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[Wake1]

I'm Dave is probably Scum despite his claim because he was also on the Aloratom wagon all the way to lynch. Knowing that tictac/Chemist was Scum, would he really have tried to hard-bus Scum-Aloratom all of Day 1? Would that sacrifice be worth it?

Aaronfrost and Dave were on that wagon, too.

Aaronfrost flaking out makes me think he could be Scum as well, just like with tictac. Perhaps he felt the walls closing in. I'm feeling rather confident that davesaz is the one today.

[HoldenGolden]

I'm Dave is probably Scum despite his claim because he was also on the Aloratom wagon all the way to lynch. Knowing that tictac/Chemist was Scum, would he really have tried to hard-bus Scum-Aloratom all of Day 1? Would that sacrifice be worth it?

Aaronfrost and Dave were on that wagon, too.

Aaronfrost flaking out makes me think he could be Scum as well, just like with tictac. Perhaps he felt the walls closing in. I'm feeling rather confident that davesaz is the one today.

Is the first paragraph assuming a chem/alo/dave team pair? I feel that it is, but wanted to make sure.

As for Aaron, while you may be right, as someone else going through finals right now, it very well could be he is exhausted after his finals and didn't want to play (since the 29th was his last VLA day which I assume is also his last final).

[Wake1]

I, for one, would like to hear more from tictac.

I would hate to think he's holding back.

I'd like to hear more from you about players other than Aloratom and tictac. The early TR is slipping a lot.

This also makes me think you're not Town this game.

[Wake1]

Tictac is all fine and dandy-- but what do you guys think about profii?

hia Holden

I don't like this post either.

[Morning Tweet]

Spoiler: Holden's Gamma post

Starting my catch up with Gamma considering we have a lynch relatively soon and they are leading it.

Gamma overall feels very underwelling, but it seems various RL things have impacted their ability to play as well as self-admitted apathy. Yet, I think there are some key points that do push gamma more as town than scum. One of those is the posts made after them pushing Chemist to L1

Spoiler: posts

The PR claim doesn't really change anything for me. Sorry :c

Btw, I still scumread Gamma: Any particular reason you're struggling to get into this game, Gamma? Why the Misty vote, and do you have any other reads to share?

Misty, is it bad that I just realised your shirt pocket is actually a thumbs up?

I’m more just not trying at all rn, not bored enough yet but I think I might be able to convert some pent up energy into fuel to propel me through this game
The vote is because I think the wagon is less bad rn
I don’t get why A-Tom is being voted

Why are people voting A-Tom?

I realized something about the tictac wagon-- I think regardless of tictac's alignment, there's probably scum on it. Okay maybe that's not a super hard deduction to make but bear with me here

I agree with this

VOTE: aaron actually
I'm less certain Chemist is scum here and Aaron is not making me feel good about this wagon

Cake your here. Why does chemist feel less scummy to you?

He seems just lost and confused. Also that would be a weird choice of fakeclaim imo.
I feel scum would be freaking out more

The claim may not necessarily be fake, he could just be a scum 1-shot jailkeeper. I think I want to leave that claim alone for today though.

Also I disagree with that last sentence, I think more often than not scum try to maintain their composure when under pressure.

My take is a 1-Shot PR is a good option for a safe scum fakeclaim. I have tried it myself, though I fucked up the execution with too many bells and whistles. I don’t see anything indicating Chemist is fakeclaiming but I don’t think his claim is in itself a point for his survival.

While we do not know alo's alignment, we do know chemist's. I find the stance gamma takes here quite interesting due to how much it would force the scum team to lock in a bus. I don't think it is a stretch to say that scum was planning to bus around then, but Gamma's posts fully locks down any potential of him helping his partner chem. Gamma's criticism of the jk claim hardly helps scum since the claim was one of the relatively few things keeping chemist afloat. I don't think scum ever expects chem to make it pass day 2, but getting an mislynching in fixes the cost of scum losing a member.

While it is possible scum!gamma stayed on the chemist wagon while the other member left themselves open to an Alo wagon (assuming Alo is town), I find it equally puzzling of why gamma was picked to have the more advantageous spot post flip considering how lackluster they were in everyone's eyes. If anything, I would expect scum!gamma to be the one to leave the door open to try and get more value out of their partner dying.

Gamma, Aloratom, if neither of you want to be lynched Day 2 I would ask that you please join me in lynching davesaz if you aren't already.

Any logic besides the idea he (and AaronFFrost) we’re voting A-Tom as a counterwagon? I don’t find that idea particularly conclusive.

Although slightly weaker due to Gamma flipping on this after an ISO dive (vote on aaron), I think the rebutted against Wake's forced survival statement/threat by not caving in is also pointing to a town gamma. Furthermore, the fact Gamma picked AaronFFrost and not Dave to park his vote on also reinforces this as AFF was not in Wake's direct focus of lynching into the PR pool. I think if scum!gamma was trying to come onto a wagon to attempt to survive this phase, it aligns himself with the person he knows will help carry it by pleasing Wake (since Wake's play-style is aggressive and opinionated enough to not cave in if he feels he is right).

There is also the point that I brought up about how the wagons have progressed and not much has changed really about it. Hectic defined it as stagnation which I agree with. However, the wagon of gamma is stagnating with only mild resistance unlike when it stalled day 1 when both chem and alo were tired and it was a slog to push over that bump. I didn't see anybody's reads who is on the wagon as them sowing the seeds for another lynch day 3, but if Wake is town and this push to get the PR pool lynched is town driven, then why does scum necessary need to do any doubt planting? The answer is they dont. I do think the logic is edging onto WIFOM territory since we have to make assumptions about Wake, but it does show a world where it makes sense for the stagnation to occur and gamma is town.

TLDR: I see Gamma as town despite the low amount of posts. Their play does not align with what I think gamma's scum motivation would of been both during day 1 and now. Rather, they feel as disinterested town. I do not like a lynch there today. Not only does it not provide much info in all honesty, but I doubt the slot is scum.

Your analysis that Gamma pretty much locked himself into bussing is right. However, the wagon was feeling like it was so heavily favoured that it wouldn't make sense for scum to try and defend it. I think at that point in time on the wagon, it made a lot of sense for scum to bus that. And if its Gamma!scum, unable to go too deeply into a read or post on the thread, that's probably what he'd do

You mention that Gamma being the one to bus for "extra towncred" doesn't seem right, since he already isn't having a very favourable game. I can see this, but at the same time, it could easily be the other way around. Like they'd put the more favourable slot in the disadvantageous defending Chem and/or voting Alo position, and have Gamma try to secure extra towncred.

the wagon stagnating thing i already talked abt

Those are the main points i picked out. i feel like they're coming from a town mindset, but i don't think they clear gamma either. If i have to switch wagons today, i'd want to be aaron/bob.

[Morning Tweet]

do you still think my claim is necessary wake?

[Wake1]

Bob, could you reiterate what exactly your position on tictac/chemist was Day 1?

[Wake1]

do you still think my claim is necessary wake?

I absolutely do.

[Wake1]

Okay, I have another important question, Misty. Is that the moon in the background behind you, or your hat? Also, if it is a hat; can I have it if we lynch you? I know it's kind of awkward considering the circumstances, but I'd really appreciate it.

It's a hat

And you can have it if you give it back after the game

Thanks!!! I won't let you down.

Hm.

...not sure if this is code.

Iirc Scum don't have Daytalk.

It's probably nothing, but did stand out slightly on re-read.

[Wake1]

VOTE: Chemist1422 I don't have much time nowadays but hopefully this will flip scum and clear me!

how does chemist flipping scum clear you?

This... is a good question.

Makes me Townread Aaron's slot.

[Wake1]

VOTE: Dave


Time for more serous vote than mine on hectic.


Hectic if your not scum, so far every game together has been town town

You are going to need to put much more behind this rather than the vote alone. May I here why is dave scum formally?

I dont like alort lynch. and tic/chem have had little input.

Its not strong read but gut feeling on dave

Bob, how do you currently read Dave?

[Wake1]

Again you out right shade chemist by sayign he voted alort. When he never did.

The slot (tictac and chemist) are the same alignment. It doesn't change when it gets replaced.

Good point.

I'm assuming Bob would know they're the same?

If not it could have just been mistake.

This small discrepancy does little to parse alignment.

[Wake1]

I said earlier I didn't have a read on Alora because I didn't know what was playstyle I think

At this point I'll keep it for self-pres though

VOTE: Chemist

*sigh*

(How to read this?)

[Hectic]

I haven't properly read through the last few pages but wanted to point out:

Dave has a lot more value as potential doc since he has a pool of 2 outed PRs to protect in [Waka and Morning]. I think it's better to leave him around for mech reasons.

[Hectic]

oh god its hectics ISO.

studying for calculus III seems very appealing right now.

How dare you. My ISO is a goldmine and you'd find the gamesolve in there if you looked closely enough.

[Wake1]

If we decide not to lynch Dave, then he must protect me tonight.

Then, what? I watch Dave?

[davesaz]

Nobody has had any trouble understanding it.

Understanding Gamma's post or your response?

If the latter, then yes, I very much have trouble understanding your resort to intimidation there, so feel free to use your mental powers to explain yourself. You have no clue who I am going to vote for, but fear it is you. So instead of responding to my case and letting it stand, you directly attempt to demoralize me by threatening a P-lynch on me if I keep going.

So if I want to lynch wake should I be plynched because he is claimed watcher? Should I plynch you for wanting to lynch claimed watcher?

Gamma implied I didn't claim.
I don't think anyone had trouble understanding the claim.

Nobody lynches a protective. Ever.
Not intimidation. Simple common sense.
I have a very hard time understanding most of the people in this game. It's like they're not even speaking English or something.

[davesaz]

I would post my role PM but I want to be a listmod someday.
Fuck you.

[davesaz]

Actually, I think wake is just scum here.

[Wake1]

I doubt the typically cool-headed davesaz would resort to getting heated.

[Hectic]

You're both town.

[Wake1]

You're both town.

How would you know?

I don't know if he's Town.

[HoldenGolden]

Nobody has had any trouble understanding it.

Understanding Gamma's post or your response?

If the latter, then yes, I very much have trouble understanding your resort to intimidation there, so feel free to use your mental powers to explain yourself. You have no clue who I am going to vote for, but fear it is you. So instead of responding to my case and letting it stand, you directly attempt to demoralize me by threatening a P-lynch on me if I keep going.

So if I want to lynch wake should I be plynched because he is claimed watcher? Should I plynch you for wanting to lynch claimed watcher?

Gamma implied I didn't claim.
I don't think anyone had trouble understanding the claim.

Nobody lynches a protective. Ever.
Not intimidation. Simple common sense.
I have a very hard time understanding most of the people in this game. It's like they're not even speaking English or something.

I would post my role PM but I want to be a listmod someday.
Fuck you.

Expect that I didn't voice that I wanted to vote you in that post, making your gut reaction to threaten to lynch someone scum leaning you sound like intimidation. Had you just responded with your defense, it would of been fine.

Understand from my pov (and others) you aren't confirmed towndoctor for a moment. Unlike wake who we know is a confirmed watcher (but not confirmed town watcher) since both you and MT confirmed the visits. Its possible you are something like a rolecop who claimed doctor to draw out any protective roles to gauge a nk on wake.

Do I think this is the case? Not necessarily, but it warrants factoring into my read when eventuating your claim.

Im not interested into getting into a shitshow to clog the game like I said. I do think I am quite fuckable, but I rather not test that theory and preserve the little amounts of anal virginity I have left.

[HoldenGolden]

I haven't properly read through the last few pages but wanted to point out:

Dave has a lot more value as potential doc since he has a pool of 2 outed PRs to protect in [Waka and Morning]. I think it's better to leave him around for mech reasons.

again, who says I wanted to lynch him?

That's my current problem. He responds to my read, yet gives me this ultimatum that if dare to keep pushing him i'll get lynched.

Let's work pass that then, why do you think dave's reaction is townie? Or is the town read on something else?

[HoldenGolden]

oh god its hectics ISO.

studying for calculus III seems very appealing right now.

How dare you. My ISO is a goldmine and you'd find the gamesolve in there if you looked closely enough.

I kid you not I honestly decided I rather calculate the work done in force fields and played sc2.