Jigsaw's Revenge - Game Over

[Blake Belladonna]

Vote: Xtoxm

Based on what happened last night, and everything we've seen so far today, Xtoxm is a great bet for scum and Jigsaw himself.

Trust BM - I have never steered you wrong before.

I’ve got mixed feelings on this, I think the idea of Jigsaw running the traps/games makes sense, but unlike Danny I don’t have something that I personally find scummy from this person

Can someone run me through an actual case for Xtoxm?

I can help you a little bit...

Last night Xtoxm shared his fakeclaim (postman) with ABR to try and protect himself, whilst simultaneously trying to kill me. Sent him a love-letter, basically telling ABR how big and strong he is, and promised to sheep him forever (admittedly, this is how ABR described it ). Firstly, there's no way in hell anyone town is doing that. Secondly, the likelihood of scum not putting a trap on ABR last night is reasonably slim given his profile (and I believe he's close-to-confirmed town), so deduce that the reason they didn't is because Xtoxm was going to target him (because if ABR was trapped he couldn't have received the letter). Thirdly, Xtoxm randomly asked on Day 1 to be investigated by different types of cop, and I assume only Jigsaw would be cop-proof, and would have a big incentive for an early clear investigation. Plus Jigsaw is probably not in a PT, so that gives a 1/6 chance anyway, and Xtoxm is clearly the scummiest player of the 6 on his own merit. Others have already made the case on his Day 1 voting pattern being dreadful, but also keeping himself quiet enough to avoid much interest. His only post today is a memorial for Elsa who was subjected to 2 traps last night.

Hence we should

Vote: Xtoxm

This is a remarkably weak reason to lynch Xtoxm.

First, Xtoxm regularly, in every single game I've seen him in, has a very low post count. He commonly doesn't engage into games for very long when he does.
Second, this play you're suggesting happened is a very high risk play. I would be very shocked if any scumteam within this playerlist would forego trapping Albert B. Rampage for the sake of a half-assed pocket.
Third, why do you believe that Albert B. Rampage would be a higher priority pocket for Xtoxm rather than you?

[Battle Mage]

Almost50 is still town.
Battle Mage is still town.
BBMolla is still town.

farside22 I'm going to townbin for right now, because I don't see a reason for her to lie about what the trap consisted of. Based on the 1501, I further assume that it's likely that this trap was set to force town to remove one of two players that scum want removed in order to save the cop. I will revisit this later on when there's more information about what the scumteam are likely trying to do, but I'm not seeing scum being placed into this position currently.
davesaz is likely town.
GuiltyLion is likely town.
Xtoxm is likely town.
Drixx is likely town.
Vecna is likely town.

GeorgeBailey and VaultDweller are slots I remember townreading throughout day one, but at this point I don't remember why anymore. Their relative lack of presence lately do not give me the best impression.
Pisskop is somebody I'm not going to be interested in lynching for right now. He isn't acting like the last time I saw him as scum, but he's also far more easy to sort when he's town later on in the game.

Morning Tweet and Albert B Rampage are both slots that I'm explicitly not townreading. However, I would like to look towards reading these two slots primarily by analyzing Farside22 further, which I will do later. Until then, I'm not interested in sorting these two slots directly.

Of the remaining two, I would prefer a lynch on Gamma Emerald.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

I'm not sure what to make of this reads list. I mean, ABR is in a hood with me (and formerly Momo-scum), I can tell you with absolute confidence that the way Momo acted towards ABR in that PT, is NOT the way scum acts towards a partner. Is it conceivably possible ABR is scum? Yes. Is it remotely likely? No. Should we be discussing it today? Obviously not.

You don't mention Dany

at all

, despite the fact that he has been a big focal point today. Instead, I assume he is your unnamed 2nd favourite lynch for today?

You seem to have glossed over everything happening in respect of Xtoxm and bafflingly have him as likely town.

I won't go on, this is not a good showing.

[Battle Mage]

Vote: Xtoxm

Based on what happened last night, and everything we've seen so far today, Xtoxm is a great bet for scum and Jigsaw himself.

Trust BM - I have never steered you wrong before.

I’ve got mixed feelings on this, I think the idea of Jigsaw running the traps/games makes sense, but unlike Danny I don’t have something that I personally find scummy from this person

Can someone run me through an actual case for Xtoxm?

I can help you a little bit...

Last night Xtoxm shared his fakeclaim (postman) with ABR to try and protect himself, whilst simultaneously trying to kill me. Sent him a love-letter, basically telling ABR how big and strong he is, and promised to sheep him forever (admittedly, this is how ABR described it ). Firstly, there's no way in hell anyone town is doing that. Secondly, the likelihood of scum not putting a trap on ABR last night is reasonably slim given his profile (and I believe he's close-to-confirmed town), so deduce that the reason they didn't is because Xtoxm was going to target him (because if ABR was trapped he couldn't have received the letter). Thirdly, Xtoxm randomly asked on Day 1 to be investigated by different types of cop, and I assume only Jigsaw would be cop-proof, and would have a big incentive for an early clear investigation. Plus Jigsaw is probably not in a PT, so that gives a 1/6 chance anyway, and Xtoxm is clearly the scummiest player of the 6 on his own merit. Others have already made the case on his Day 1 voting pattern being dreadful, but also keeping himself quiet enough to avoid much interest. His only post today is a memorial for Elsa who was subjected to 2 traps last night.

Hence we should

Vote: Xtoxm

This is a remarkably weak reason to lynch Xtoxm.

First, Xtoxm regularly, in every single game I've seen him in, has a very low post count. He commonly doesn't engage into games for very long when he does.
Second, this play you're suggesting happened is a very high risk play. I would be very shocked if any scumteam within this playerlist would forego trapping Albert B. Rampage for the sake of a half-assed pocket.
Third, why do you believe that Albert B. Rampage would be a higher priority pocket for Xtoxm rather than you?

It's literally like you haven't been reading the game, or even my post above. Not even going to dignify this with an answer.

[Battle Mage]

Seeing Blake come out in support of Xtoxm is reassuring - I'd expect Jigsaw to get some people fighting his corner!

Definitely Blake tomorrow if Xtoxm flips as expected.

[Blake Belladonna]

I can tell you with absolute confidence that the way Momo acted towards ABR in that PT, is NOT the way scum acts towards a partner.

I want to judge this myself.

[pisskop]

VOTE: bella

[Battle Mage]

I can tell you with absolute confidence that the way Momo acted towards ABR in that PT, is NOT the way scum acts towards a partner.

I want to judge this myself.

I can see this for what it is. You're trying to throw yourself under to save Xtoxm.

Not today kiddo.

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: bella

Damnit pisskop, don't undermine me!

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yeah Blake, what do you think about dany?

[Battle Mage]

can we seriously end the foolishness and focus on lynching Xtoxm-scum.

I don't want to lose another 3 PRs tonight.

[Blake Belladonna]

I can tell you with absolute confidence that the way Momo acted towards ABR in that PT, is NOT the way scum acts towards a partner.

I want to judge this myself.

I can see this for what it is. You're trying to throw yourself under to save Xtoxm.

Not today kiddo.

Battle Mage.

Answer the question.

[Battle Mage]

Yeah Blake, what do you think about dany?

She's just protecting Xtoxm dude, it's distraction tactics.

[pisskop]

VOTE: bella

Damnit pisskop, don't undermine me!

Competing wagons are good

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yeah Blake, what do you think about dany?

She's just protecting Xtoxm dude, it's distraction tactics.

You've got my support but I think both should claim today.

[Battle Mage]

I can tell you with absolute confidence that the way Momo acted towards ABR in that PT, is NOT the way scum acts towards a partner.

I want to judge this myself.

I can see this for what it is. You're trying to throw yourself under to save Xtoxm.

Not today kiddo.

Battle Mage.

Answer the question.

There's no question here. Let me ask you something instead - how do you think I could have confidence in anything you say when you don't read my posts properly and with due respect? when you have not engaged with the trends and key issues in the game? and when you are trying to waste time and obfuscate affairs by throwing shade at people who we are clearly not lynching today?

This conversation is a waste of time. I know you are smarter than this, and so I have to believe there's a chance you are scum protecting Xtoxm, but I'll lynch him first to find out.

[Gamma Emerald]

BTW we know the make up of the cop and FBI hoods, do we know the Jigsaw Survivor hood make-up?

[Battle Mage]

BTW we know the make up of the cop and FBI hoods, do we know the Jigsaw Survivor hood make-up?

it's just me and ABR left. we did have Pine and Momo too.

Can you join our Xtoxm wagon now please? Many thanks!

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: bella

Damnit pisskop, don't undermine me!

Competing wagons are good

true, but do you agree with me that bella is just protecting her boss xtoxm?

[GuiltyLion]

I also think now that I'm considering it - Xtoxm lurky/disengaged D1 play may have been an intentional strategy to bait a cop check and get inno'd, giving him towncred/authority to lead later in the game - maybe assuming a lot of how scum!Xtoxm would play tho

at the very least knowing that you can't be investigated would give you less of a reason to try on D1

[Gamma Emerald]

Aight

If someone could set me up a temp hood with one or both of those two that’d be great

[Gamma Emerald]

Also I already voted Xtoxm

[Battle Mage]

I also think now that I'm considering it - Xtoxm lurky/disengaged D1 play may have been an intentional strategy to bait a cop check and get inno'd, giving him towncred/authority to lead later in the game - maybe assuming a lot of how scum!Xtoxm would play tho

at the very least knowing that you can't be investigated would give you less of a reason to try on D1

that's a good point Guilty Lion. Once again, you are a smart dude.

[Battle Mage]

Aight

If someone could set me up a temp hood with one or both of those two that’d be great

with who?

[SirCakez]

[SirCakez]