Newbie 1996: GAME OVER

[Peter Pan]

Clidd/3bounty
Clidd/Yooh
Clidd/humaneatingmonkey
Clidd/HoldenGolden
3bounty/Yooh
3bounty/HEM
3bounty/HoldenGolden
Yooh/HEM
Yooh/Holden
humaneatingmonkey/HoldenGolden

remarkably close to where i am at rn

[Peter Pan]

I don't know how much weight you can place on those questions... they're the sort of thing that scum would presumably ask about in scum-chat or PM or something, not out in plain view of man and radar, so their presence is just a massive amount of NAI WIFOM, I think.

yeah

first i go "town tell"
then I think "dumb tell"
then i think "wifom"
then I post "ugh" because if this had been done in pm my brain wouldn't hurt

[Rectiplanes]

Clidd/3bounty
Clidd/Yooh
Clidd/humaneatingmonkey
Clidd/HoldenGolden
3bounty/Yooh
3bounty/HEM
3bounty/HoldenGolden
Yooh/HEM
Yooh/Holden
humaneatingmonkey/HoldenGolden

remarkably close to where i am at rn

Er... forgive me if you were being sarcastic, but isn't that a complete set of all permutations of possible scumpairs excluding Kirari herself and claimed-tracker Lucky?

[Peter Pan]

i quoted it wrong. it had strike-outs

one sec

[Peter Pan]

Clidd/3bounty

Clidd/Yooh

Clidd/humaneatingmonkey

Clidd/HoldenGolden

3bounty/Yooh

3bounty/HEM

3bounty/HoldenGolden
Yooh/HEM
Yooh/Holden
humaneatingmonkey/HoldenGolden

[humaneatingmonkey]

why is HG/Yooh out of the equation, and why am I 3bounty's partner?

[humaneatingmonkey]

also, it's never clidd. how is clidd still in your equation?

[Peter Pan]

yeah okay im still getting names right and that should be holden/3b for me not you/3b but the real takeaway was supposed to be that I'm kind of meshing with kirari by that point in my reading

I forget why exactly she was crossing out holden in that moment, though I figure kirari is probably off the table by present posts and it's less relevant

clidd is not off the table for me by 1375. I am currently super underwhelmed by his meta efforts on you and holden

I'm rolling around in teams including {3b, holden, you, clidd} atm

I'm town reading yoon for d2 interactions early with kirari, the VT claim, and the dumbtell

If I had to guess the team this second it would be Holden/3b because

D1 you are turning around on 3b, and he gets put to L-1 or at least someone says he's L-1 and all of a sudden holden is there unvoting him and refusing to even talk with you about it because of bad blood

D2 they both start with this wishy washy approach to Kirari. 3B says the hammer isn't scummy but the PR hunt is (it isn't.) and holden says that kirari looks scum but is town.

Then people about face on kirari and all of a sudden 3B and holden can't stop talking to one another and it feels like theater. I can almost hear them trying to decide if they've done enough and then doing a little more

[Peter Pan]

mind you these associative tells are not the core of the solve (although i am jumping in at d2 end so forgive me a little for the associatives)

I scum read 3B. I scum read Holden. I haven't managed to get you and clidd out of my poe yet, and my brain can't help thinking about teams at the same time

[Peter Pan]

@HEM is clidd off the table for you because he had an opportunity to hammer either of Kirari or 3B and did not?

[HoldenGolden]

yeah okay im still getting names right and that should be holden/3b for me not you/3b but the real takeaway was supposed to be that I'm kind of meshing with kirari by that point in my reading

I forget why exactly she was crossing out holden in that moment, though I figure kirari is probably off the table by present posts and it's less relevant

clidd is not off the table for me by 1375. I am currently super underwhelmed by his meta efforts on you and holden

I'm rolling around in teams including {3b, holden, you, clidd} atm

I'm town reading yoon for d2 interactions early with kirari, the VT claim, and the dumbtell

If I had to guess the team this second it would be Holden/3b because

D1 you are turning around on 3b, and he gets put to L-1 or at least someone says he's L-1 and all of a sudden holden is there unvoting him and refusing to even talk with you about it because of bad blood

D2 they both start with this wishy washy approach to Kirari. 3B says the hammer isn't scummy but the PR hunt is (it isn't.) and holden says that kirari looks scum but is town.

Then people about face on kirari and all of a sudden 3B and holden can't stop talking to one another and it feels like theater. I can almost hear them trying to decide if they've done enough and then doing a little more

You very much missed the context of what happened.

For starters I genuinely thought he reached L1 when I had questions from other players I wanted answers for. Second, the bad blood post is a joke and I did actually interact with monkey shortly after that post when he pitched his LL/3b scum team.

While I think there is some equity in 3b/LL team, it's not for exactly what you posted HEM

A decent chuck of LL's read on 3b is built on associating him with Alo. Alo is still the lynch pin either way for why LL thinks 3b is scummy too. Not it's not entirely the whole read, but the last quote in that post was focused on how 3b was defending Alo while pushing peaches.

The issue here is the Alo lynch pin. The mislynch for scum!LL provides the backpedal out of the read on his partner 3b in this case. Additionally how 3b threw out throwing town cred to LL for his interactions with Alo for assuming dealing with him (?) Is wonky too.

Regardless, outside of post game swag, I dont think there is much point in trying to build a team right now.

As for kirari, how is making a read about the game state wishywashy when I stuck with it for the majority of day 2, only reconsidering post tracker claim for obvious reasons? Then going on to try and make the thread declare stances on kirari?

If I'm scum with 3b, why the hell would I oppose the kirari wagon to begin with and then jump on my partner?

[HoldenGolden]

is kirari also mastina because if not i think they are high percentage town in any world

They are a Krazy alt if that helps

[Peter Pan]

I think I can take HEM out of my poe
p.edit haven't read your stuff yet holden

[HoldenGolden]

I don't know how much weight you can place on those questions... they're the sort of thing that scum would presumably ask about in scum-chat or PM or something, not out in plain view of man and radar, so their presence is just a massive amount of NAI WIFOM, I think.

Though having two of our SE's ask is decidedly odd-feeling. Y'all should know this without asking.

P-edit: I have no idea who Mastina is.

Also questions to the mods should never be considered AI.

For example: Last time I played in mafia was before 1950 where set up change. Multitasking RB is normal on mafiascum, but I had thought that it wasnt in the case for newbies given the d3 set up. Since I and other people where questioning it, I asked mod directly to publically resolved the issue so they dont get 4 different pms asking the same question. None of that is inherently scum or town indicative.

[HoldenGolden]

Hem is never scum here if 3b flips red

I might be using that as an excuse not to finish the rest of the analysis on him but shh

[Peter Pan]

In a world where it is you + 3B, 375 reads as such:

Hey buddy, I see where you're coming from in thinking that 3B is scum and we can definitely go that route, but please let me distract you with this shiny mislynch that is waaay more important

which is basically scum 101 partner protection strats

Your read on Kirari is wishy washy in the sense that you're like "I'm not going to vote for Kirari, but here's why ya'll should lynch her." Kirari was under a ton of pressure, and while I don't know your playstyle, I know that town!me is omitting all the reasons to lynch there if I actually want people to not lynch there.

[Peter Pan]

I believe that the fact that I had the hammer in two different wagons implies that both scums should probably be on the same wagon, as it seems very robotic to have two wagons on L-1 simultaneously, especially after Luciano announced himself as PR.



Which also supports the thesis that at least one of the wagons is on a scum player, because otherwise a counter-wagon would not have materialized in such a way.

If the team is 3B + holden, holden is pretty boxed in by the time these wagons are forming and comes out of either lynch with a strong chance to win the game. Either by good associations and being on his partner's lynch rather than hammering kirari, or by letting you hammer kirari while being off wagon. I don't see why the VC requires two scum on the same wagon.

[HoldenGolden]

The Alo lynch pin is referencing LLs read on 3b not mine (unless you are talking about my push on kirari at the time?). If it is about kirari, I wanted to force out the reasoning for why they were saying I'm scum without them actually explaining why for pretty straightforward reasonings.

And how so? I directly said I did not agree with a major part of why she was getting lynched (the PR fishing -> night kill spec) and despite my suspicions of her from the previous day phase, the gamestate painted her as town. I then proceeded to interrogate and find scum by analyzing Yooh and 3b.

I would get your read if I said I leaned somewhat and didnt do anything, but I actively was hunting scum post that while refuting major parts of her lynch.

[Peter Pan]

i'm good with either a 3bounty and a kirari lynch and i'm not gonna be surprised if both are scum in the end.

im pretty sure maf kariri didn't hammer d1 just to end up in a competing wagon with their partner d2 so like??

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Votecount 2.Replacement

3Bounty (1)

- Rectiplanes,

Not Voting (6)

- Tuxedo Mask, Kirari Momobami, Peter Pan, 3bounty, HoldenGolden, humaneatingmonkey,

With 7 players alive it takes 4 votes to lynch.

Deadline is in Limbo

Correct The Day Timer is Stopped But the Game is not Stopped. If a lynch is achieved. A lynch will happen.

[HoldenGolden]

i'm good with either a 3bounty and a kirari lynch and i'm not gonna be surprised if both are scum in the end.

im pretty sure maf kariri didn't hammer d1 just to end up in a competing wagon with their partner d2 so like??

Not to mention other stuff like 3b preventing their partner from getting a counter wagon going by townreading their choice (Yooh)

The kirari slot is town.

[Peter Pan]

Do we really think that scum is saying to 50/50 the lynch when they are one of the options?

yeah, past me, I do

[Peter Pan]

Oh my god im finally caught up

{3B, HG} is the solve.

monkey is right that clidd/tuxedo is out of the poe

If somehow 3B doesn't flip scum I dunno, I guess HG + HEM? Which I know doesn't make sense but I'm going to have a super hard time finding a vote on planes' slot

[Peter Pan]

VOTE: 3Bounty

wait for replacement, don't wait for replacement... I think I'm indifferent

[Peter Pan]

*Ahem*

GOODNIGHT, NEVERLAAAAAND!

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