Jigsaw's Revenge - Game Over

[Morning Tweet]

A50 flipped as 'gritty', and it said any residual effects wont apply to him.

Do you have a modifier or post restriction or something?

No, as far as I know. I want to wait and see if BM has some insider info on why I shouldn't disclose details about the game, though.

I am slightly worried my head might blow off or something if I do. but that would have been a secret kept from me

[Drixx]

I'm gonna just give a little bit of /side-eye to Cakez and then carry on under the assumption that there must be a metric shit ton I'm missing from the my game theory atm.

Someone from my hood asked that we not do anything dramatic in the game until they can post, so I'll just sit over here and wait for them.

[BBmolla]

[pisskop]

I feel like a50 is a common target from people to push.....

[GuiltyLion]

One thing I don't understand is how it's determined who gets put into the games. Mine started within 15-20 minutes of the day 2 end which feels too fast for scum to be making decisions based on the day play. I do agree scum can likely monitor though - I was put into a PT to play the game and told to submit my choice in the PT.

I'd like to wait and hear about MT's game and what happened before I describe how mine went down.

[GuiltyLion]

I still kinda want to just lynch iDanyBoy or Gamma in a vacuum, they're my strongest independent scumreads.

Yesterday I felt that Blake was scum but given that ABR/BM are both still alive, I'm a little less eager to jump to a quick conclusion there. I'm also not sure it's something that has to be resolved today.

[Morning Tweet]

One thing I don't understand is how it's determined who gets put into the games. Mine started within 15-20 minutes of the day 2 end which feels too fast for scum to be making decisions based on the day play. I do agree scum can likely monitor though - I was put into a PT to play the game and told to submit my choice in the PT.

I can confirm this. I got grabbed very very quickly after the day ended. I was also in a PT that someone easily could have been hiding in.

[Morning Tweet]

Spoiler: reads

TOWN BLOCK //
Battle Mage

HEAVY TOWN LEAN //
ABR, GeorgeBailey, GuiltyLion, BBMolla

MEDIUM TOWN LEAN //
Vecna

WEAK TOWN LEAN //
Gamma

NULL-TOWN //
VaultDweller,

A50

, pisskop

UNSURE //

Farside

SOMEWHAT BAD LOOKS //
Blake, Davesaz, Drixx

TIME-OUT //
iDanyboy

Where I ended up at after doing some ISOs n rereads. As always I feel very unconfident about the lower end, feel decent about the townreads.

[GuiltyLion]

I have to think the people placed in games is random or based on something arbitrary like wagon position or something, or at the very least decided by scum prior to the EOD. Because it's also odd Vecna is widely townread, claimed info, and wasn't put in a game, I would think if he's town he'd be a decently high priority kill for scum

[pisskop]

Maybe its indicative of us being wrong in our reads.

[Morning Tweet]

I have to think the people placed in games is random or based on something arbitrary like wagon position or something, or at the very least decided by scum prior to the EOD. Because it's also odd Vecna is widely townread, claimed info, and wasn't put in a game, I would think if he's town he'd be a decently high priority kill for scum

I thought we had lost that information forever too

I figured scum has a list where they put individuals they want in traps at the top, and they can update the list throughout the day. Would have to check the wagons again to see if that has anything to do with it though

[Morning Tweet]

Actually yeah the people being put into games can't be any kind of wagon-orientation or randomness I don't think. Hectic was put into two games at once on night one. They really wanted him dead.

Not to mention, Elsa's game somehow was so dangerous that the choice she picked caused both her and Hectic to die. That game must have been quite powerful if THAT was the best choice she could make. I feel its very likely they handpicked it

[pisskop]

So, why would they put elsa in 2 games? Seems like they wasted a kill

[Morning Tweet]

So, why would they put elsa in 2 games? Seems like they wasted a kill

That's a good point. In my mind, I had figured Battle Mage had some say in who died in his game. Just a theory though, need to hear from him

[pisskop]

I guess. The flavor did say farside shot A50

[pisskop]

Elsa did have some suspicion of dany . . .

[Morning Tweet]

Farside shot A50 using her role though

[pisskop]

So, obviously NSFW




Farside seems to have been given a gun . . . by scum?

[pisskop]

A whole of of dying happens in this one scene, so I wonder if it couldnt have been worse?

[SirCakez]

To clarify: Almost50's gun death was mechanically disconnected from the Game that killed farside22. I just combined them in flavor for dramatic effect.
I apologize for the confusion.

[Morning Tweet]

That is a pretty fun coincidence that she played the ice block trap and had a gun.

Your given a gun by scum theory is kinda what I was thinking with Battle Mage killing Elsa Jay

[pisskop]

Its possible, cakez didnt discredit that one.

[Morning Tweet]

Due to the Choice made in a Game by Battle Mage last night, Elsa Jay died...again! Talk about overkill...

Due to the Choice made in a Game by farside22 last night, her head was crushed with ice blocks and she died!

Almost50 was shot in the head! He died!

Not only because Cakes didn't discredit it, but it's worded differently.

Elsa's death was caused by BM's game choice. He had options, and he picked for that one to happen. Whether it was between a limited pool of players, it was any player he wanted, it was him or elsa, etc., i dont know

A50's death was basically the same as "A50 died last night!". The first regular night kill, mod confirmed to come from the vig.

Makes me think scum is incapable of killing us in any way other than playing games. If scum had access to a night kill, then Cakes wouldn't have told us that farside was the one who shot A50. That's my thinking anyway

[GuiltyLion]

Makes me think scum is incapable of killing us in any way other than playing games. If scum had access to a night kill, then Cakes wouldn't have told us that farside was the one who shot A50. That's my thinking anyway

so, I share a lot of your thought process MT, and I agree with all your reasoning here, and I still think you're a solid townread.

That said - if scum have to put us in games to kill us, including solo games, doesn't that start to clear a lot of players if that's the only avenue scum have to kill? I would think at some point scum would need to put themselves in games, which is why I'm curious/waiting to hear how you survived your game with no apparent negative effects. I will def explain mine as well today, but hilariously sucks for scum lol if they thought they would kill both of us and we both avoided it and cleared ourselves as town in the process

[Morning Tweet]

Makes me think scum is incapable of killing us in any way other than playing games. If scum had access to a night kill, then Cakes wouldn't have told us that farside was the one who shot A50. That's my thinking anyway

so, I share a lot of your thought process MT, and I agree with all your reasoning here, and I still think you're a solid townread.

That said - if scum have to put us in games to kill us, including solo games, doesn't that start to clear a lot of players if that's the only avenue scum have to kill? I would think at some point scum would need to put themselves in games, which is why I'm curious/waiting to hear how you survived your game with no apparent negative effects. I will def explain mine as well today, but hilariously sucks for scum lol if they thought they would kill both of us and we both avoided it and cleared ourselves as town in the process

I had a similar thought last night! Here's my notes I had on a post by blake:

Spoiler:

1687 - Blake gives out her master reads list. Her reasoning for townblocking farside is that she believes scum would put two players they want to get rid of with the confirmed cop. Blake reads that I also find interesting: Davesaz!town, Drixx!town, and Gamma!scum.

This strikes me as shaky reasoning for townreading farside. Scum could just as well put one of their own in the trap. Hell I’d expect it. Anyone from an outsiders perspective would know that Pine was 100% going to sacrifice himself in that trap. So why not stick a scum in the trap too?

I think it's likely they have to kill us with the games. However, from that deduction, surely scum can put themselves in the games too..? There's a possible issue ive found with scum putting themselves in the games, but i'll go that later once i talk about my game.