Jigsaw's Revenge - Game Over

[Battle Mage]

Also bm: i had a theory in the trap pt that scum might see what was posted in the pt. I asked the mod and he said no comment.

Maybe Jigsaw does. As Jigsaw is probably not in a PT.

I think maybe we should be hunting Jigsaw today to reduce the damage from traps - what do you think?

Who do you think is scummiest in your PT? who is getting a lot of heat? Any inconsistencies with posting in the main thread? Not sure if useful to share here or not, so leave to your judgement how much to say.

[Battle Mage]

Can we clear up a theory i have bm, please.
George is in the pt. Blake no.

Great, and presumably Hectic wasn't?

[Battle Mage]

Let me know when you can give me a few minutes bm

Now is good!

[Battle Mage]

@Farside - Gamma and Davesaz are presumably the final 2 with you?

[Morning Tweet]

Pine, Blake, and I are the only ones in my PT. rip pine

It'd be nice if someone consolidated the PT claims cause i'm getting a little mixed up-- i thought Vecna was in the momo/BM/ABR PT too for some reason. I can also consolidate them sometime later too

[Battle Mage]

Thanks MT and Farside - I'm making a list, just need to confirm Gamma and Davesaz

Then I think we should lynch someone NOT in a PT to maximise chance of hitting Jigsaw.

[Morning Tweet]

Because you think Jigsaw is a traitor? Or because you think he's not in a neighbourhood?

[GuiltyLion]

what's the full list of not-in-a-PT? I remember ABR had one early game it was like me, Vecna, Xtoxm, Molla? then didn't a50 and pisskop claim no hood as well? Honestly that seems like a fairly town list and not best odds of finding scum - I agree there's likely at least one scum there but there's no gimmes. I'd have to talk myself into voting like a50 or pisskop or Xtoxm and I have decent reasons for thinking all of them are town. Probably at this point if I had to, I'd go for a50 with the over-emphasis on Traitor spec - maybe crumbing traitor himself.

[Battle Mage]

Because you think Jigsaw is a traitor? Or because you think he's not in a neighbourhood?

The latter - don't ask me about traitors *shrug* nothing so far has persuaded me to take about that one way or another.

[Battle Mage]

what's the full list of not-in-a-PT? I remember ABR had one early game it was like me, Vecna, Xtoxm, Molla? then didn't a50 and pisskop claim no hood as well? Honestly that seems like a fairly town list and not best odds of finding scum - I agree there's likely at least one scum there but there's no gimmes. I'd have to talk myself into voting like a50 or pisskop or Xtoxm and I have decent reasons for thinking all of them are town. Probably at this point if I had to, I'd go for a50 with the over-emphasis on Traitor spec - maybe crumbing traitor himself.

Well I would guess there is 2 scum with no-PT (inc Jigsaw), and 2 scum in the 7-person PT.

It's worth taking the risk to get Jigsaw now as it might stop/slow down the traps.

I can't see A50 doing that as jigsaw. Jigsaw is a mastermind, someone clever, strategic. You were quick out of the blocks here - could YOU be Jigsaw?

[Morning Tweet]

what's the full list of not-in-a-PT? I remember ABR had one early game it was like me, Vecna, Xtoxm, Molla? then didn't a50 and pisskop claim no hood as well? Honestly that seems like a fairly town list and not best odds of finding scum - I agree there's likely at least one scum there but there's no gimmes. I'd have to talk myself into voting like a50 or pisskop or Xtoxm and I have decent reasons for thinking all of them are town. Probably at this point if I had to, I'd go for a50 with the over-emphasis on Traitor spec - maybe crumbing traitor himself.

I agree that's not a very convincing list. I have reasons to TR all of them except pisskop. But I actually didn't read very heavily into the whole "pisskop maybe lying about his PT status" thing yesterday, and was more focused on the Hectic/momo wagons.

Because you think Jigsaw is a traitor? Or because you think he's not in a neighbourhood?

The latter - don't ask me about traitors *shrug* nothing so far has persuaded me to take about that one way or another.

Yea the traitor stuff went over my head. The momo flip PM didn't show me anything that suggests traitor. Why do you think Jiggy doesn't have a neighbourhood? Apologies if you already said it though

[Battle Mage]

Intriguingly according to my list, we have 1 more person claiming to be in a PT than claimed PT numbers suggest. Farside confirmation of final places in big hood would be V helpful.

[Morning Tweet]

Are you factoring in that Pine was in two hoods?

[Battle Mage]

what's the full list of not-in-a-PT? I remember ABR had one early game it was like me, Vecna, Xtoxm, Molla? then didn't a50 and pisskop claim no hood as well? Honestly that seems like a fairly town list and not best odds of finding scum - I agree there's likely at least one scum there but there's no gimmes. I'd have to talk myself into voting like a50 or pisskop or Xtoxm and I have decent reasons for thinking all of them are town. Probably at this point if I had to, I'd go for a50 with the over-emphasis on Traitor spec - maybe crumbing traitor himself.

I agree that's not a very convincing list. I have reasons to TR all of them except pisskop. But I actually didn't read very heavily into the whole "pisskop maybe lying about his PT status" thing yesterday, and was more focused on the Hectic/momo wagons.

Because you think Jigsaw is a traitor? Or because you think he's not in a neighbourhood?

The latter - don't ask me about traitors *shrug* nothing so far has persuaded me to take about that one way or another.

Yea the traitor stuff went over my head. The momo flip PM didn't show me anything that suggests traitor. Why do you think Jiggy doesn't have a neighbourhood? Apologies if you already said it though

Feels like a fit with the flavour - Jigsaw wouldn't be in the hood, he would have his followers doing that dirty work. And also makes sense with Farside's theory of Jigsaw being able to see the trap PTs. There must be a balance here. Jigsaw just being some goon in a PT seems weak.

[Battle Mage]

Are you factoring in that Pine was in two hoods?

Yes, I currently have the following on the 7 person hood:

Vaultdweller
Danyboy
Farside
GeorgeBailey
Drixx
Hectic

and 1 more from:

Davesaz and Gamma Emerald

[Morning Tweet]

what's the full list of not-in-a-PT? I remember ABR had one early game it was like me, Vecna, Xtoxm, Molla? then didn't a50 and pisskop claim no hood as well? Honestly that seems like a fairly town list and not best odds of finding scum - I agree there's likely at least one scum there but there's no gimmes. I'd have to talk myself into voting like a50 or pisskop or Xtoxm and I have decent reasons for thinking all of them are town. Probably at this point if I had to, I'd go for a50 with the over-emphasis on Traitor spec - maybe crumbing traitor himself.

I agree that's not a very convincing list. I have reasons to TR all of them except pisskop. But I actually didn't read very heavily into the whole "pisskop maybe lying about his PT status" thing yesterday, and was more focused on the Hectic/momo wagons.

Because you think Jigsaw is a traitor? Or because you think he's not in a neighbourhood?

The latter - don't ask me about traitors *shrug* nothing so far has persuaded me to take about that one way or another.

Yea the traitor stuff went over my head. The momo flip PM didn't show me anything that suggests traitor. Why do you think Jiggy doesn't have a neighbourhood? Apologies if you already said it though

Feels like a fit with the flavour - Jigsaw wouldn't be in the hood, he would have his followers doing that dirty work. And also makes sense with Farside's theory of Jigsaw being able to see the trap PTs. There must be a balance here. Jigsaw just being some goon in a PT seems weak.

Well that's not exactly hard logic, but I can kinda see it. Jigsaw hides in the background, watching his traps as they're played out. Like in the candle jelly room, he peered in through a hole in the wall. Even if he's not a traitor or is in a neighbourhood, I figure Jigsaw can probably listen in to the traps

[Battle Mage]

Vote: Xtoxm

[Battle Mage]

Based on what happened last night, and everything we've seen so far today, Xtoxm is a great bet for scum and Jigsaw himself.

Trust BM - I have never steered you wrong before.

[farside22]

Also bm: i had a theory in the trap pt that scum might see what was posted in the pt. I asked the mod and he said no comment.

Maybe Jigsaw does. As Jigsaw is probably not in a PT.

I think maybe we should be hunting Jigsaw today to reduce the damage from traps - what do you think?

Who do you think is scummiest in your PT? who is getting a lot of heat? Any inconsistencies with posting in the main thread? Not sure if useful to share here or not, so leave to your judgement how much to say.

I didn't think about that. It would make sense for a flavor point.

Can we clear up a theory i have bm, please.
George is in the pt. Blake no.

Great, and presumably Hectic wasn't?

Hectic was.

@Farside - Gamma and Davesaz are presumably the final 2 with you?

Are you factoring in that Pine was in two hoods?

Yes, I currently have the following on the 7 person hood:

Vaultdweller
Danyboy
Farside
GeorgeBailey
Drixx
Hectic

and 1 more from:

Davesaz and Gamma Emerald

Both dave and GM. There is 8 in there.

[Battle Mage]

ah thanks Farside - I can count then, I just can't read....

Please be kind enough to join me in lynching Jigsaw today, to avenge the horrors we experience last night.

[farside22]

Pine, Blake, and I are the only ones in my PT. rip pine

It'd be nice if someone consolidated the PT claims cause i'm getting a little mixed up-- i thought Vecna was in the momo/BM/ABR PT too for some reason. I can also consolidate them sometime later too

Are you factoring in that Pine was in two hoods?

Yes, I currently have the following on the 7 person hood:

Vaultdweller
Danyboy
Farside
GeorgeBailey
Drixx
Hectic

and 1 more from:

Davesaz and Gamma Emerald

Don't mind me as I consolidate the list
PT: ABR/Pine/BM/Mono

Not in a PT by word of mouth:
Almost50
xtoxm
pisskop
bb
Vecna

Let me know if I missed something.

[Battle Mage]

you missed guilty lion, otherwise perfect

[farside22]

ah thanks Farside - I can count then, I just can't read....

Please be kind enough to join me in lynching Jigsaw today, to avenge the horrors we experience last night.

A50/Xtoxm/pisskop

I added pisskop because is day 2 interaction looks really off, but those 3 are part of the non-pt list I would call scum reads.

[Battle Mage]

ah thanks Farside - I can count then, I just can't read....

Please be kind enough to join me in lynching Jigsaw today, to avenge the horrors we experience last night.

A50/Xtoxm/pisskop

I added pisskop because is day 2 interaction looks really off, but those 3 are part of the non-pt list I would call scum reads.

Xtoxm is Jigsaw.

I am voting for Xtoxm.

[Battle Mage]

separately I do agree about Pisskop, but we can come to that another day.