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[Klick]

Votecount 2.06

Gamma Emerald (3): Morning Tweet, Adorable, Aloratom
profii (1): davesaz
davesaz (1): Wake88
Aloratom (1): AaronFrost
AaronFrost (1): profii
bob3141 (1): Hectic
HoldenGolden (0):
Adorable (0):
Hectic (0):
Wake88 (0):
Morning Tweet (0):

Not Voting: HoldenGolden, Gamma Emerald, bob3141

With

11

alive, it takes

6

to lynch.

The day will end in (expired on 2020-05-01 23:00:00).

AaronFrost is V/LA until the 29th.
HoldenGolden is V/LA until May 1st.

[Aloratom]

Why?

I wasn't voting anywhere, and, while I think the Wake/Dave/Hectic/MT group is worth exploring, I'm inclined to believe Dave's claim and I don't see a stronger argument for anyone other than Gamma right now. I'm not sure why Wake is still voting Dave. I don't know that your take on Bob is all that great, nor is profii's on Aaron. Probably the one I agree with the most is profii because Aaron's case on me is so weak and manufactured, but without more I'm not going to vote there yet although as I type this I'm tempted.

[Gamma Emerald]

I object to voting lynching Gamma Day 2. I was the first to vote tictac. Gamma joined me after that. Gamma stayed on the tictac/Chemist wagon all the way to the end. Unless Gamma is Scum and was doing a hard-bus of his teammate, I don't think Gamma is Scum. WHY are people voting him?

I also tuned out around Page 12 so leshrug
Like Morning Tweet is right that I was in a bad place to unvote if I was Chemist’s buddy

The main issue with your statement is the term “hard-bussing”. I wasn’t active for a lot of D1 so it’s hard to call my actions hard-anything. I don’t think you’re scum but you do seem to be arguing a case with a sizable hole in it

Why are you siding against yourself?

Because if he’s gonna defend me I don’t want him using bad logic

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Aloratom

We have a little over four days left and some people haven't moved their votes since RVS. Put your votes in play people.

btw the purpose of this post wasn't to make us power lynch someone, I had looked at the vc and noticed there were still votes from RVS in play which was weird to me.

Like 4 days is ample time so we don't need to rush but there should definitely be more serious votes rn.

Hrm...

I dunno if I like this because I was one of those with an outstanding RVS vote and it was on flipped scum so...

[Gamma Emerald]

I said earlier I didn't have a read on Alora because I didn't know what was playstyle I think

At this point I'll keep it for self-pres though

VOTE: Chemist

^ There's also this weird post from Chemist regarding Alora

I think that’s actually one of the posts by Chemist that makes Alora town

(I’m ISOing Aaron FYI)

[Gamma Emerald]

I realized something about the tictac wagon-- I think regardless of tictac's alignment, there's probably scum on it. Okay maybe that's not a super hard deduction to make but bear with me here

I agree with this

VOTE: aaron actually
I'm less certain Chemist is scum here and Aaron is not making me feel good about this wagon

I could go for this.

VOTE: AaronFrost

Aloratom joins the Aaron wagon which kinda suggests he might be trying to create one that isn't him/Misty.

Yeah that vote looked super opportunistic at the time, even more so now.

Gamma and profii are other options I could look into as well.

I don’t think Aaron had made mention of this until now, getting some metoo scum vibes

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: AaronFrost

Yeah I don’t like the way he’s been consistently pushing A-Tom
Feels a bit like he’s got some sunk cost going on there

[AaronFrost]

I'll be able to give this more attention tomorrow

[Wake1]

If Dave is a Town Doctor then he should be protecting me Night 2. If he does not, and I die, then I would say he's either Scum or deliberately didn't protect a Town PR.

I would like for Morning Tweet to claim since we already know he performed an action.

[HoldenGolden]

So, 2 PRs have already claimed lul. Maybe we out Morning at this point and see if the power level is reasonable for a watcher + doc + ???. Don't take that as an invitation to out yet, Morning.

I think we should play it like this:

Morning, if you have a

strong

role, and don't think it should exist with Dave/Wake,

and

a potential town neighbouriser out there, then you should "counterclaim" and I think it's beneficial to actually lynch the scummiest of you 3.

If your role is weak/moderate power level, then you should keep quiet, and I think we just ignore you 3 since scum can't really afford to leave all the PRs alive.

Actually, having just thought that all out, I think it's best we just leave you all alive regardless and see who scum kills, and then look at the survivors more closely.

Issue with that is we have to assume there are 3 town prs. Which not only seems low to me, but it also depends on how to factor in the enabler into it.

Enabler is from my understanding negative utility. Would watcher/neighborizer/neighborizer enabler/doc make sense? Is there room for more PRs?

I have no clue and would like others to answer.

Also plofi/ people who think the neighborizer is scum, can you explain why a bit more?

[HoldenGolden]

This is telling me Holden is doing real detective work here

Could still be scum but definitely leans town for now

How do you draw that from what you quoted?

I provided no actual quotes nor detailed explaintions about what I read. For all you know I could of entirely made it up since it came to no real conclusion. How is that real detective work?

[HoldenGolden]

Like I get the notion "hey he is thinking about situations like this, this is townie" but it is undermined by the lack of details.

[HoldenGolden]

I have comments about the MT/wake interaction but I'm too tired to properly format it on mobile. Shall be a task for tomorrow

[HoldenGolden]

Voyeur is a lot more useful since you can get the role used. Watcher just gets the name.

Don't you think scum!Wake could just as easily be trying to watch town to catch some other town PRs? Let's say we lynch me and I flip town, with how much confidence are you willing to say that Wake is a TOWN watcher? Like, percentage-wise.

Voyeur is a lot more useful since you can get the role used. Watcher just gets the name.

Don't you think scum!Wake could just as easily be trying to watch town to catch some other town PRs? Let's say we lynch me and I flip town, with how much confidence are you willing to say that Wake is a TOWN watcher? Like, percentage-wise.

Normally you dont pay me any attention, yet you seem really concerned about me talking about this theory even though you said you dont think I'm trying to lynch you

Honestly, I'm flattered

You didn't answer the question, profii. I'm concerned about whether you actually believe what you believe.

*believe what you say

If I'm right im the greatest scum hunter in this game. You are asking me have I got the balls to push hard for this glory?

He deflects when further questioned about it in both of these posts.

While I dont disagree with the logic, it is kinda funny you out of all people is providing it since comedic deference is a part of your playstyle lol

[HoldenGolden]

Scum had a 1-shot Jailkeeper which might've been for this scenario, but they could also have a roleblocker of some sort.

Waka and Dave shouldn't establish who they're targeting in-thread. They should just follow their hearts in the night and try and predict who scum picks.

1109 from profii placates me somewhat. Always rated you, profii.

VOTE: Bobman

(Gamma is still my preferred choice unless he does something)

Isnt the 1-shot JK essentially a RB though? What leads you to think that mafia would have two rb abilities with the potential to rb twice in one night?

[HoldenGolden]

Jesus I just realized how much I've procasted this game. Never will be playing mafia during finals again. Makes me to remove.

Considering tomorrow is my reading day I'm going to focus on here at least enough to be somewhat helpful considering my general feeling of apathy rn

[profii]

I think profii is town. On #526 he broke the tie on the Chemist/Aloratom wagon and if profii was scum I think he would have voted Aloratom instead of voting Chemist.

What difference does that make?

[bob3141]

You're trying to wagon bob why?

I still don't like his weird push on Dave and end of day defence of Misty yesterday in 696 and posts surrounding it.

And what push is that?

I havent pushed dave once day two. If you dint like my push on dave day one then shouldnt you have voted for me straight away?

[bob3141]

In fact i thought it would be obvous at the moment that im town reading both dave and tweet


Prety much if your reason for your vote on me hectic is due to you thinking im pushign dave when im not. Inst your vote on me just a little flawed

[profii]

What's going on here guys

[Klick]

AaronFrost has requested replacement.

[Hectic]

I wanted to get another wagon going to see if anyone would bite, Bobman. Apparently not.

Gamma is still by far my preffered lynch and he hasn't done anything to prove otherwise. It's a little worrying how there's absolutely no counterwagons, but this vote

VOTE: AaronFrost

Yeah I don’t like the way he’s been consistently pushing A-Tom
Feels a bit like he’s got some sunk cost going on there

-does bring AaronFF up to two votes. The other scum probably can't afford to be so vocal and link themselves to Gamma, so if Gamma does flip scum, it's unlikely profii is the other for being the other vote on the AFF wagon.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Game's pretty stalled at the moment. Happy with ending this day.

[Hectic]

Isnt the 1-shot JK essentially a RB though? What leads you to think that mafia would have two rb abilities with the potential to rb twice in one night?

I don't. I'm hypothesising they

may

have like a X-shot roleblocker, or JOAT with a rb ability too.

Wake and Dave should follow their hearts regardless. Nothing should be predetermined here.

[Klick]

Creature has replaced AaronFrost.

[Klick]

bump