Jigsaw's Revenge - Game Over

[Albert B. Rampage]

Townies get it wrong all the time. It's acceptable to mislynch town sometimes. I'm more annoyed that you and pisskop decided to end the day super early with the quickhammer.

I was so annoyed at BM D2 he wouldn't stop death tunneling and I didn't want to spend a week debating him with his outrageous number of posts per day.

I'm fine with dany lynch today BTW.

VOTE: danny

[Battle Mage]

OK some people may wonder why I am upset?

After Xtoxm got lynched I unleashed a torrent of anger on BM in our PT yesterday within the first couple minutes of night, and then ignored him for the rest of N2.

This level of incompetence on his part is mind-boggling, and I fully blame myself for the part I played in this yesterday, which is why I continue to be upset today.

You explicitly said you agreed with my case on Xtoxm and encouraged me to pursue it.

If it wasn't for me, you'd have probably got everyone claiming their roles by now with pointless bandwagons. In contrast, I've actually been scumhunting.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Another thing BM did to piss me off is he claimed bulletproof D2 under no pressure for no reason. Just one stupid decision after another.

[Morning Tweet]

I think its possible there are two children given theres like 21 ppl in this game. You run out of characters after a while.

And one child has no involvement in the movies, hence VT. The other has a lot of importantance, hence the role.

Now I dont deny the possibility it's a fake claim. Momo was a VT but claimed 1-shot BP. ABR could be a scum power role with a VT fake claim.

[Battle Mage]

Townies get it wrong all the time. It's acceptable to mislynch town sometimes. I'm more annoyed that you and pisskop decided to end the day super early with the quickhammer.

I was so annoyed at BM D2 he wouldn't stop death tunneling and I didn't want to spend a week debating him with his outrageous number of posts per day.

I'm fine with dany lynch today BTW.

VOTE: danny

This is not true, you were perfectly happy lynching Xtoxm, on the proviso I helped you lynch Blake today.

You only got angry with me when you knew I was onto you, and wasn't going to play your games.

[Morning Tweet]

I was heavily under the impression yesterday that you both gave the Xtoxm lynch your full support.

[Albert B. Rampage]

This is not true, you were perfectly happy lynching Xtoxm, on the proviso I helped you lynch Blake today. You only got angry with me when you knew I was onto you, and wasn't going to play your games.

This is a lie. I went after you immediately upon Xtoxm flipping before you said anything about me.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I was heavily under the impression yesterday that you both gave the Xtoxm lynch your full support.

No, Xtoxm was not in my POE. I listened to BM and shouldn't have.

[Morning Tweet]

BM, did ABR get angry with you in the PT as soon as the night started? Or was it after you said something about suspecting him

[Battle Mage]

I think its possible there are two children given theres like 21 ppl in this game. You run out of characters after a while.

And one child has no involvement in the movies, hence VT. The other has a lot of importantance, hence the role.

Now I dont deny the possibility it's a fake claim. Momo was a VT but claimed 1-shot BP. ABR could be a scum power role with a VT fake claim.

Momo wasn't a VT, he was scum?

Nobody has flipped or claimed VT so far. And as you note, his fakeclaim has no involvement, but also crucially isn't really a Jigsaw survivor. And there's loads of characters across the franchise, not hard to find 21.

Irrespective, he's scum because of how he has behaved, and it doesn't simply hinge on the fact he fakeclaimed his flavour and role.

[Morning Tweet]

I town binned Xtoxm, misinterpreted BM as softing he had hard evidence against him so I joined, and then when I realized it wasnt the case I only had 1 chance to unvote and I didnt cause GL's godfather theory lined up pretty well with the case.

Pedit: I mean momo was a mafia goon.

[Morning Tweet]

You make a good point that Jeff's daughter isnt *really* a jigsaw survivor. But perhaps the flavour is being really lenient. I dont think ABR made up the claim, it's either his real role or his mod fakeclaim.

So whether or not it sounds fake is irrelevant. It's a real role, it just might not be the one he has

[Battle Mage]

Ideally before night I'd like Pine/BM to confirm that this was the plan and that they side with ABR here relating to Momo's 1337 but generally this all feels right and makes sense. I think Blake and Elsa look most bad here in terms of associations. I can seeeee why Vecna looks bad too but I kinda still think he's town bc my townread on him was so strong prior, though the sudden pivot to Gamma was a bit odd maybe a "let's set up a future bus" situation if it's like momo/Vecna/Gamma. I was trying to draw attention to Gamma many times this game bc Gamma feels heckin scummy to me still and didn't get any support from Vecna until now once other wagons are a lot more likely to go through

p-edit momo why would you WANT to make it to LYLO as town lol

Our PT is made up of the survivors of jigsaw's past games, he didn't lie about that nor did I say that on the last page.

I guess you didn't bother to check your own fakeclaim at this point?

Last night Xtoxm shared his fakeclaim (postman) with ABR to try and protect himself, whilst simultaneously trying to kill me. Sent him a love-letter, basically telling ABR how big and strong he is, and promised to sheep him forever (admittedly, this is how ABR described it ). Firstly, there's no way in hell anyone town is doing that. Secondly, the likelihood of scum not putting a trap on ABR last night is reasonably slim given his profile (and I believe he's close-to-confirmed town), so deduce that the reason they didn't is because Xtoxm was going to target him (because if ABR was trapped he couldn't have received the letter). Thirdly, Xtoxm randomly asked on Day 1 to be investigated by different types of cop, and I assume only Jigsaw would be cop-proof, and would have a big incentive for an early clear investigation. Plus Jigsaw is probably not in a PT, so that gives a 1/6 chance anyway, and Xtoxm is clearly the scummiest player of the 6 on his own merit. Others have already made the case on his Day 1 voting pattern being dreadful, but also keeping himself quiet enough to avoid much interest. His only post today is a memorial for Elsa who was subjected to 2 traps last night. Hence we should Vote: Xtoxm

All this is true and BM's case has merit, I won't deny it.

I can go for Xtoxm if everyone promises me you will lynch Blake if I die or I will endeavor to make you see Blake is scum for the rest of Day 2.

^This is ABR confirming he agreed with the Xtoxm case and encouraging us to continue lynching him.

[Battle Mage]

You make a good point that Jeff's daughter isnt *really* a jigsaw survivor. But perhaps the flavour is being really lenient. I dont think ABR made up the claim, it's either his real role or his mod fakeclaim.

So whether or not it sounds fake is irrelevant. It's a real role, it just might not be the one he has

The main point is I think there is 2 scum in the Survivor hood, one being Amanda Young.

[Battle Mage]

BM, did ABR get angry with you in the PT as soon as the night started? Or was it after you said something about suspecting him

he started to get angry after I didn't tell him my role and flavour and wouldn't tell him what happened in my N1 trap, because he realised I didn't trust him and he couldn't manipulate me by hanging off my balls.

[Morning Tweet]

Your PT is fake-Simone (survived a jigsaw trap and attended survivors reunion), Perez (I forget this character actually but I know she survived a jigsaw trap), BattleMage, and supposedly Jeff's daughter?

I cannot deny that is weird. But ABR wouldn't make up a role and flavour name. he'd use what the mod gave him.

[Morning Tweet]

You make a good point that Jeff's daughter isnt *really* a jigsaw survivor. But perhaps the flavour is being really lenient. I dont think ABR made up the claim, it's either his real role or his mod fakeclaim.

So whether or not it sounds fake is irrelevant. It's a real role, it just might not be the one he has

The main point is I think there is 2 scum in the Survivor hood, one being Amanda Young.

Your PTs-attached-to-acolyte thing isnt a terrible theory. And I can see why ABR's behaviour is making it feel confirmed to you. But i do worry that you are getting locked into the theory with ABRs behaviour just reinforcing it for you.

I know Amanda Young is a jigsaw survivor. Logan Nelson is a confirmed scum from your PT. Did he survive a jigsaw trap before becoming an acolyte?

[Battle Mage]

Your PT is fake-Simone (survived a jigsaw trap and attended survivors reunion), Perez (I forget this character actually but I know she survived a jigsaw trap), BattleMage, and supposedly Jeff's daughter?

I cannot deny that is weird. But ABR wouldn't make up a role and flavour name. he'd use what the mod gave him.

I agree completely (my character also survived an actual jigsaw trap). But I've been reading up on flavour, and think it's more likely he is Amanda Young, one of the prominent baddies who was famously a Jigsaw survivor.

[Battle Mage]

You make a good point that Jeff's daughter isnt *really* a jigsaw survivor. But perhaps the flavour is being really lenient. I dont think ABR made up the claim, it's either his real role or his mod fakeclaim.

So whether or not it sounds fake is irrelevant. It's a real role, it just might not be the one he has

The main point is I think there is 2 scum in the Survivor hood, one being Amanda Young.

Your PTs-attached-to-acolyte thing isnt a terrible theory. And I can see why ABR's behaviour is making it feel confirmed to you. But i do worry that you are getting locked into the theory with ABRs behaviour just reinforcing it for you.

I know Amanda Young is a jigsaw survivor. Logan Nelson is a confirmed scum from your PT. Did he survive a jigsaw trap before becoming an acolyte?

Yes Logan did.

I was already wary of ABR even before looking at the flavour, based on all the other reasons relating to his scummy behaviour. So he can't keep blaming the Mod for this, it's all his own doing.

[Battle Mage]

I don't think it's against the rules or spirit of the game to speculate about someone's claim based on likely characters. It's a theme game, so you can't really help it.

[Morning Tweet]

Why would he be given a fake claim that doesnt fit the PT? Momo's claim, Simone, fit with it

I agree that Amanda Young is likely in this game. And if character flavour is attached to PTs, itd make sense for her to be in the survivor PT.

Although I suppose it's also possible that Amanda is left out of the game as a red herring maybe.

Jigsaw/Dr Gordon/Hoffman/Logan Nelson/ ??

mm i cant think of another acolyte to fill the last spot besides amanda though

[Battle Mage]

Why would he be given a fake claim that doesnt fit the PT? Momo's claim, Simone, fit with it

I agree that Amanda Young is likely in this game. And if character flavour is attached to PTs, itd make sense for her to be in the survivor PT.

Although I suppose it's also possible that Amanda is left out of the game as a red herring maybe.

Jigsaw/Dr Gordon/Hoffman/Logan Nelson/ ??

mm i cant think of another acolyte to fill the last spot besides amanda though

Jigsaw's wife could be in there, but more likely instead of Dr Gordon, and I don't think that'd be a very good red herring, given the beauty of this game is in the flavour and the setup with hoods of different sizes. She wouldn't fit in a hood either.

The other argument is that the mechanic works a lot better with 2 scum in the 4 person hood, and only 1 scum in the 8 person hood. Lots of people chasing shadows in the big hood, and false positives in the small hood. It just feels like the best way for the game to be, and I give the Mod the credit for that level of evil ingenuity.

[Battle Mage]

I need help on why people find BBMolla so scummy. Also with GuiltyLion, I feel like i share the same opinion with him so often itd feel criminal to kill him.

also we both have shared game trauma now. Could be, as people said, a way for scum to claim towncred by surviving a game. maybe scum just wanted us dead

GuiltyLion is a smart cookie, that's

fur

sure. But it doesn't mean he's town, he might know too much. And why is he feeling so Guilty, if he isn't scum?

[Morning Tweet]

I can't wait to hear about his game, at least!

When i share a thought process with someone really consistently, i feel that's at least slightly town indictative. Plus it's protown from my perspective to have people that are like minded stay alive and help lynch people we agree on are scummy.

Theres always that paranoia, but i think at this stage i wouldn't want to lynch GL. Plus I do think its interesting that both he and I got thrown into games after both doing pretty much the same thing yesterday:

Vote iDany -> Resist Xtoxm for a little bit, until BM persuades us -> Reason for voting Xtoxm is that we trust BM knows something we dont about the hood

[Battle Mage]

again in my defence, my hidden knowledge was the lies ABR fed me.

So overall it was worth it I guess, 1 town lynch for 1 scum lynch and potentially the keys to the game once ABR flips.