In post 1561, Raya36 wrote: In post 1466, Ame wrote:Can you go into your Knightmare read? In particular, why is he above Pink and Lady?
I'm curious what changed about your Hectic read as well.
Also, why are you most confident in Pine as town?
Lastly, what point about Spring are you referring to that changed your mind about her?
Knightmare:
I liked Knightmare's posts and questions. I agree with his views on Spring like
1336,
1350. He's been doing more than Pink and Lady in my opinion. But I just haven't seen him do anything that really stood out as town to me.
Hectic:
I think it's really unlikely he's buddies with Farkset. Both had always been buddied up this game and top town read for each. That just doesn't seem like a scumbuddy thing to do. I also like his recent catch up. Throughout the game I had always had a suspicious townlean on him too. I also agree with his most recent readslist for the most part. Ours are actually quite similar looking back on it.
Pine:
I feel like Pine's claim is genuine and honest. It would be so weird for scum to ask everyone to pause for a potential mod error just to fake a role claim like that. Also our discussion about him changed my mind about him and made me confident he is town.
Spring:
Hectic said that he thinks his attack on you is emotion-fueled from you being the reason for his capture yesterday. Which would make sense coming from town, not scum. Town gets captured and can easily be emotionally driven to believe their capturer is scum. Also I just honestly don't think the Farkset and Spring interactions were SvS. I also don't think the big quest control thing was scum either.
Finally
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Raya, I'm going to be honest with you now. I've had a secret scum read on you all game. But your responses are always perfectly written and your tone has such a pure essence, I could not reasonably justify my read. I came up with the volunteer capture strategy yesterday as an attempt to capture you without having to push you as a scum read.
I will also claim now. I am the vig. I had two ways of activating the lynch mechanic: (1) successfully killing someone (in which they become a treestump), or (2) being killed. I claimed only the latter part yesterday to prevent scum from roleblocking me. Additionally, knowing I was the vig, I felt safe asking for the vig to shoot me. I originally was going to shoot you, and planned to for most of the day, until Farkset became a priority. My goal was to capture one scum member and shoot another, hence why once I decided I was going to shoot Farkran, I attempted to swing the capture to you.
I've also been trying to catch you slipping, but you haven't done anything particularly scum indicative until today: this read list seems quite fake to me.
1. First, I do not find it believable that your read on Pine changed so drastically from our exchange or even from Farkset's flip. Your read on him throughout the game has been inconsistent.
a. Progression
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You question Farkset's Pine town read near the beginning of Day 1
188.
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Again when he responds
250.
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And then you defend Pine's lurking in
691.
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And agree with Ginnie's "this is town Pine" after Pine made a completely NAI post about feeling better
845.
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Yet you came into day 2 with Pine as one of your two scum picks
1278, your reasoning being that Farkset town read/defended him
1367. This is off because the reasonable conclusion would be that Farkset had TMI town read him.
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Somehow me pointing this out was enough to completely reverse your read to the point where he is
your strongest town read
1369,
1370? It's hard to believe this is sinscere.
~red
indicates you finding him suspicious,
~green
indicates you finding him townie
b. Impossible meta read
You also claim that your scum read on Pine was based on meta. But you have only played with him in a game where he posted once and was replaced out.
It is not believable that you are using this to contrast his play here, which has certainly also been lurky (as you acknowledged in
691).
2. The point that Hectic brought up about Spring is incredibly speculative. You have no idea if she was pushing me because she was upset about being captured. And even if so, that's not necessarily town indicative. Your reversal on this read,
1428, does not feel to be coming from a genuine solve-oriented mindset.
3. Why am I so low! This is weird to me. The only person I could reasonably expect Ame not being at the top or near the top of their read list is Spring. It's not believable to me that one of your strongest scum reads coming into today and SPRING are suddenly above Ame's placement based on the quite fragile reasoning that was given for both: Pine being a TMI read and Spring being angry. I suspect the reason for my position is related to the first point below (A1).
Additional things that I've found suspicious
A1.
1353,
1354, and
1358 felt reactionary to my
1347, like you were feeling scum was close to being cornered through PoE.
A2. So many of your reads have felt like TMI.
~In particular, your agreeing with Ginnie on Pine in
845. The read made sense from Ginnie's perspective who has experience with Pine, but not from you who only had one game with him where he posted once and replaced out!
~Your read on Chloe in that same post also seemed incredibly forced, though I'm not sure if this is TMI or if she was just your scum buddy. As Farkset pointed out, Chloe's post could easily be faked.
It's odd that you had such a strong read based on superficial reasoning.
A3. You've made a lot of random comments that don't really go anywhere or build a cohesive narrative.
~In
188 you said that my neighborizer vote was almost too scummy to be scum, but you never went anywhere with it.
~In
682 you state that Pink's comment doesn't seem like something scum would say, but never incorporate that into your reads. Did the fact that he was making a joke change the read?
~You ask Pink ball why he voted Pine then never follow up on it.
These all come off to me as fake scum hunting as you never incorporate them into your analysis. It's like you're just providing commentary.
A4. Your position on Farkset was fence sitty and you never committed your vote to him. You had him as strong town at the beginning of the day, but never explained why you were comfortable capturing him at the end.
With all these in mind, I think you're scum.
VOTE: Raya
However, as with Farkset, I would very much like to give you the opportunity to dismantle my case. These are the essential components:
1
Your read list.
Your progression on Pine.
Your meta read on Pine.
Your progression Spring.
Your progression on Ame.
2
Your director's commentary.
3
Your fence-sitting position on Farkset.
Question: What is a 'suspicious town lean'?
I'm Madoka btw.
