Mini 2134 Gin's Joint Pick4U - GAME OVER

[Bingle]

If you have enough money, PM Ginngie.

Bingle, why did you announce that? People are going to make a run on the BP and doctor abilities in the shop.
Also I don’t think I should die because I’m pretty sure my earlier PoE is correct unless LLD or you is scum.

Neither doctor or bp will stop it for reasons partially claimed in the neighborhood, so I’m completely fine with scum wasting money on protectives.

[Bingle]

He was removed from the VC tho so why do you think he turned Survivor PB?

He was? There’s still 10 alive, I’m just planning to kill him with the vig shot I bought as soon as the day started.

[Bingle]

My town pool is {Bingle, Dunnstral, Reckoner, Lady Lambdadelta, Bulbazak, me}. I think Taly is probably town based off scumhunting, but I am not familiar enough with Taly to put him in the town core. If I can use the investigation to further narrow down my PoE I think we have a very real possibility of doing significant damage to the scumteam.

This is gobbles supposed PoE post, afaict.

Bingle, Dunnstral, and bulbazak are all dead or unsavable. Reckoner provably fake claimed.

So the PoE we should keep him around for is... a townread on LLD.

[gobbledygook]

My town pool is {Bingle, Dunnstral, Reckoner, Lady Lambdadelta, Bulbazak, me}. I think Taly is probably town based off scumhunting, but I am not familiar enough with Taly to put him in the town core. If I can use the investigation to further narrow down my PoE I think we have a very real possibility of doing significant damage to the scumteam.

This is gobbles supposed PoE post, afaict.

Bingle, Dunnstral, and bulbazak are all dead or unsavable. Reckoner provably fake claimed.

So the PoE we should keep him around for is... a townread on LLD.

Who do you want to lynch today?

[gobbledygook]

Bingle, you should want to save me because unless Reck and LLD are both scum my POE has been pretty damn good. I think Taly is town. I thought MariaR was town and so far the rest of my POE is probably true.

That would mean I would want to bus BOTH of my scum buddies or at least make it so people would be more likely to target them almost immediately after I entered the game. Is that something scum do? Also, we could have dealt with Reck lying yesterday but noooo so many people wanted to fight that.

[Bingle]

I want to double lynch today. I’m thinking money claiming might be worth it, since me and all of my victims should be taking our remaining funds to the grave. We’re fast approaching the endgame though. I have an rpg session tonight, but I’ll probably put together a read map after it’s over.

I of course don’t think any of the people who are walking corpses make good lynches, but am not interested in sharing identities at this time, other than my own, of course, so I can see what agendas look like when scum has no idea who they should be protecting or pushing. I suppose lynching me would drop the kpn by getting rid of the vig shot, but the other two are already poisoned.

[Bingle]

I currently have $1, btw.

[Bingle]

Worth noting: LLD is not conftown and has significant scum equity right now. Reck is not town. Presumably scum shot both of Dunn and bulb using the vig that was available yesterday.

[gobbledygook]

Worth noting: LLD is not conftown and has significant scum equity right now. Reck is not town. Presumably scum shot both of Dunn and bulb using the vig that was available yesterday.

What do you mean significant scum equity for LLD? I get she isn’t town, but I don’t think what she did yesterday was scummy.

I think the Dunn and Bulba deaths point principally to Ari and a little bit to Pine.

If you poisoned me you’re a woat

[Titus]

Worth noting: LLD is not conftown and has significant scum equity right now. Reck is not town. Presumably scum shot both of Dunn and bulb using the vig that was available yesterday.

Personality differences suggest LLD is town here. LLD tends not to be as aggressive early game as scum. I wouldn't lock town her but I am ok sleeping her until I get a better foothold.

[Titus]

I get she isn’t town, but I don’t think what she did yesterday was scummy.

Huh?

[Bingle]

LLD never flips before Reck, she’s just not paranoia free. Not masturbating yesterday after realizing reck was fakeclaiming was objectively the right move with a Maria lynch on the table, because if reck flips scum Maria lynch is suddenly off the table again. Thus, high scum equity. As far as reading her activity, she’s solidly null for me. I’m interested in whether the pine vote is a guilty or a judgement, and also in pines reactions to everything. Pine not showing up to defend himself is fascinating and probably needs to happen before lld clarifies though.

Gobbles, if you’re not being townread maybe be more town. Arguing that you correctly townread the same people as I did after I townread them and all of the mechanical clears doesn’t make you look town, it makes you look survivalist. I’m not going to say whether or not I poisoned you because a theoretical town you doesn’t need to know right now. Drop it.

[Bingle]

I can attempt to make that first paragraph more readable later, but the tldr is that scum lld should always lynch town Maria before showing reck is fakeclaiming.

[Bingle]

Also, to a lesser extent, waiting until Maria jumped the gun was something that benefited a reck/lld team, but that’s too tinfoily to really be worth much.

[Bingle]

I think the Dunn and Bulba deaths point principally to Ari and a little bit to Pine.

Tell me more.

[Hoctac]

I have purchased my masonizer and am now ready to engage.

Let's end the day so I can use it. Thanks.

VOTE: Pine

[gobbledygook]

Dunn and Bulba both wanted Pine and Ari and had expressed support for their deaths.

I bought something yesterday so I have 1 dollar today.
MariaR also apparently bought something yesterday because she had no money at the time of her death. The mod explained this to me when I tried to buy the vig but didn’t have the money for it despite thinking I would.

———

Bingle, we do not have the same group. You were against LLD town reads yesterday and also are hardcore tunneling me + defending a very likely scum Pine. I think you also defended Ari yesterday too but I can’t remember.

The fact that I have, in your opinion, the same reads as you and coming in after you and developing those reads, if you were town, I would hope you realize that I am sharing the same thought process as you and that would make me more likely town. Also, if we do have the same reads and they are as accurate as you think, but that I am scum, me coming and pushing the game into a game state that ends with two of my teammates dead does not make much sense.

[Bingle]

Spoiler: My reads list post from BEFORE Gobbles replaced in

Pine - Town Pine in a similar situation:

If someone wins exclusively when the cult is dead, that role is fucking awful design so I have no intention of playing around it.

Fair enough

If someone wins exclusively when the cult is dead, that role is fucking awful design so I have no intention of playing around it.

@Pine. Sure, but if elements and I are at the top of that list you're wasting your time. Two days and we'll be gone anyways.

@gobble: in what way does any part of this game make sense with me being a dragon?

But statements like this are what make me nervous af. The wincon probably isn’t about eliminating cult, but the possible exclusivity of it makes me nervous.

If I were outed third party, the first thing I’d do is claim that I win with Town, true or no.

I do think you’re right, exclusive anti-cult wincon is farfetched. The solution is to eliminate the cult

now

, before that timer expires, and take stock after. Hell, if they’re telling the truth that might be endgame.

Eh, I'll admit I might be flailing a bit, TBH. It's probably some combination of getting so close to finally winning the game and people threatening to screw it up even though it doesn't even concern them, my habitual desire to yell at inconsistencies, and the fact that this is my last game on site for a while.

I appreciate the tip, BTW, however my incapacity to sign into my account is my own. I changed my password to a google chrome suggested password and then had google chrome forget it. I will do the same with this account when this game is done. If I ever need to log back into these accounts, I'll just use the "forgot my password" links, but I have no intention of doing that. I have every intention of this being the last game I play on site.

I'm sorry you feel this way, as I consider it more likely than not that you're telling the truth. However, we're in nearly-uncharted game design with a practical 40-player game and a functional(!) cult mechanic. Given that there are at least five* different factions and probably as many wincons (Flavor Leaf's Thode alignment but Town coloring is still not adequately explained), I wouldn't be surprised if there are more. All of the known others have an exclusive wincon, so we don't have the luxury of assuming yours is different. Sorry, that's just the way the game is played. Frankly, claiming third party is almost never a good idea because we can't trust an unknown variable to be truthful.

*Cobble!Town, Thode?Town, Runelord!scum, Ascension!cult, Serial Killer!3P, your apparent self-alignment

Whatever. I really just hate the whole "everyone come at ML once they realize they're on death row" dig. I feel like I've put a lot more into this game than a majority of users, I've been consistently pro-town and I'm proud of my play. If you lynch me I'll be pissed and then I'll move on with my life

Third party is definitionally not pro-Town, they're pro-self. Your interests merely

coincidentally

parallel our own on a lot of tangents.

This also continues to reek of an appeal to emotion, which I'm frankly not interested in indulging. You will be missed if you depart because you're an interesting player, but I'm not jeopardizing the game over it.

Who the hell cares how pro town you have been if you're not town. You play to your wincon, not ours. Sure, there are 3Ps that can win along with town, but if it's in town's best course of action, 3Ps get lynched. "But I helped you all along!! - yes, but you're not town. Period.

Basically, you invited yourself to our council and now you want us to grant you the rank of master. Not gonna happen.

Bingo, and the reference made me chuckle.

Who the hell cares how pro town you have been if you're not town. You play to your wincon, not ours. Sure, there are 3Ps that can win along with town, but if it's in town's best course of action, 3Ps get lynched. "But I helped you all along!! - yes, but you're not town. Period.

I don't know how you manage to completely miss the point so consistently.

People are arguing I should be lynched because I'm scum.
I'm pointing out how obviously not scum I am.

You're talking about something completely different.
Once again.

I don't know how you manage to so repeatedly place your hand in the oven and not realize it's the source of your burn.
Shut up.

You are

not

obviously not scum. You are obviously third party. Not being scum doesn't give you an honorary Town membership, stop pretending it does. You chose to claim third party, you ought to have considered the ramifications of that.

Scum Pine: Salty after an activity force replace in a recent game's aftermath.

Subject: Penguin Bidding/Dead PT

I don't really play D1 as any alignment. Call it a personal failing, but I can't fucking stand the "penguins shoving one another around until one falls in to see if there's a leopard seal" game. It's a trash reason to go after me or anyone, though. Further, I pulled my own ass out of the fire on D1 so successfully that it actually rebounded against Maria, as the rats leaving the sinking Pine wagon didn't know where to go. I have a long history of very strong mid- to late-game scumplay, which D1 is wildly irrelevant to.

tl;dr: Pine's treatment of the mastina claim is 100% what I expect from town him, and none of the arguments as to why he's scum strike me as AI at all. I can find lurker Pine-as-town examples, but this should be fairly common knowledge.
Alisae - I think this is town. There's no manipulation feels here, and it feels like lost Ali without motivation, not Ali who can't see a way to fight out of the lynch pool. FotM or AvP, not DB or Stellaris.
Dunnstral - Dunn's stance on the neighborhood makes sense. There's a ton of people in there acting weird so he outs it. His reason for hiding his presence sounds well reasoned. His abandonment of the lurk-and-see tactic when he saw a thing that he thought was questionable bleeds town too. He had to know that he was going to be under suspicion for it too, and didn't give any of the fucks.
Bulbazak - Bulb knows exactly how to pocket me as scum. And he hasn't made waves to do any of that. His outright acceptance of the mastina thing doesn't strike me as scum with mastina, nor as scum without mastina. This is a weak townread, but still a townread.
Taly - My weakest townread, Taly has seemed town with the recent logic posts. I like the Ali/Maria/Pine push, even if I don't think it's right. The take on the 3rd party seems natural. OTOH, apparently we're supposed to shade him until Thursday, so he's a naughty tucan with shit reads.

MariaR - The towniest null read. The part with the post restriction seems like she was actively trying to communicate, but she hasn't really done a ton since then.
Pink Ball - Gotta be honest, PB not trying to lynch me is weird right now. Don't scumread him atm though.
Lady lambdaDelta - Is barely in this game somehow. Like, I've read her posts, and I understand her position on mastina slot, but for one of the strongest personalities on site she's just kind of there right now.

Aristophanes - Ari has been greedy AF in the hood (he really wants them dollars), hasn't engaged with the mastina claim in any way I find town, has the worst pop on to the masturbation train, and generally has shown no inclination of solving.
Enter - Didn't like his interactions with Gamma. Didn't like his interactions with Taly. Didn't like his shade. Didn't like his Bulb push. Enter here just seems like he's not interested in anything that isn't his Bulb narrative and I'm getting the sense he wants to cut anything else off at the knees.
PenguinPower - Bought the spiked Kool Aid after Bulb said it made him tipsy and gave a formatted results summary. I could have sworn there was something in the thread I found objectionable too, but I can't remember what it was and RL is calling.

mastina - I don't want to deal with this today. If this is scum and there's a thing worth outing the slot as scum as a benefit, we should have a shitton of town power. If this is legitimate, any scumteam worth their salt will blow a strongman kill here to prevent multiple public cop checks. If scum doesn't have a strongman, they still have to choose between shooting town on masturbation and town off masturbation, which is another avenue of evaluation we can follow. In the worst case, we can come back to the slot in a day or two, but the odds of it being self resolving are pretty high imo.

Note: Ari, in my bottom 3. LLD (unflipped), in my to sort category. Both nightkills in my towncore. Maria, at the top of my null pile, and also someone I defended at EoD and then voted purely to avoid the deadline lynch on PB.

Yes. Your proven townreads were all townreads of mine. Trying to appeal to authority on the basis of accurately townreading the people I was accurately townreading literally before you joined the game, and me, who had already claimed to be a self resolving slot, is laughable. Trying to argue that you coming to the same conclusions I did and published before you were even here means I should trust you is dumb.

Bulba was planning on vigging you last night, but someone sniped the vig before he could.

And let's look at that list of townreads again:

Bingle

,

Dunnstral

,

Reckoner

, Lady Lambdadelta,

Bulbazak

, gobbles

Yup. You definitely townread the people getting nightkilled and the guy who said he was going to die because of his own role. I have literally the same proven town in my towncore.

Continue arguing that I'm being bad because I suspect you when my reads are at least as good as yours. Continue arguing from the presumption that all of your unproven reads are right. This line of argument has a literally 0% chance of saving you if you're already poisoned, and actively hurts your chances of not getting lynched if you're not.

[Bingle]

Let's end the day so I can use it. Thanks.

No.

[Bingle]

Hoctac
Titus
Pink Ball
Pine
Lady lambdaDelta
Aristophanes
PenguinPower
gobbledygook - $1
xRECKONERx

I'm serious about money claims, btw.

[gobbledygook]

Ok Bingle. I’ll just sheep you. Waiting for the carry, ty

UNVOTE:

When you vote someone I’ll vote them! Even if it’s me!

[Ginngie]

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