Mini Normal 2135 (Endgame)

[Persivul]

102 - This is a good observation and shows he's already reading for content early in the game
108 - 109 - Read like a natural town reaction to the CC. I doubt scum jumps on it this firmly and this quickly.
116 - In no rush to lynch. Yes, giving town points for this goes against my own attitude. I don't really care.
I like his general attitude in posts like 187, 195, 222.

Is that enough?

[UnaBombaH]

That means scum is you, George, and 1 of Panda/Luca.

The best thing about Persivul here is that our reads are rather similar.
At least the big picture.

Can I hammer Panda now, or we still flipflopping elsewhere?

[Tanner]

Thanks, Persi. That's a read I gotta revisit sometime soon, glad to have your perspective.

I'm a tad annoyed that we have two slots not doing jack again, but I guess that's the game. I'm fine with hammer, fine with waiting.

[Tanner]

Actually wait I'm dumb lmao, should we not get a claim first?

[Persivul]

I was just doing meta on Prana and I think he's the more dangerous if scum. He generally seems to win. But I still think Panda flip gives more information.

p-edit: above is to Una
p-edit: yes, Una should give intent and we should wait awhile, although Panda seems to have given up.

[Knightmare491]

I don't mind doing it either.

[Persivul]

OK, Panda do you want to claim?

[Knightmare491]

intent to hammer

Co incidentally I don't remember the last time I hammered someone. :thinks:

[UnaBombaH]

19 hours.
Gonna need some quick moves from Panda if they have anything to say.

Final reads etc.
If they claim a PR this late they can just blame themselves for that IMO.
We do not want to risk a no lynch.

[PranaDevil]

19 hours.
Gonna need some quick moves from Panda if they have anything to say.

Final reads etc.
If they claim a PR this late they can just blame themselves for that IMO.
We do not want to risk a no lynch.

Agreed. Myself, you and Knightmare have all said we'll hammer if need be. I get up, at the latest, in 14 hours from now. So I can confirm that I can hammer then if it's needed.

Panda, a claim would be useful right now.

[UnaBombaH]

Panda, a claim would be useful right now.

No, claim is basically too late now.
Reads, all potential confirmed info, anything like that is what we need now.
Although I guess reads are going to be "scum in UnaB/Tanner".

[Red Panda]

Eh doesn't matter. I've been busy with some RL stuff thats stressed me out and kept me out of games.
I'm dead either way but I'm an asectic encryptor.
This is why I said mafia have day talk lol. Also I'm a glorified VT so take that what you will.

[popopopopopopo]

i dont believe that shit for a second

[Red Panda]

Lololol

[Knightmare491]

Yet another neg utility? hell no

[Knightmare491]

I'll hammer unless anyone else wants to say anything?

[Red Panda]

Yeah why would I lie about something so out there?

[Knightmare491]

Cause you are lynched either way, as a last ditch attempt to survive maybe.

[Knightmare491]

VOTE: Red Panda

Look at GB tomorrow and PD

[Not Known 15]

Vote Count 2.4

Riabi (0)

GeorgeBailey (0)

mavsfan41 (0)

popopopopopopo

Luca Blight

(0)

UnaBombaH (0)

PranaDevil (0)

Knightmare491 (2)GeorgeBailey;PranaDevil;

Persivul (0)

Red Panda

Saladman27

(6)Tanner;Persivul;popopopopopopo;

Eve

;mavsfan41;Knightmare491;

Eve

Wake88

(0)

Tanner (1)Red Panda;

NoLynch(0)

Not Voting(2):Riabi;UnaBombaH;

With 11 alive it is 6 to lynch

Day 2 ends.

[/color]

Red Panda

has been lynched Day 2. They were:

Spoiler:

Town Ascetic Encryptor

You are a Town Ascetic Encryptor.

Actions that target you, other than kills, will fail as if roleblocked.

You, and anyone else present, may talk in Private Topics containing you even during the Day.

You have no active abilities.

You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

Confirm by replying to this PM with a summary of your role.

Night 2 begins and ends in (expired on 2020-05-04 02:02:00)

[Not Known 15]

Eve

has been killed Night 2. They were:

Spoiler:

Town Innocent Child

You are a Town Innocent Child.

You will be confirmed as town at the start of the game.

You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

Confirm by replying to this PM with a summary of your role.

Vote Count 3.0

Riabi (0)

GeorgeBailey (0)

mavsfan41 (0)

popopopopopopo

Luca Blight

(0)

UnaBombaH (0)

PranaDevil (0)

Knightmare491 (0)

Persivul (0)

Tanner (0)

NoLynch(0)

Not Voting(9):Riabi;UnaBombaH;Tanner;Persivul;popopopopopopo;mavsfan41;Knightmare491;GeorgeBailey;PranaDevil;

With 9 alive it is 5 to lynch.
Day 3 begins and ends in (expired on 2020-05-11 11:14:00) or when a lynch has been achieved.

[Not Known 15]

Riabi has been re-prodded.

[PranaDevil]

Right... so...

Panda was an encryptor, I have no clue what that means, does that mean we have a neighborizer on our hands, or another role that allows people to speak? Because without something to let Panda talk to someone, the role was utterly pointless...

It also does not strike me inherently as an anti-town role. It wasn't there so the scum could talk, as Panda had to be in whatever chat it was.

This should also make everyone realise the rolecop is not required to be town. Anyone believing it just "because we have two millers" needs to step back and take a rethink.

Knightmare and Persivul are both still super scummy, and I want a Persivul lynch ideally, but am also willing to hold off for a cop to check him if we have one, and to see if he dies at night if we don't.

VOTE: Knightmare491

[Persivul]

VOTE: Prana

Town encryptor, but not neighbor or neighborizer, is really weird.

Full disclosure: I was 1X. I withheld that yesterday to see if scum would target me N2. Prana's setup attempt largely negated that. Still, scum probably don't have something obvious like strongman.

[UnaBombaH]

Panda was an encryptor, I have no clue what that means, does that mean we have a neighborizer on our hands, or another role that allows people to speak? Because without something to let Panda talk to someone, the role was utterly pointless...

Not necessarily true..?
Also, can't you see the potential "theme" taking shape in the game?
Immediately when I saw that Panda-flip I got a vibe like "townies you'd sort of want dead, but are still town"..
Miller, and potentially even double-Miller, and now an encryptor to potentially provide a false-guilty to the rolecop.

A notable quote from the Normal Game guidelines:

In Normal Games on mafiascum.net, Mafia do not need an Encryptor to have daytalk, but if they have it without an Encryptor it needs to be announced beforehand.

Meaning that there's either a second Encryptor for scum separately, or they do not have daytalk.

It also does not strike me inherently as an anti-town role. It wasn't there so the scum could talk, as Panda had to be in whatever chat it was.

Like said, a "false guilty" for the assumed Rolecop. That flip makes me think that we really NEED to have a real cop somewhere too, or we are hopelessly outmatched by all this WIFOM-negative utility..

This should also make everyone realise the rolecop is not required to be town. Anyone believing it just "because we have two millers" needs to step back and take a rethink.

Interestingly I have it totally backwards.
I was absolutely paranoid and leaning towards it being a scum-gambit yesterday, but now believe it to be more likely true with that flip.
Or can you give a meaning for Pandas role outside of providing a "false guilty"?