Guns & Roses IV [Game Over]

[DonCorleone]

I like being called Don tho, maybe I should make this my new main account

[Firebringer]

I don’t think ABR is showing an informed perspective, I just don’t think he’s trying to solve the game

so not solving = scum; u realize not every town player is gonna put forward the solve effort day 1, right?

I mean yeah, not solving = scum a decent amount of the time. Probably more of the time than lynching in people who at least look like they’re trying to solve?

ummm not from my experience?

I guess we have to define how much we are talking about with decent amount of time because on a long enough time scale that might as well be random shooting players.

[farside22]

@don: Why are you town reading maria

[DonCorleone]

@don: Why are you town reading maria

Yes, yes, give me a second to pull posts

[DonCorleone]

I don’t think ABR is showing an informed perspective, I just don’t think he’s trying to solve the game

so not solving = scum; u realize not every town player is gonna put forward the solve effort day 1, right?

I mean yeah, not solving = scum a decent amount of the time. Probably more of the time than lynching in people who at least look like they’re trying to solve?

ummm not from my experience?

I guess we have to define how much we are talking about with decent amount of time because on a long enough time scale that might as well be random shooting players.

Of the time*

I think I’ve had more success lynching scum through lynching people who didn’t look like they wanted to solve the game and who didn’t towntell than through trying to sort through which side of an argument is scum if either is, especially given the tendency for a hard TvT fight to end up setting the “winner” as the lylo lynch

[Iconeum]

can we lynch maria and then Don?

[Iconeum]

[Iconeum]

everyone together now

[Firebringer]

can we lynch maria and then Don?

I thought u just called Don town?

[DonCorleone]

VoteCount 1.6

eyestott [4] - Knightmare491, SirCakez, Firebringer, Albert B. Rampage
Knightmare491 [2] - eyestott, DonCorleone
votato [4] - lilith2013, farside22, Iconeum, chkflip
Iconeum [1] - votato
farside22 [1] - Vecna
Firebringer [1] - MariaR

Not Voting [1]

- Something_Smart

With 14 alive it takes 8 votes to be chosen.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2020-05-02 23:35:31)

Votato has been a wagon almost all game, and I think they've made some pretty genuine posting. It also has 2 people I'm fine with voting at the moment. Shockingly, they're mostly townread (Lilth and farside) so this'll at least get someone to start talking. As for Eye, I need to go iso them because I'm pretty sure I skipped the point of the game where they posted at all.

*be mariaR
*rep into a game where your slot is under mild suspicion at best
*decide to instigate a fight with two relatively consensus townreads
*????
*PROFIT

I actually really like eyesctott they're coming back from a break or something if I read that correctly and the tone of there posts is really light and relaxed. Like they're just kinda here ya know? I don't see any agenda in their posting. So that raises the question is scum sitting back and just letting these wagons go?

Maybe. Might I suggest a Vecna Farside or Lilth wagon in the meantime? Lets put some life into this game!

I agree with her take on the gamestate even if I more or less disagree with her reads. I think Lilith is pretty hard town now, Vecna could be scum and you’re(farside) still more on the side of town than on the side of scum when I balance it

Lilith I feel is forcing her emotions. When I look at her iso I see so many tone shifts. That in and of itself isn't scummy. But when it looks like a pattern that's when it becomes a problem. Whenever she was pushing a scumread it got aggro and whenever it was not it went to friendly/causal. Combine that with the biggest iso in the game and I don't really see strong reasons to townread her. (I could look into her votes but I was being lazy) I think she's a fine vote because she's building up her own advantage. I could quote posts but I don't think this is really shocking info.

Farside, on the other hand, is a really popular townread and I find that super interesting! I can't really get to point A to point B with her. Like I think she has her expectations super high with certain things and not with others. The Cakez read that I brought up for example before. Also check her 2 reads lists in 411 and /781 I didn't see it at first, but really I think she's just trying to shift her gameplay to fit the currant situation. Whatever that may be. I don't see towny solving or good follow up to her scumhunting.

I think this is a really weird decision for scum to push on these two simultaneously as opposed to going for any of the like half of the slots in the game. I don’t think her Lilith take is good overall because I think Lilith has been genuinely trying to solve in ISO but I remember not thinking Lilith was that towny early and disliking her S_S push, so I can jive with Maria thinking this here

THE DOUBLE SCUM TAG TEAM OH BABY I LOVE THIS. Live interaction is my stick lets go, sweeties,

Maria being aggressive and not appeasing

Please let me know what question if yours I'm not directly answering so you can stop using buzzwords. That'd be lovely

Maria being sarky and not appeasing

See I've never dodged a question in my life. If there's ever a question I don't wanna answer I'll tell you. So if you think I dodged a question point it out to me. Saying people dodge questions and thinking no one is gonna bring it up is stupid that's like mafia 101. Just because you're not satisfied with the answer you're given does not mean someone is dodging.

Maria being aggressive again. Like I said, I think Maria being ~*sweet*~ is probably a reasonably strong indicator that she’s scum and I wouldn’t describe her play as ~*sweet*~ here

[DonCorleone]

can we lynch maria and then Don?

I thought u just called Don town?

Yes but then I disagreed with his read so now I must be scum

[Firebringer]

Maria being sarky and not appeasing

I see u now have met MariaR

[DonCorleone]

Let me get a game up, hang on

[Firebringer]

is Lilith massively townread in this game? Ive been meh on her in the beginning and she has just felt try hard in this game like she wants to prove something.

[Firebringer]

I could see Lilith as scum easily. Just not like idk. I think she would be a bit more awkward try hard if she was. So I am nullish on her.

[DonCorleone]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

Look how measured and reasonable Maria is in this game

Now compare and contrast with her this game and where she’s pushed

[DonCorleone]

I think Lilith is pretty broadly TR yeah? And I think she’s solving

What is your criteria for finding scum anyway firebringer?

[Firebringer]

I think Lilith is pretty broadly TR yeah? And I think she’s solving

What is your criteria for finding scum anyway firebringer?

my criteria is to look for clues in which people are acting in a way I don't think is within normal behavioral guidelines and then figure out if its that is a situational aspect or if its motivated by alignment.

I figure out baseline player behavior then I sort who is falling out of that more often and try to pinpoint after.

[Firebringer]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

Look how measured and reasonable Maria is in this game

Now compare and contrast with her this game and where she’s pushed

I don't know if I agree with this analysis.

[DonCorleone]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

MariaR being fundamentally quite nice and reasonable, lazily tunnelling her “scumreads” without really bothering to explain them, she flipped scum

[DonCorleone]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

MariaR being aggressive/abrasive, pushing her SRs from early on and explaining them as she goes

She flipped town

[Firebringer]

I think u have a decent understanding of how mariar might operate scum/town; I just don't think its been applied her correctly.

ill just say town her isn't afraid of saying anything because she doesn't mind of she gets shouted down for her opinions.
scum her isn't afraid as well but can smooth it over by appearing more reasonable measured and less aggressive which gets her scumread less.

I don't find her that aggressive here.

So I don't know if I agree with ur analysis.

[Firebringer]

THE DOUBLE SCUM TAG TEAM OH BABY I LOVE THIS. Live interaction is my stick lets go, sweeties,

like this post isn't that aggressive.

[DonCorleone]

I think Lilith is pretty broadly TR yeah? And I think she’s solving

What is your criteria for finding scum anyway firebringer?

my criteria is to look for clues in which people are acting in a way I don't think is within normal behavioral guidelines and then figure out if its that is a situational aspect or if its motivated by alignment.

I figure out baseline player behavior then I sort who is falling out of that more often and try to pinpoint after.

I don’t really understand but okay. Do you mean like SOMEONE POSTING IN ALL CAPS ABOUT HOW XYZ ARE TERRIBLE PLAYERS FOR SCUMREADING THEM BC THEYRE SO FUCKING OBVTOWN ?

And then deciding if that’s faked AtE or genuine upsetness?

[DonCorleone]

THE DOUBLE SCUM TAG TEAM OH BABY I LOVE THIS. Live interaction is my stick lets go, sweeties,

like this post isn't that aggressive.

It’s not high key aggro but it’s setting up for a fight