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Post Post #1150 (ISO) » Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:06 am

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Gamma Emerald (4): Morning Tweet, Adorable, Aloratom, Hectic
Creature (2): profii, Gamma Emerald
profii (1): davesaz
davesaz (1): Wake88
Aloratom (1): Creature
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Not Voting: HoldenGolden, bob3141

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The day will end in (expired on 2020-05-01 23:00:00).

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Post Post #1151 (ISO) » Wed Apr 29, 2020 12:06 pm

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Starting my catch up with Gamma considering we have a lynch relatively soon and they are leading it.

Gamma overall feels very underwelling, but it seems various RL things have impacted their ability to play as well as self-admitted apathy. Yet, I think there are some key points that do push gamma more as town than scum. One of those is the posts made after them pushing Chemist to L1

Spoiler: posts
In post 552, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 539, Hectic wrote:The PR claim doesn't really change anything for me. Sorry :c

Btw, I still scumread Gamma: Any particular reason you're struggling to get into this game, Gamma? Why the Misty vote, and do you have any other reads to share?

Misty, is it bad that I just realised your shirt pocket is actually a thumbs up?
I’m more just not trying at all rn, not bored enough yet but I think I might be able to convert some pent up energy into fuel to propel me through this game
The vote is because I think the wagon is less bad rn
I don’t get why A-Tom is being voted
In post 514, Gamma Emerald wrote:Why are people voting A-Tom?
In post 608, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 593, AaronFrost wrote:
In post 574, SirCakez wrote:
In post 571, HoldenGolden wrote:
In post 555, SirCakez wrote:
In post 541, Morning Tweet wrote:I realized something about the tictac wagon-- I think regardless of tictac's alignment, there's probably scum on it. Okay maybe that's not a super hard deduction to make but bear with me here
I agree with this

VOTE: aaron actually
I'm less certain Chemist is scum here and Aaron is not making me feel good about this wagon
Cake your here. Why does chemist feel less scummy to you?
He seems just lost and confused. Also that would be a weird choice of fakeclaim imo.
I feel scum would be freaking out more
The claim may not necessarily be fake, he could just be a scum 1-shot jailkeeper. I think I want to leave that claim alone for today though.

Also I disagree with that last sentence, I think more often than not scum try to maintain their composure when under pressure.
My take is a 1-Shot PR is a good option for a safe scum fakeclaim. I have tried it myself, though I fucked up the execution with too many bells and whistles. I don’t see anything indicating Chemist is fakeclaiming but I don’t think his claim is in itself a point for his survival.


While we do not know alo's alignment, we do know chemist's. I find the stance gamma takes here quite interesting due to how much it would force the scum team to lock in a bus. I don't think it is a stretch to say that scum was planning to bus around then, but Gamma's posts fully locks down any potential of him helping his partner chem. Gamma's criticism of the jk claim hardly helps scum since the claim was one of the relatively few things keeping chemist afloat. I don't think scum ever expects chem to make it pass day 2, but getting an mislynching in fixes the cost of scum losing a member.

While it is possible scum!gamma stayed on the chemist wagon while the other member left themselves open to an Alo wagon (assuming Alo is town), I find it equally puzzling of why gamma was picked to have the more advantageous spot post flip considering how lackluster they were in everyone's eyes. If anything, I would expect scum!gamma to be the one to leave the door open to try and get more value out of their partner dying.
In post 1094, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1050, Wake1 wrote:Gamma, Aloratom, if neither of you want to be lynched Day 2 I would ask that you please join me in lynching davesaz if you aren't already.
Any logic besides the idea he (and AaronFFrost) we’re voting A-Tom as a counterwagon? I don’t find that idea particularly conclusive.
Although slightly weaker due to Gamma flipping on this after an ISO dive (vote on aaron), I think the rebutted against Wake's forced survival statement/threat by not caving in is also pointing to a town gamma. Furthermore, the fact Gamma picked AaronFFrost and not Dave to park his vote on also reinforces this as AFF was not in Wake's direct focus of lynching into the PR pool. I think if scum!gamma was trying to come onto a wagon to attempt to survive this phase, it aligns himself with the person he knows will help carry it by pleasing Wake (since Wake's play-style is aggressive and opinionated enough to not cave in if he feels he is right).

There is also the point that I brought up about how the wagons have progressed and not much has changed really about it. Hectic defined it as stagnation which I agree with. However, the wagon of gamma is stagnating with only mild resistance unlike when it stalled day 1 when both chem and alo were tired and it was a slog to push over that bump. I didn't see anybody's reads who is on the wagon as them sowing the seeds for another lynch day 3, but if Wake is town and this push to get the PR pool lynched is town driven, then why does scum necessary need to do any doubt planting? The answer is they dont. I do think the logic is edging onto WIFOM territory since we have to make assumptions about Wake, but it does show a world where it makes sense for the stagnation to occur and gamma is town.

TLDR: I see Gamma as town despite the low amount of posts. Their play does not align with what I think gamma's scum motivation would of been both during day 1 and now. Rather, they feel as disinterested town. I do not like a lynch there today. Not only does it not provide much info in all honesty, but I doubt the slot is scum.
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Post Post #1152 (ISO) » Wed Apr 29, 2020 12:26 pm

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In post 1147, Hectic wrote:
In post 1139, HoldenGolden wrote:Isnt the 1-shot JK essentially a RB though? What leads you to think that mafia would have two rb abilities with the potential to rb twice in one night?
I don't. I'm hypothesising they
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have like a X-shot roleblocker, or JOAT with a rb ability too.

Wake and Dave should follow their hearts regardless. Nothing should be predetermined here.
So you are considering scum has 2 rb abilities with the ability to do both at the same night outside of the JOAT point lol?

I mean yeah, thats kinda obvious they shouldnt telegraph anything
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Post Post #1153 (ISO) » Wed Apr 29, 2020 12:41 pm

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In post 1144, profii wrote:What's going on here guys
What are your reads right now?

Your ISO is very all over the place with your suspicions and makes posts like this:
In post 1111, profii wrote:So we are trying to say that Wake is a full watcher and dave is some kind of doctor.

Let's assume that's right and Dave protects Wake, whilst Wake watches Dave

We make the assumption either 2 things happen:

scum pick off townies until it's Dave and Wake vs ? and we have to try and get 1 scum lynch before Lylo to basically use our Innos to walk to victory

or scum try and gambit that Dave isn't a full doctor and pick off Wake ~at some point~


this seems borderline game breaking so I don't believe it. Combined with the paranoia of hectic dismissing my theories, it's making me think something here stinks.



So let's consider Dave trying to lure out the 'real' doctor... Dave would never die because he is scum, we would then get suspicious and Dave would say 'ah but of course scum wont kill me, Wake is watching me' and Wake won't die because scum are using Wake's presence to use it as an excuse for Dave.

Some people say WIFOM is an overused term, I feel like it applies here to the way my brain is processing this scenario.
Feel made to introduce and play off of paranoid rather than following an overarching progression. You are looking into both the PR pool lynch candidates and non-PR pool, yet in a manner that feels aimless.

I think neighborizer is likely town. You have expressed it as scum role. I see some of your points, but what do you make of mine? I keep asking for people to discuss it with and nobody wants to.

(FYI I am going down the player list)
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Post Post #1154 (ISO) » Wed Apr 29, 2020 1:48 pm

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my read on dave depends on knowledge of town!dave that I dont have. Overall I see some towny aspects, but there are some spots that provide a counter to that.

His play-style is one concern I have as while I understand letting others figure out the points you see as a method to scum hunt, there are instances where he does it and never brings it back up when town doesn't pick up on it.
Spoiler:
In post 241, davesaz wrote:I'd prefer not to answer on Wake's intent in 180 atm. Technically there is both a scum and town motivation possible for that kind of question, and it needs to play out to know for sure.
In post 253, davesaz wrote:
In post 249, SirCakez wrote:MT why drop a readslist so early?
There is a better question for MT's readslist. Let's see how many people figure out what it is.
In post 916, davesaz wrote:
In post 915, Hectic wrote:
In post 895, davesaz wrote:How do you feel about Hectic?
Why did you ask bobman that, Dave?
Kinda want to know the answer to that question from everyone. Bob happened to be here at the time.
It's better to not talk in depth about why, at least for now.

These points mark instances where Dave mentions some sort of AI relevant point, yet it is seemingly dropped later on. I don't expect town to follow up on every thought they had, but with this playstyle in particular, I do expect dave to follow up on stuff of greater significance such as the Hectic post trying to force others to answer it. The fact he is not makes me question how much he genuinely is putting into these trains of thoughts.

I think his Wake interactions d2 are wishywashy in terms of trying to read. While he doesn't discredit or outright counterpush Wake's claim, his presentation subtly weakens his own read on it.
In post 1013, davesaz wrote:Reminder once again (I think? or did I decide not to post it?) that scum watchers are a thing.
Wake is far from conf here, and could be the non-town targeting Hectic,
if there is one.
I tend to think town though because I think scum would prefer to keep their watcher hidden and kill the found PRs.


My thoughts are that we should leave all 4 of those players alone. (myself, Hectic, Wake, Morning Tweet)
It would not be the first time I've seen multiple PR target the same player. IIRC in one game I saw the same player get targeted by 7 (!!) town PRs the same night.
His presentation of Wake here transplants doubt despite his town read. He has a solid reasoning to town read Wake due to the claim, yet feels incline to bring up the situation where Wake is scum targeting Hectic. I would feel more fine with the post if Dave had said something like "While he is not confirmed, I do find Wake's claim town b/c [etc]". It is possible to read this too with the latter half as him trying to create an excuse to not lynch into the PR pool, but I feel fundamentally that part is NAI.

Also problematic is his dropping of focus on Alo despite him feeling very strong about the wagons being SvS day 1
In post 858, davesaz wrote:
In post 668, davesaz wrote:Aloratom voted you and was evasive on why.
Being evasive on why you voted someone, especially during RVS, is suspicious.
You seemed to be trying to ignore that this was happening.
When I asked you about it, you said "he votes people for no reason as scum" but conveniently ignored the fact he had voted you for no reason.
Only after I asked a followup, you realized that it had been a logical inconsistency. So you now tried to brush off the initial vote as RVS -- but if you realized that was the case then why try to explain it away differently in the previous question.

Neither of you are giving what I would call straightforward answers, when asked what you're thinking.
You're attacking me, when the logic of what I'm pushing is very straightforward. It's perfectly fine if you don't agree with it, even better if you can give a cohesive answer on why it's wrong, not so much that you try to dismiss it as being nothing.
@Aloratom, the above was an answer to Bob on why I thought he is scum, who you tried to signal to as traitor. It's exactly the same reasoning that led me to think you're traitor in the first place. I'll rephrase it in those terms.

Alo votes Bob in RVS timeframe and says it's serious in the post.
When asked about why it's serious, he tries to push the question off on Bob.
When asked again, he again tries to push the question off.
Then later finally admits it was RVS.

RVS timeframe voting for someone who is "definite scum" is a traitor tell.
Failing to immediately say "yo dude RVS joke, why don't you get this?" when asked about it <twice!!> is evasive and reinforces the tell.
Not doing it to all the scum is a <relatively smart> traitor tell.

Furthermore your behavior toward the tictac/Chemist wagon reeks of knowing it's scum, trying to divert the lynch to literally anyone else, and then finally giving in to the bus at the end. Especially calling the slot scummy but refusing to vote it when you were the leading wagon. Town!you should immediately vote the highest scum wagon, over letting yourself be the top wagon.
However, he shifts focus onto hectic and now onto polifi (I cannot spell his name deal with it) and hasn't brought up this point again. This is a relatively strong conviction in scum!Alo and the dynamics of the day 1 wagon, so why is he voting outside of it? Especially when the pol. vote is, from what I am assuming, him mis-remembering the MT crumbed the QT and not him. I don't see how that holds much more confident than what he puts into his scum read on Alo, unless I am missing something.

TLDR: While some of my issues with Dave can be chalked up to playstyle, I think there are issues with how he presents information while also seemingly not following his own read progressions. There seems to be a disconnect between them and what he reflects now in his actual posting and voting. scum lean.

@Dave, What is your read currently on Alo?
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Post Post #1155 (ISO) » Wed Apr 29, 2020 1:55 pm

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I'm not convinced on Gamma being Scum.

Would need to see the reasoning for it boiled down to specifics.
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Post Post #1156 (ISO) » Wed Apr 29, 2020 1:59 pm

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Actually, does it make sense for Doc!Dave to target Hectic day 1?

I cannot remember if he replaced hectic as town after stating his early town read was falling.
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Post Post #1157 (ISO) » Wed Apr 29, 2020 2:00 pm

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In post 1155, Wake1 wrote:I'm not convinced on Gamma being Scum.

Would need to see the reasoning for it boiled down to specifics.
Do you agree with the points I raised for town!gamma and/or do you have your own you would like to contribute?
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Post Post #1158 (ISO) » Wed Apr 29, 2020 2:04 pm

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Post Post #1159 (ISO) » Wed Apr 29, 2020 2:05 pm

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Spoiler:
In post 431, davesaz wrote:My confidence in Hectic town is also waning.
In post 485, davesaz wrote:
In post 437, Hectic wrote:That's clearly not all I'm doing though. Dave, why don't you consider , , , or as scumhunting?
I see you stating a few opinions, but I don't see you engaging in conversation to strengthen or validate the opinions.
In post 624, davesaz wrote:
In post 623, Hectic wrote:Check his wiki. The graph also correlates to his towniness.

More votes on Misty everyone. I don't see anything better than the metacase today.
Making a joke wiki page about someone isn't useful at all.

Considering the actual read on Hectic stopped at ~250 posts till EoD, I am inclined to say its NAI. There is enough room for doc!dave to change his mind, as the wiki comment is more a remark about being useful then him being scummy.

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Post Post #1160 (ISO) » Wed Apr 29, 2020 2:07 pm

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Let's talk about the spoiler stuff first.

Wake's 180 was the backdrop of my entire Aloratom push. Thinking that I never followed up on it would imply that you have paid no attention to the game at all.

The 2nd spoilered thing was about Morning Tweet's reads list that had only town reads. MT answered about 2 posts later. Again if you both to look at the context and think about it, it's obvious why no further followup.

3rd spoilered question was an attempt to find out what Wake and MT's reads on Hectic were, in a roundabout fashion, and also to see if people were employing critical thinking about those reads. Pre-existing reads on a player drive which types of PRs will target that player. I found out that we all thought Hectic was town.

I still scumread Aloratom, but I'm not going to fight with my townreads who insist he's towny.

I pointed out Wake's claim as potentially coming from scum so that if I die the remaining townies have a glimmer of hope of catching him -- if he is scum.
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Post Post #1161 (ISO) » Wed Apr 29, 2020 2:08 pm

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Reminder that voting the claimed protective makes you a policy target.
VOTE: wake88

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Post Post #1162 (ISO) » Wed Apr 29, 2020 2:10 pm

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Post Post #1163 (ISO) » Wed Apr 29, 2020 2:23 pm

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In post 1135, HoldenGolden wrote:
This is telling me Holden is doing real detective work here

Could still be scum but definitely leans town for now
How do you draw that from what you quoted?

I provided no actual quotes nor detailed explaintions about what I read. For all you know I could of entirely made it up since it came to no real conclusion. How is that real detective work?
Maybe you could not gut the link to the quoted post if you’re going to ask me to refer back to something?
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Post Post #1164 (ISO) » Wed Apr 29, 2020 2:24 pm

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In post 1161, davesaz wrote:Reminder that voting the claimed protective makes you a policy target.
VOTE: wake88

HoldenGolden, drop it or you're next.
Who says I am going to vote you considering I am not done with my ISO analysis?

Why are resorting to intimidation to try to get me to back off?
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In post 249, SirCakez wrote:MT why drop a readslist so early?
Locating town is my #1 goal on day one, and I like to be fairly open book on who I'm digging at the moment. Generating content from reactions is a plus as well
This isn't a clear shut case like you are proposing given the way you worded the MT post.
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Post Post #1165 (ISO) » Wed Apr 29, 2020 2:24 pm

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Post Post #1166 (ISO) » Wed Apr 29, 2020 2:27 pm

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In post 1161, davesaz wrote:Reminder that voting the claimed protective makes you a policy target.
VOTE: wake88

HoldenGolden, drop it or you're next.
Interesting you say you’re “claimed protective” since you acted so cagey about actually claiming.
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Post Post #1167 (ISO) » Wed Apr 29, 2020 2:29 pm

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Nobody has had any trouble understanding it.
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Post Post #1168 (ISO) » Wed Apr 29, 2020 2:29 pm

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In post 1163, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1135, HoldenGolden wrote:
This is telling me Holden is doing real detective work here

Could still be scum but definitely leans town for now
How do you draw that from what you quoted?

I provided no actual quotes nor detailed explaintions about what I read. For all you know I could of entirely made it up since it came to no real conclusion. How is that real detective work?
Maybe you could not gut the link to the quoted post if you’re going to ask me to refer back to something?
Ok I looked back through my ISO and you could have pulled that out of your ass but it would be a peculiar move to do so imo

Like I think even if you were scum whiteknighting me you wouldn’t go to such lengths
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Post Post #1169 (ISO) » Wed Apr 29, 2020 2:30 pm

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In post 1163, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1135, HoldenGolden wrote:
This is telling me Holden is doing real detective work here

Could still be scum but definitely leans town for now
How do you draw that from what you quoted?

I provided no actual quotes nor detailed explaintions about what I read. For all you know I could of entirely made it up since it came to no real conclusion. How is that real detective work?
Maybe you could not gut the link to the quoted post if you’re going to ask me to refer back to something?
I can dig for it, but its the post where I considered the game state and reflected on it.
Spoiler: found it
In post 1093, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1043, HoldenGolden wrote:
In post 1041, Morning Tweet wrote:
In post 1025, HoldenGolden wrote:I also have feelings to the gamma lynch so far that impacts this somewhat, but I have to check the way the votes have fallen so far to make sure i am reading the wagon dynamic correctly. TLDR on that: The lack of any real directed countermeasure to the gamma lynch concerns me as he is at 4 votes verses the second highest being 1 iirc. That, and that there are multiple 1 vote wagons as well. If gamma is scum, I feel there would be more pressure on one of these other wagons to provide gamma a way out of being lynched.
I think hesitation due to this reason is fair. But we lynched scum yesterday-- their numbers are down and their voices are quieter

so say it's Gamma + one partner. I can very well see that one partner opting not to start a counterwagon or otherwise not being able to, especially depending on who it is. And Gamma doesn't exactly seem invested enough to start one, either.

@Wake
, would you possibly elaborate on how Holden's evaluation of you is unfair?
I guess that's fair too.

I dont think gammas partner would out right voiced countermeasure directly if they are busing here. Yet, I would expect them to be sowing the seeds for lynches day 3 and 4 since they have to win by themselves. I tried analyzing everybody on the wagon currently to see if anything read as blatant (I'm lynching gamma but I realllllly want to lynch X) and didnt find anything. I might take another stab in the morning when my brain is working better.

I feel if we are later in the day phase it would be more of a stronger arguement.
This is telling me Holden is doing real detective work here

Could still be scum but definitely leans town for now
In post 1044, Wake1 wrote:Currently I'm under the assumption that there are two Scum left, so it's up to me to separate the Scum from the mistaken... again.

The more any of you tell me not to speculation from my lucky watch action the more I am going to push poke and prod at it. Scum has every reason to fight me from uncovering the truth, and if you're Town you had better get out of my way. I wanted data, and I got it. We have viable, confirmed data and I will break apart anyone who tries to shut me down from working with it. I'm trying to use deductive reasoning to help the walls close in on Scum. I've got a loose thread and I'm intent on pulling at it.

I watched Hectic Night 1. Morning Tweet and davesaz targeted him with actions. Neither of them performed a kill Night 1.

Chemist was Scum, lynched Day 1.
Hectic: Could be either Town or Scum.
Morning Tweet & davesaz: Could be either Town or Scum.

- All 3 could be Town.
- All 3 cannot be Scum.
- 2 out of 3 cannot be Scum.
- Only one of those 3 could be Scum, because iirc Multitasking is not Normal.
- Only one of Hectic/dave/MT could be Scum because one Scum had to perform a Night Kill, and another (if possible) could have used a power role. It's unlikely (imho) for all three Scum to be PRs, so if there's a Vanilla Goon that one would have performed the NK.

- Either Hectic is Town and was targeted by 3 separate Town PRs...
- ...or Hectic is Town and 1 of those 3 PRs that targeted him are Scum.

- Another possibility is that Hectic is Scum: Hectic could have carried out the kill.
- It's unlikely, if Hectic were Town, that his Scum-mate would also target him.
- If Hectic is Scum, it's more likely he was targeted by 3 separate Town PRs. Scum protective roles are not that common in Singleball, correct? Usually they're more common in Multiball.

- If Hectic flips Town we must interrogate one of dave or MT. And if one of those two also die and flip Town, then the other must be destroyed, because then that remaining player is most likely Scum.



Bob I feel is rather inscrutable. I can't tell which alignment he is currently.

I object to voting lynching Gamma Day 2. I was the first to vote tictac. Gamma joined me after that. Gamma stayed on the tictac/Chemist wagon all the way to the end. Unless Gamma is Scum and was doing a hard-bus of his teammate, I don't think Gamma is Scum. WHY are people voting him?


Out of curiosity, I see tictac/chemist was voting for aloratom all of Day 1, with davesaz eventually joining, and then AaronFrost, and then much later I. I'm beginning to suspect that aloratom may be Town, and that davesaz (and potentially AaronFrost) is Scum.


I think, perhaps, davesaz would be a better option currently.

VOTE: davesaz
I also tuned out around Page 12 so leshrug
Like Morning Tweet is right that I was in a bad place to unvote if I was Chemist’s buddy


pedit to gamma: fair enough
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Post Post #1170 (ISO) » Wed Apr 29, 2020 2:34 pm

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In post 1167, davesaz wrote:Nobody has had any trouble understanding it.
Understanding Gamma's post or your response?

If the latter, then yes, I very much have trouble understanding your resort to intimidation there, so feel free to use your mental powers to explain yourself. You have no clue who I am going to vote for, but fear it is you. So instead of responding to my case and letting it stand, you directly attempt to demoralize me by threatening a P-lynch on me if I keep going.

So if I want to lynch wake should I be plynched because he is claimed watcher? Should I plynch you for wanting to lynch claimed watcher?
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Post Post #1171 (ISO) » Wed Apr 29, 2020 2:36 pm

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Before I forget

Adorable, you are basing a lot of your logic on wagon dynamics. This is fine. However,
In post 907, Adorable wrote:
In post 868, Hectic wrote:Fair point, Adorable. Do you have any suspicions on players at the moment? How do you feel about joining Morning and I on pressuring Gamma?

[HoldenGolden, Gamma Emerald, profii, Adorable, davesaz, Morning, bob3141]

Primes.
Gamma's iso is lacking content and some of his posts looked like he was agreeing with players.
I've got a poe on Gamma, Holden, Aaron, Morning, bob, profii, dave.
You and Aaron talked about a scum Aloratom but seeing that he was the counter wagon I will give him another chance since I don't often see scum being a counter wagon to a scum buddy. I'll join you on pressuring Gamma.

VOTE: Gamma
This PoE is large. You crossed profii off of it, what is your reads on the rest of the players not named Gamma? What does "He is agreeing with players" mean in the gamma read?
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Post Post #1172 (ISO) » Wed Apr 29, 2020 2:43 pm

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Seems like a desperate act of self-defense to me, Dave.
"It's wise to be... cautious... with Wake."
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"What Wake lacks in charisma, he makes up for it in pure analytic power."
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Post Post #1173 (ISO) » Wed Apr 29, 2020 2:43 pm

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Is anyone town reading Adorable out of curiosity? If so can you explain it?

I don't find them terribly scummy, but neither do I see them as townie. Would like to try and get them out of the null zone.
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Post Post #1174 (ISO) » Wed Apr 29, 2020 2:46 pm

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oh god its hectics ISO.

studying for calculus III seems very appealing right now.
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