Jigsaw's Revenge - Game Over

[Battle Mage]

Battle Mage's Setup Theory

4 person survivor hood - includes 2 scum (Momo and ABR)
3 person FBI hood - NO SCUM
8 person (Cop?) hood - Likely only 1 scum, outside chance of 2.
No hood - Likely 2 scum, outside chance of 1.

I'll case ABR properly later, but wanted to set out my theory on the setup first. Reason for this is partly flavour (I spent the night phase reading up on all the Saw flavour!) and partly what I think the Mod would do to balance the game whilst making it consistent with the flavour.

Assumption:

Flavour consistency is very important to the Mod. So far, everyone in hoods, has conformed to the flavour of that hood. This INCLUDES SCUM. Momo had a fakeclaim of a town survivor, but his actual scum character was a survivor in the movies.

One of the premier baddies in Saw is a character called Amanda Young. She was also, notably, a Jigsaw Survivor. My hypothesis is that ABR is Amanda Young, and therefore my hood contained 2 scum originally.

There was only 1 cop who was a baddy in the franchise, Det Mark Hoffman. So he is presumably in the 8-person hood.

John Kramer (Jigsaw) would be outside of any hood. And the remaining scum, I theorise, is most likely to be Lawrence Gordon, who was a doctor, and wouldn't fit in any of the hoods either.

From a gameplay perspective, unbalanced number of scum in the hoods makes sense (to give false positives in the small hood, and everyone chasing shadows in the big hood with only 1 scum). Hoods with the right proportions of scum would be too town heavy, especially with the amount of PRs. Plus it's Saw, so the point is the game is meant to screw with you.

In the game that means:

ABR is scum.
There is 2 scum within: Pisskop, BBmola, Vecna and GuiltyLion
Blake and MorningTweet are town.
There is only 1 scum in big hood, which I still think is Danyboy (especially if ABR is scum, as he loves Danyboy). But we shouldn't be hitting here yet as we have lower mathematical odds of success.

Wasnt there a second corrupt cop in that last saw movie? Not sure if it was JIGSAW or SAW6, but Iirc there was another turncoat in a police department.

If you can find it, I'll hear you out. But not a (high profile) scum-police I'm aware of.

[Battle Mage]

I still kinda want to just lynch iDanyBoy or Gamma in a vacuum, they're my strongest independent scumreads.

Yesterday I felt that Blake was scum but given that ABR/BM are both still alive, I'm a little less eager to jump to a quick conclusion there. I'm also not sure it's something that has to be resolved today.

Guilty lion keeps posting exactly the thoughts that are in my head.

How did both ABR and BM survive both N1 and N2 after that D1?

It might be a scum ploy to make them look suspicious, but in this game town has plenty of stuff to be suspicious about already.

It stands out.

Also, blake and Drixx seem to have zero interest in thsi game at all. Drixx makes a post and its some talk about his internal mech thinking. Who does that after all the shit that has gone down as town, knowing you havent participated in the main threat at all (pretty much).

Also, that hammer on Xtox went through reallly really quickly.....

BM was being extremely arrogant and annoying yesterday about xtoxm. I suspect BM still is going to be playing incredibly stupidly for the rest of the game and thats why hes alive. BM also claimed bulletproof so make of that what you will.

I'm a VT, no powers.

I feel incredibly betrayed by xtoxm lynch yesterday and BM had no remorse whatsoever. He's just incredibly dumb.

VOTE: Blake

Worth noting, ABR claimed on the first page of the PT "There are no VTs in this game".

So that was another lie then!

Basically today is simple: if I'm town, ABR is scum.

I'm gonna let all the personal digs slide, because I know I've got you nailed and you're panicking.

[Battle Mage]

Why was BM so sure of xtoxm yesterday that every post he made was a death tunnel?

Without me there's no momo lynch Day 1. BMs theory is 2 scum in a 4 person hood AND I TRY TO MURDER BOTH MY HOOD MATES PINE AND BM N1?????

1. Everyone can go back and read what happened Day 1. You were dragged, kicking and screaming, onto the Momo wagon. You were convinced Momo was town until I told you otherwise and got some momentum.

2. I believe Jigsaw chooses the night targets, so it may not have been upto you. But even if you had a say, it wouldn't surprise me you would try to kill us, given you would think yourself confirmed town (and you were looking pretty suspicious in the PT).

[Vecna]

I believe his words were "I lead you into my hectic trap"

[Albert B. Rampage]

Neighbor is basically vt in this game. Got no powers at night.

Ok I hate to float this idea but what if BM is jigsaw?

Mod said BM killed people N1. He bussed his buddy for infinite towncred and claims BP?

Just a wild theory and ive no interest in voting BM for the next few days just keep that in mind.

Anyways peace out BM needs to be humbled vote Blake kthx

[Vecna]

Also, his whole "hectic was a ruse to see who would hop on, it was my own trap" felt very odd, but it does make sense in a scum that was forced to bus his teammate kind of way.

Ive clearly already started confbiassing

[Albert B. Rampage]

Also, his whole "hectic was a ruse to see who would hop on, it was my own trap" felt very odd, but it does make sense in a scum that was forced to bus his teammate kind of way.

Ive clearly already started confbiassing

Look at BMs posts yesterday after he mislynched

Look at his posts today

Different day same shit

[Battle Mage]

As for my reveal, my role is literally that im someone's son. Apparently ive disappeared, ran away from home or something, and my dad is most likely being a badass and searching for me. Not sure if that role flavour has any relation to game mechanics or if its just fluff, but I bet its probably reflected in my dads PM in some way.

I know that Vaultdweller is my dad. His name is Eric Matthews, and my role pm confirms him as town to me. It also states he does not know my identity.

I wanted to keep this hidden for as long as possible, especially after it appeared Vaultdweller was taking the lurking approach and was unlikely to be killed early. I figured if I were to die, my role pm would still make him an IC (confirmed by mod in pm). If both of us were to survive to endgame it would significantly increase our chances of winning.

I know this might not townclear me in any way, but it should at least inform your decisions going forward.

I wanted to claim it yesterday after all the trap stuff and people killing eachother left and right to avoid someone accidentally killing a town IC, but then the day was suddenly over.

This is really helpful. It doesn't necessarily clear you, although I definitely buy it. It clears VaultDweller though if you're town which is really useful as he was one of my top scumpicks!

It also casts further doubt on ABRs claim that he is somebody's kid, who is in the survivor PT despite never facing a Jigsaw trap in the franchise.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Weak ass players with no mafia IQ.

[Vecna]

Wut? the thread was locked after xtoxm was mislynched

what words are you talking about

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yeah im sure the mod gave a fakeclaim bad flavor so you can catch me BM.

This is a circus. Why do you think blake is town again? More flavor?

Forget about it im out

[Battle Mage]

Neighbor is basically vt in this game. Got no powers at night.

Ok I hate to float this idea but what if BM is jigsaw?

Mod said BM killed people N1. He bussed his buddy for infinite towncred and claims BP?

Just a wild theory and ive no interest in voting BM for the next few days just keep that in mind.

Anyways peace out BM needs to be humbled vote Blake kthx

This is ludicrous clutching at straws now fella!

You're now suggesting I'm Jigsaw?? I'll tell you what, if you flip town, I'll happily bite the bullet tomorrow.

[Battle Mage]

Yeah im sure the mod gave a fakeclaim bad flavor so you can catch me BM.

This is a circus. Why do you think blake is town again? More flavor?

Forget about it im out

ABR blaming the Mod for getting caught. This is priceless.

[Battle Mage]

Also, his whole "hectic was a ruse to see who would hop on, it was my own trap" felt very odd, but it does make sense in a scum that was forced to bus his teammate kind of way.

Ive clearly already started confbiassing

yep you've got it dude, it's simple. Looks like scum, smells like scum, it's scum.

Confirm Vote: ABR

[Vecna]

VOTE: ABR

[Battle Mage]

A simpler list for today

Probable Town

(Unlikely any scum in here at all)
Morning Tweet
Blake Belladonna
Drixx
VaultDweller
Vecna

Neutral

(only 1 scum here if Dany is town, 0 if Dany is scum)
davesaz
GeorgeBailey
Gamma Emerald

Possible scum

(only 1 scum here, unless BBmolla is town)
GuiltyLion
pisskop

Probable Scum

(prime lynches for tomorrow)
iDanyboy
BBmolla

Definitely Scum

(Lynch for today)
Albert B. Rampage

[Battle Mage]

It's also funny reading back on the end of Day 1. Once Momo knew he was stuffed, he randomly started attacking ABR (to try and buy ABR some towncred later):

You think I'm the scum in our PT? I don't believe you.

It can't be anyone else.

momo - I know for a fact I'm town.
Pine - Yes, he's lurked a bit but nothing about his play seems particularly scummy.
Battle Mage - I don't like that he's scumreading me, but his casual tone and attempts at actually scumhunting don't seem scummy.
ABR - I can't read you well, but you've tried to make it seem like you're 100% town too deliberately and the way you're pushing this wagon is very sus. Your play seems scummy.

So yeah, out of the 4 of us, you're most likely scum.

No effort to bus too hard, but just hard enough to make people think it can't be SvS. Wrong Momo, wrong!

[Battle Mage]

Re-reading ABR and BBmolla ISO, it's very likely they are scumbuddies. So I'd be more comfortable lynching BBmolla before Danyboy.

Of GuiltyLion and Pisskop, I think GuiltyLion is more likely scum, based on ABR pushing GL a bit more conspicuously, and Pisskop being more chill about following ABR.

So remaining scum would be: ABR, BBMolla, Danyboy, GuiltyLion

Not 100% guaranteed, but that's my current solve.

ABR below noting that there are 2 scum outside hoods, and 1 in each hood. Makes me happier with ABR-scum, and on that basis, Blake and MT town (because ABR scum wouldn't want to be hunting in a 3 person hood with 1 of his buddies in). If ABR is scum, based on the below, my setup solve is probably on the money.

If you're a townie, you see Drixx open up about not knowing the player list in his PT on page 1, and you're not in any hood yourself and not curious at all about his post to comment on it...I find that suspicious.

Scumreads: Guilty Lion, Vecna, Xtoxm, BBmolla

3 have claimed not to be in a hood: A50, BBmolla, Xtoxm,

Guilty Lion

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For sure there's scum outside the PTs. Probably 1 scum in each PT and 2 outside of it if there are 3 PTs. Statistically, our best bet is to lynch inside [A50, BBmolla, Xtoxm, Guilty Lion] today.

[Battle Mage]

I get that you think of yourself as some sort of super genius, but you're not. You're nowhere near solving this game

Momo was right. I had ABR as town on Day 1. Oops.

Still, Day 3 aint bad is it?

[pisskop]

Would be funny if abr hard dropped his scumbud to get a TR...

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yeah it would be really funny except in 150+ games I have never done that in my career, because I am bad at scum. I am ALWAYS the sacrificial lamb, and NEVER expected to go to to the end. Look at any of my scum games. I have NEVER played as if I'm good at scum. Look at my wiki.

[Albert B. Rampage]

This is an easy win for us, lynch Blake and I'll tell you who to lynch next, we got this. BM should be ignored like we should have done yesterday, that was my fault for believing him yesterday.

[pisskop]

dany or blake is def my pref.

VOTE: blake

[Battle Mage]

Would be funny if abr hard dropped his scumbud to get a TR...

That's not what happened though - he only pushed Momo once it was absolutely clear he couldn't get anywhere with Hectic and Momo was already a surefire lynch.

[Battle Mage]

dany or blake is def my pref.

VOTE: blake

maybe I got you and GuiltyLion the wrong way around. No idea why you, as town, would blindly sheep ABR when he has virtually admitted to being scum.