Mini 2133: XP Mafia II (Game Over)

[Ame]

I never even considered it being a TMI read

You stated this:

My two possibilities were Pine lied about his role at the start of the day and Farkset was lightly defending him because he is scum, or if Farkset was TMI defending him then he is town and his claim is true which makes him town.

[Raya36]

Sorry, bad wording. I meant that those were the two possible things I could have considered. Like the two directions I could've gone. Not that I was considering them both. The first is what I was thinking. The second is what you pointed out to me

[Ame]

Ok. What happened to your lady town read from 854? And who are your two picks for scum?

[Pink Ball]

Like look at that post. Without reading it I know it's a great post. Will I read it? No, but that doesn't make it a bad post. I'ts a great post Ame good job

You

won`t read it?

? Why? It isn`t a wallpost.

Because I won't understand it without the context which is related to a wallpost

[Raven Branwen]

What seemed townie about Alisae?

I would like to know as well

It’s a weak read but e seemed to be townier than Momo, which obviously isn’t hard. Momo always looks scummy by playstyle but him voting the neighbourhood was the least townie of all of the D1 options.

[Ame]

But what seemed townie?

[Ame]

You told us why momo seemed scummy, not why Alisae seems townie.

[Raven Branwen]

Spoiler:

But closer to null slots like Pine

were only association. And I thought Farkset lightly defending him was a bad association. You pointed out to me that it was probably TMI from Farkset which made me realize my association was wrong. That association was the only reason Pine was so low. That point was enough to make me believe Pine is town. My two possibilities were Pine lied about his role at the start of the day and Farkset was lightly defending him because he is scum, or if Farkset was TMI defending him then he is town and his claim is true which makes him town. You convinced me that Farkset TMI read him, I believe his claim, he is town.

I think this is the critical piece. You state that Pine was close to null before the association and that the only reason he was a scum pick was because of it. However, after being convinced against the association, Pine became your top town read when he ought to have simply either returned to his spot or perhaps a bit higher. It doesn't seem genuine that the association simply not being true was enough for him to suddenly be your top town read when he was near null before.

Furthermore, you state that you had two possibilities in mind—Farkset defended a scummate or Farkset TMI read town—and that I convinced you it was the latter. I didn't at all make a case for why it is likely the latter, however. All I did was state that I believe that it was the case. How did that "convince" you?

Ame, the reason you're below them isn't because I started to townread you less. It's because I started to townread the people above you less. You're only lower because I townread the people above you stronger than I've ever townread you when you were at the top. You can consider yourself the barline of my reads D1. You did not move. Other people just got placed above you. Part of the reason they are above you is because I feel like they must be town. When I made that list there was still a small part of me considering you're really strong scum taking a townleading role.

I understand that I didn't move down, but it is off to me that others were placed above. If you are clearing Hectic from his disassociation with Fark, then why did you not clear me for the same reason? Why was Hectic, who has done little scumhunting this game, above me when I also had Fark disassociation + other townie aspects? The same goes with Spring.

1

Your read list.

Your progression on Pine. - Contradictory

Your meta read on Pine. - Countered

Your progression Spring. - Sufficient

Your progression on Ame. - Contradictory

2

Your director's commentary. - Sufficient

3

Your fence-sitting position on Farkset. - Sufficient

Pine didn't become my top town read only based on me changing my mind about the association being bad. He was null before D2. But now that I agree with you that Farkset was TMI defending him I believe his claim to be genuine therefore he IS town in my mind. That's why instead of going back to null/a light townread he became my number one.

It convinced me because I never even considered it being a TMI read. I just assumed that it was a bad association. You pointed out that it could be a TMI townread. I don't need you to explain that out for me. I thought about it and I was convinced that was more likely. Mainly because Pine wasn't really in a position that his scumbuddy would have to defend him.

I see my problem with your spot on the list now. I think of you as town so I never thought too much about your associations. I cleared Hectic and spring for their associations therefore put them above you because I was simply thinking of you as a town read and not cleared by association. So yes, you should be above hectic and spring in that list.

What posts specifically do you view as dissociations between you and Farkcet? And Ame being a hardclaimed vig with no one ccing that claim, would make him confitown no?

[Raven Branwen]

You told us why momo seemed scummy, not why Alisae seems townie.

E seems to be sorting more than Momo but that on reread, none of what I read could be out of eir scumrange. That was just my initial impression.

[Raven Branwen]

You told us why momo seemed scummy, not why Alisae seems townie.

E seems to be sorting more than Momo but that on reread, none of what I read could be out of eir scumrange. That was just my initial impression.

Rn, my most confident townreads are Ame, Hectic, Pink Ball and NotKnown15. I also liked Creature’s posts more than Alisae.

[Ame]

I think it's likely scum didn't sabotage anyone and scum Hectic is claiming so because he lost his XP from doing the night kill.

[Ame]

btw is anyone able to gift me an XP tonight? I just need 1.

[Ginngie]

I think it's likely scum didn't sabotage anyone and scum Hectic is claiming so because he lost his XP from doing the night kill.

this is a bad take

[Ginngie]

please dont make one player scum under the assumption that the scum team is incompetent.

[Ame]

Ginnie have you played with Spring before?

[Raven Branwen]

I think it's likely scum didn't sabotage anyone and scum Hectic is claiming so because he lost his XP from doing the night kill.

Did I miss something? Why are you scumreading Hectic now?

[Ginngie]

no not at all honestly

I actually haven't played with a lot of you people and I wonder if its fucking up m vibe.

I usually reference past games people played in but I know no one and I'm seeing blind basically.

[Raya36]

Ok. What happened to your lady town read from 854? And who are your two picks for scum?

Lady is still town in my NKA. However when making my next list I realized that I consider most of the playerlist more towny than her. I haven't really looked into creature much so that needs some attention. I don't have two picks for scum but momo is one pick.

Spoiler:

But closer to null slots like Pine

were only association. And I thought Farkset lightly defending him was a bad association. You pointed out to me that it was probably TMI from Farkset which made me realize my association was wrong. That association was the only reason Pine was so low. That point was enough to make me believe Pine is town. My two possibilities were Pine lied about his role at the start of the day and Farkset was lightly defending him because he is scum, or if Farkset was TMI defending him then he is town and his claim is true which makes him town. You convinced me that Farkset TMI read him, I believe his claim, he is town.

I think this is the critical piece. You state that Pine was close to null before the association and that the only reason he was a scum pick was because of it. However, after being convinced against the association, Pine became your top town read when he ought to have simply either returned to his spot or perhaps a bit higher. It doesn't seem genuine that the association simply not being true was enough for him to suddenly be your top town read when he was near null before.

Furthermore, you state that you had two possibilities in mind—Farkset defended a scummate or Farkset TMI read town—and that I convinced you it was the latter. I didn't at all make a case for why it is likely the latter, however. All I did was state that I believe that it was the case. How did that "convince" you?

Ame, the reason you're below them isn't because I started to townread you less. It's because I started to townread the people above you less. You're only lower because I townread the people above you stronger than I've ever townread you when you were at the top. You can consider yourself the barline of my reads D1. You did not move. Other people just got placed above you. Part of the reason they are above you is because I feel like they must be town. When I made that list there was still a small part of me considering you're really strong scum taking a townleading role.

I understand that I didn't move down, but it is off to me that others were placed above. If you are clearing Hectic from his disassociation with Fark, then why did you not clear me for the same reason? Why was Hectic, who has done little scumhunting this game, above me when I also had Fark disassociation + other townie aspects? The same goes with Spring.

1

Your read list.

Your progression on Pine. - Contradictory

Your meta read on Pine. - Countered

Your progression Spring. - Sufficient

Your progression on Ame. - Contradictory

2

Your director's commentary. - Sufficient

3

Your fence-sitting position on Farkset. - Sufficient

Pine didn't become my top town read only based on me changing my mind about the association being bad. He was null before D2. But now that I agree with you that Farkset was TMI defending him I believe his claim to be genuine therefore he IS town in my mind. That's why instead of going back to null/a light townread he became my number one.

It convinced me because I never even considered it being a TMI read. I just assumed that it was a bad association. You pointed out that it could be a TMI townread. I don't need you to explain that out for me. I thought about it and I was convinced that was more likely. Mainly because Pine wasn't really in a position that his scumbuddy would have to defend him.

I see my problem with your spot on the list now. I think of you as town so I never thought too much about your associations. I cleared Hectic and spring for their associations therefore put them above you because I was simply thinking of you as a town read and not cleared by association. So yes, you should be above hectic and spring in that list.

What posts specifically do you view as dissociations between you and Farkcet? And Ame being a hardclaimed vig with no one ccing that claim, would make him confitown no?

This was all done before ame claimed. ame would be tied with pine at the top right now if I were to make another.

You told us why momo seemed scummy, not why Alisae seems townie.

E seems to be sorting more than Momo but that on reread, none of what I read could be out of eir scumrange. That was just my initial impression.

Rn, my most confident townreads are Ame, Hectic, Pink Ball and NotKnown15. I also liked Creature’s posts more than Alisae.

Can you tell me about your townread on pink ball? Also why isn't pine in that list?


Pedit: I don't agree about hectic being scum

[Creature]

Damn my head really hurts

[Creature]

I don't know how well it can operate rn

[Ame]

Raya if you believe Farkset's Pine read is a TMI town read, don't you think it makes sense for me to scum read you for having similar reads D1 (your read of Pine and Chloe in 854)? How are those two reads any different than Farkset's? As I stated before, there was nothing AI in Pine's post. Why couldn't scum!Pine also be feeling better?

[Creature]

Did anything interesting happen?

[Raven Branwen]

Ok. What happened to your lady town read from 854? And who are your two picks for scum?

Lady is still town in my NKA. However when making my next list I realized that I consider most of the playerlist more towny than her. I haven't really looked into creature much so that needs some attention. I don't have two picks for scum but momo is one pick.

Spoiler:

But closer to null slots like Pine

were only association. And I thought Farkset lightly defending him was a bad association. You pointed out to me that it was probably TMI from Farkset which made me realize my association was wrong. That association was the only reason Pine was so low. That point was enough to make me believe Pine is town. My two possibilities were Pine lied about his role at the start of the day and Farkset was lightly defending him because he is scum, or if Farkset was TMI defending him then he is town and his claim is true which makes him town. You convinced me that Farkset TMI read him, I believe his claim, he is town.

I think this is the critical piece. You state that Pine was close to null before the association and that the only reason he was a scum pick was because of it. However, after being convinced against the association, Pine became your top town read when he ought to have simply either returned to his spot or perhaps a bit higher. It doesn't seem genuine that the association simply not being true was enough for him to suddenly be your top town read when he was near null before.

Furthermore, you state that you had two possibilities in mind—Farkset defended a scummate or Farkset TMI read town—and that I convinced you it was the latter. I didn't at all make a case for why it is likely the latter, however. All I did was state that I believe that it was the case. How did that "convince" you?

Ame, the reason you're below them isn't because I started to townread you less. It's because I started to townread the people above you less. You're only lower because I townread the people above you stronger than I've ever townread you when you were at the top. You can consider yourself the barline of my reads D1. You did not move. Other people just got placed above you. Part of the reason they are above you is because I feel like they must be town. When I made that list there was still a small part of me considering you're really strong scum taking a townleading role.

I understand that I didn't move down, but it is off to me that others were placed above. If you are clearing Hectic from his disassociation with Fark, then why did you not clear me for the same reason? Why was Hectic, who has done little scumhunting this game, above me when I also had Fark disassociation + other townie aspects? The same goes with Spring.

1

Your read list.

Your progression on Pine. - Contradictory

Your meta read on Pine. - Countered

Your progression Spring. - Sufficient

Your progression on Ame. - Contradictory

2

Your director's commentary. - Sufficient

3

Your fence-sitting position on Farkset. - Sufficient

Pine didn't become my top town read only based on me changing my mind about the association being bad. He was null before D2. But now that I agree with you that Farkset was TMI defending him I believe his claim to be genuine therefore he IS town in my mind. That's why instead of going back to null/a light townread he became my number one.

It convinced me because I never even considered it being a TMI read. I just assumed that it was a bad association. You pointed out that it could be a TMI townread. I don't need you to explain that out for me. I thought about it and I was convinced that was more likely. Mainly because Pine wasn't really in a position that his scumbuddy would have to defend him.

I see my problem with your spot on the list now. I think of you as town so I never thought too much about your associations. I cleared Hectic and spring for their associations therefore put them above you because I was simply thinking of you as a town read and not cleared by association. So yes, you should be above hectic and spring in that list.

What posts specifically do you view as dissociations between you and Farkcet? And Ame being a hardclaimed vig with no one ccing that claim, would make him confitown no?

This was all done before ame claimed. ame would be tied with pine at the top right now if I were to make another.

You told us why momo seemed scummy, not why Alisae seems townie.

E seems to be sorting more than Momo but that on reread, none of what I read could be out of eir scumrange. That was just my initial impression.

Rn, my most confident townreads are Ame, Hectic, Pink Ball and NotKnown15. I also liked Creature’s posts more than Alisae.

Can you tell me about your townread on pink ball? Also why isn't pine in that list?


Pedit: I don't agree about hectic being scum

I believe I said earlier that there were strong dissociatives between Farkcet and PB. As for Pine, why do you have him so high on your list? I didn’t put Pine into my list because I don’t currently have a confident read on him. The slots I mentioned are the ones I feel most confident on being town. Rereading Hectic ISO, it seems kind of antiparternery and most of his posting seems sincere and genuine, so I think Ame is probably barking up the wrong tree there.

[Pink Ball]

btw is anyone able to gift me an XP tonight? I just need 1.

Right now?

[Ame]

Tonight.