded strawberry mafia lmao

[DoctorPepper]

this ain't fluff my dude

this is elaborate meta discussion that even i don't understand

and i'm the one that modded strawberry mafia lmao

Yeahhh, not a fan of meta.

I hate to be the guy that tells at clouds and dismisses everything I don't understand as fluff Butz if the shoe fits

[Datisi]

(the shoe don't fit my dude)

[OkaPoka]

ahh meta, something that used to be controversial and now is defacto

[DoctorPepper]

ahh meta, something that used to be controversial and now is defacto

Are you serious? Please tell me you're joking

[OkaPoka]

sorry dr pepper but over time, ms.net has grown increasingly reliant on meta, AtE, and townhunting to PoE down games

and well, i guess it worked because today you have a different landscape than 5 years ago

[DoctorPepper]

I get meta and to an extent town hunting (though honestly both are flawed)

I don't get AtE

[OkaPoka]

well in contrast to the past where towns would probably blame themselves for mislynch, these days a lot of blame is attributed to the mislynched for being bad in not projecting town hard enough or misplaying etc.

mainly because the responsibility of town has now enveloped to include actually acting town, where as i remember in the past, the experienced players would tell me don't worry about looking town as town lol

and AtE well, works in making it harder for you to be lynch and a lot the best players on the site are very good at not being lynched

[DoctorPepper]

These are things easily exploitable by scum noh?

[OkaPoka]

/shrug

im not a big fan of this style of play but towns are doing pretty well on site as a whole rn

[Euphony]

Is it regarding the Doctar?

no

I don't think I get it then.

{: Hectic

[Drew-Sta]

Spoiler:

ico/drew/oka/datsi/euph town (ish)

who thinks this is a bad townlist and why?

No, but Euph was using same approach (and doing it before) as Kanna. In terms of bringing meta into the game as a method of throwing shade.

Well, first it seemed like Kanna and I were about equally scummy to Icon (circa pages 13 and 14 or so). Then Icon said "if I get lynched here lynch kanna next" (page 15) which implies Kanna is scummier than me. This is also seen in the reads list later on that page where Kanna is "prob scum" but I'm just "could be scum." Icon then goes on to vote me and says 1 of me and Kanna is scum but probably not both. So why did Icon feel confident enough to say "if I get lynched here lynch kanna next"? That could potentially lead to two town lynches in a row from town-Icon's perspective. If Icon really thinks that one of Kanna and I are scum, then it should be trying to sort which one is the scum, which I don't think is happening. I also don't think it made sense to call Kanna scummier but then switch votes to me -- maybe scum Icon saw me as the easier target?

The fact you keep citing Ico as scum without forming a really good argument is curious. And no, the above is not a good argument. It's basically OMGUS reasoning. Which is a poor foundation to work with. If you think Icon is scum, form an argument on why utilising posts and the like.

how does assuming ico is scum and then evaluating his actions from there make me scummy? maybe i'm just confbiasing or something

because a towny thought process is "hey a person did a thing" -> "is person town or scum because of it"
and you're going "person is scum" -> "this thing that they did means this"

i.e. not "ico voted me" -> "does that vote and its circumstances make him scum or town?"
but "ico is scum" -> "he is voting me because i'm an easier target"

it's not scumhunting

it's bad-faith painting

which yes i know you've said "ico finds kanna more scum than me" but that in of itself is ehhhh because town doesn't always have their vote on their biggest scumread so like

I agree.

i didn't get as much as i wanted but
i'd say icon came out scummier looking
i'm town-leaning on oka for 364
drew gets town points for going the more difficult path of voting kanna
also not related to my vote but 293 doesn't look like it comes from scum:

Oka, in my opinion, is trying to ride that line between looking scummy and looking town as a means of making themselves appear a poor NK target.

IMHO.

like, this kinda looks like PR hunting at first but if it were

actual

PR hunting then drew would have just posted this in the scum PT instead of in the thread

your vote on me is reasonable from an outside perspective, but I don't see anything alignment-indicative about it yet

Why exactly is Icon scummy.

Don't like 349 as a way to justify his L-1 - part of the reason the game was slow was because Aldu was pretty inactive. I agree with Datisi regarding the consistency thing on Ico. Spotting that Drew-Sta thing in 416 pretty towny though.

Why is 364 towny, Aldu?

Happy with DoctarPepper/Alduskkel wagons I think.

----> Hectic

Why are you happy with DP?

The problem I have with QQ now is that I don't know if this is their scum play or if it's just NAI.

have you attempted to investigate this?

Haven't checked if they have finished games so I can't comment on what I have seen so far from him

Bring in meta all you want, but in this game, what gives you concern about QQ?

IMHO, drawing in meta is shaky grounds to base a read on.

I think you and I are very similar, Hectic

I consider this buddying.

this ain't fluff my dude

this is elaborate meta discussion that even i don't understand

and i'm the one that modded strawberry mafia lmao

Yeahhh, not a fan of meta.

I hate to be the guy that tells at clouds and dismisses everything I don't understand as fluff Butz if the shoe fits

Wait, so you're using meta in 449 but aren't a fan of meta in 510? Explain.

I feel like we haven't discussed kanna enough. He has also ignored my vote on him and the posts I've formulated on him. I believe this is avoiding an issue, given he's effectively gone through and answered other posts.

[Iconeum]

if i get lynched here, lynch kanna next

trust me

Looking back, the overconfidence here does ping me a bit actually. How much of this was driven by emotion at the time, Ico?

}{+~ Hectic

in the midst of that 1v1 / 2v1? most of my posts there were ++emotion

[Iconeum]

Your reasons for picking me as scum looks like scum faking activity and looking for a reason to lynch someone, so there

->I think ur scum because you look like scum faking activity on the first thing that looks or sounds illogical and will take any reason to lynch someone, especially seeing how you never got around to sorting the slot

Pepper, if I used this reasoning to explain why I think ur scum, what would you say to that?

Well it sounds like a discredit

How was that faking activity when it was the first thing on the game?

If anything, the original post was the fake activity because if it was a joke then it did nothing to move the game phase and if it was serious then it was a bad push.

And worse, taking an obv joke seriously is a reason to scum read someone now?

for the last time, the essence is NOT the fact you took a joke seriously
I never pushed you on 'omg you took that joke seriously you must be scum', or that was never my intent

[Iconeum]

. A lot of the game feels. Fluffy to me

have you read the last 12 or so pages?

[Iconeum]

@Ico: do you still have the same opinion on everything? Why did you claim?

I'm re-evaluating because last vote count shows that the 3 votes on my wagon are also literally my 3 scumreads. There may be some bias involved.

My townreads are unchanged. Also still relatively confident of scum in you/aldus, just probably not the both of you. Unsure what to make about you using that meta is 'out of her scum range'. We'll see.

Why claim? Because it advances the game. I believe anyone who gets pushed to L-1 should claim.