Open 778: Nightless Vanilla [Game Over!]

[Deimos27]

Sorry for the catch-up getting a bit lazier but my fatigue is at most equally as large an issue here as the posts being all fluff.

[Green Crayons]

There are multiple slots in this game i’d be happy to see get policy lynched tbh.

Name the slots.

Then tell me why firebringer and cycle men are more likely scum than the other policy lynch slots.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Then tell me why firebringer and cycle men are more likely scum than the other policy lynch slots.

Because some slots seem more like "town not giving a fuck" vs "scum intentionally not doing anything".

[Isis]

Man. I feel like I have no valid reason to townclear Deimos but if Deimos is scum I don't want to win this mafia game.

Newbies are indeed the most fluff deficient games. People in a fluffposting mood know better than to go ruin a newbie's on-ramp experience with it. And newbies themselves don't fluffpost until they reach a certain comfort level.

I myself fluffpost pretty heavily at times, but I pretty much always accompany it with content.

Firebringer has played several games with me and likes me so he is sheeping me for X hours. He hasn't ever professed I am good at reads or anything like that.

There might be enough Old Gods present to policy lynch Cycle Men and play the game with the remaining players because he's getting pretty defiant of playing any mafia.

I have been in my head a bunch about votato's scumclaim wifom, truth be told. His join date is recent enough for it to be -possible- to not learn this site's standard town PM color, and the standard town PM color at at least one other site is indeed blue (epic mafia).

I can't remember whether nsg used color in my role PM and am not gonna look it up because I don't consider that kind of thing really in the spirit of the game (but I'm still going to engage with parties that have brought it up).

The WIFOM is so much more intense if he actually doesn't know the town color and just kind of rolls with it (it looks like this game does have sample role PMs because nsg is a stellar mod). (I guess that means my role PM was probably colored because it was a copypaste of OP)

[Isis]

it looks like votato answered 18 minutes after i asked. If the timestamp was shorter I might ponder whether it'd constitute a townslip. Even if nothing precludes either alignment from making the post.

[Cycle Men]

fine, i vow to temporarily stop being belligerent

[humaneatingmonkey]

policy lynching? saying votato is scum because he said blue instead of green?

man, i feel like i'm on the wrong side of things.

happy to see that this game is moving away from garbage.

i've been away because i had to leroy jenkins a video i was editing for work.

i'm about to sleep now. give me 12 hours, and then i'll get back on this game.

TY.

[Green Crayons]

Then tell me why firebringer and cycle men are more likely scum than the other policy lynch slots.

Because some slots seem more like "town not giving a fuck" vs "scum intentionally not doing anything".

So in 298, you're okay with policy lynching (as-yet-to-be-divulged) town slot(s) even though you're reading it/them as town not giving a fuck.

[Green Crayons]

But. Whatever. This is like pulling teeth.

Why is firebringer and cycle men more like "scum intentionally not doing anything"?

[Cycle Men]

If a player is Incredibly Serious From Page 1 in their first phases of being a mafia, they might swing too much in the other direction of Never Serious Until Day 2 in phase two.

oh hey my life story

Will you make any read whatsoever if I ask really nicely?
Or shall we policy lynch you instead? ^^

shallow townleans on hem and isis
having played a fair bit with deimos offsite i'd go and say this lines up with his town meta

firebringer is
firebringer

im not fond of norwee but im not sure if i have any merit behind it that i can articulate or if im just biased against people who are against me

kinda waiting for looker to just do more

crayons is the only person i'd call firmly town atm

[Isis]

policy lynching? saying votato is scum because he said blue instead of green?

man, i feel like i'm on the wrong side of things.

happy to see that this game is moving away from garbage.

i've been away because i had to leroy jenkins a video i was editing for work.

i'm about to sleep now. give me 12 hours, and then i'll get back on this game.

TY.

uh i remember writing my post as almost-reprehensibly-equivocal
does it read that way to other people or am i losing my mind

[Green Crayons]

I have been in my head a bunch about votato's scumclaim wifom, truth be told. His join date is recent enough for it to be -possible- to not learn this site's standard town PM color, and the standard town PM color at at least one other site is indeed blue (epic mafia).

I forgot until yesterday, but the mod's first or second post has role PMs post. Including color.

How does that change your thinking?


(Also, this discovery has led me to firmly believe human is town.)

[Cycle Men]

i wish i could go more in-depth but i find myself busy atm

[votato]

Man. I feel like I have no valid reason to townclear Deimos but if Deimos is scum I don't want to win this mafia game.

Newbies are indeed the most fluff deficient games. People in a fluffposting mood know better than to go ruin a newbie's on-ramp experience with it. And newbies themselves don't fluffpost until they reach a certain comfort level.

I myself fluffpost pretty heavily at times, but I pretty much always accompany it with content.

Firebringer has played several games with me and likes me so he is sheeping me for X hours. He hasn't ever professed I am good at reads or anything like that.

There might be enough Old Gods present to policy lynch Cycle Men and play the game with the remaining players because he's getting pretty defiant of playing any mafia.

I have been in my head a bunch about votato's scumclaim wifom, truth be told. His join date is recent enough for it to be -possible- to not learn this site's standard town PM color, and the standard town PM color at at least one other site is indeed blue (epic mafia).

I can't remember whether nsg used color in my role PM and am not gonna look it up because I don't consider that kind of thing really in the spirit of the game (but I'm still going to engage with parties that have brought it up).

The WIFOM is so much more intense if he actually doesn't know the town color and just kind of rolls with it (it looks like this game does have sample role PMs because nsg is a stellar mod). (I guess that means my role PM was probably colored because it was a copypaste of OP)

Are we allowed to ask you to claim your role pm color? Cuz i really want to now. Am i the only one who feels like isis is scummy?

Actually I'm slighly sl firebringer from the way he has been shitposting, which reads slightly different than normal to me.

[votato]

I have been in my head a bunch about votato's scumclaim wifom, truth be told. His join date is recent enough for it to be -possible- to not learn this site's standard town PM color, and the standard town PM color at at least one other site is indeed blue (epic mafia).

I forgot until yesterday, but the mod's first or second post has role PMs post. Including color.

How does that change your thinking?


(Also, this discovery has led me to firmly believe human is town.)

Why does that make human town?

[Isis]

I have been in my head a bunch about votato's scumclaim wifom, truth be told. His join date is recent enough for it to be -possible- to not learn this site's standard town PM color, and the standard town PM color at at least one other site is indeed blue (epic mafia).

I forgot until yesterday, but the mod's first or second post has role PMs post. Including color.

How does that change your thinking?


(Also, this discovery has led me to firmly believe human is town.)

It doesn't, I acknowledged that availability of sample PMs in my post. (I found them halfway thru composing the post though)

Man. I feel like I have no valid reason to townclear Deimos but if Deimos is scum I don't want to win this mafia game.

Newbies are indeed the most fluff deficient games. People in a fluffposting mood know better than to go ruin a newbie's on-ramp experience with it. And newbies themselves don't fluffpost until they reach a certain comfort level.

I myself fluffpost pretty heavily at times, but I pretty much always accompany it with content.

Firebringer has played several games with me and likes me so he is sheeping me for X hours. He hasn't ever professed I am good at reads or anything like that.

There might be enough Old Gods present to policy lynch Cycle Men and play the game with the remaining players because he's getting pretty defiant of playing any mafia.

I have been in my head a bunch about votato's scumclaim wifom, truth be told. His join date is recent enough for it to be -possible- to not learn this site's standard town PM color, and the standard town PM color at at least one other site is indeed blue (epic mafia).

I can't remember whether nsg used color in my role PM and am not gonna look it up because I don't consider that kind of thing really in the spirit of the game (but I'm still going to engage with parties that have brought it up).

The WIFOM is so much more intense if he actually doesn't know the town color and just kind of rolls with it (it looks like this game does have sample role PMs because nsg is a stellar mod). (I guess that means my role PM was probably colored because it was a copypaste of OP)

Are we allowed to ask you to claim your role pm color? Cuz i really want to now. Am i the only one who feels like isis is scummy?

Actually I'm slighly sl firebringer from the way he has been shitposting, which reads slightly different than normal to me.

I hardclaim purple text in my role PM and will never rescind.

[Green Crayons]

I am caught up but I skimmed that part because it was boring


Let me do a quick reread but I have people already sorted

Here's mine

Town:
Alisae
Isis
Elements

No reads yet:
Green Crayons
Firebringer
Looker
Deimos27

Scum:
Cycle Men
votato
NorwegianboyEE

NorwegianboyEE scum
Firebringer scum
votato scum

Isis town
human town
elements town
Alisae town

everyone else null

We both made 3 scum sorting. human did before me. I did because I assumed 3 scum.

Yesterday when i actually read the first couple of mod posts, i see there are 4 scum. I'm sure I saw that when i looked up what the setup was before i signed up, but i had forgotten. human picking 3 scum instead of 4 aligns with my (town) assumption about a 3-mafia setup.

[Green Crayons]

I acknowledged that availability of sample PMs in my post

lol

I've gotten into the habit of skimming posts that are more than 3 lines.

[Green Crayons]

(That's not a knock against you, but me.)

[Green Crayons]

Yesterday when i actually read the first couple of mod posts, i see there are 4 scum. I'm sure I saw that when i looked up what the setup was before i signed up, but i had forgotten. human picking 3 scum instead of 4 aligns with my (town) assumption about a 3-mafia setup.

And, yes, this isn't a perfect measure for alignment but since when is mafia a hard science?

[Deimos27]

Spoiler: Green Crayons + HEM on votato

NorwegianboyEE scum
Firebringer scum
votato scum

Isis town
human town
elements town
Alisae town

everyone else null

I mean. I get the vote being RVS

But then you justify it with it being in some way bc of his reaction to Isis, which is not RVS

Do you see the disconnect?

i dont buy this.

i don't mind if votato is our first lynch today.

Again I'm surprised by how wildly differently I'm reading some posts compared to others. First it was the Isis opener, now it's votato's explanation of his RVS vote. I thought it was perfectly clear, as I outlined earlier in my catch-up, and would be happy to point to if someone is still confused. That his vote

had a cause

doesn't reflect in any way on whether it was RVS or not. And HEM is once again pushing it as if votato is the best lynch today for that non-reason alone.

I don't usually think poor reasoning is AI, but in this case I'm leaning a bit town!HEM, or at least {scum!votato -> town!HEM}, mainly because I think this kind of conf bias semi-tunneling would actually be pretty hard for scum to fake (especially against a partner, as it would be with a votato scumflip). LuckyLuciano taught me that bad play can often be a towntell and I think it might just apply here. HEM feels so accidentally

not

self-aware, unlike the fluff posters who can mask self-awareness by making uncaring play their meta.

@Green Crayons, do you have other reasons for sr'ing votato than this apparent RVS vs not-RVS disconnect? Why is Firebringer scum?

Cycle Man

>joins the game, but not really

im sorry did you expect me to have the game solved in half an hour on page 2?
how hard are you gonna try and force this?

Didn't look to me like he was forcing anything particularly hard. The frustrated tone here feels a bit inconsistent with your earlier indifference to being pressured. What happened?

P-Edit: Yo, game is progressing a bit fast for my liking. I'm still a handful of pages behind.

[Cycle Men]

can you blame me for being frustrated when i make my first post and half an hour later someone is getting self-righteous about my activity

[Cycle Men]

it makes me frustrated the same way people who think policy lynching is an actual viable pro-town concept do

[Deimos27]

Because some slots seem more like "town not giving a fuck" vs "scum intentionally not doing anything".

You've very diplomatically avoided stating which slots you consider to be the former, and which the latter.

[Green Crayons]

@Green Crayons, do you have other reasons for sr'ing votato than this apparent RVS vs not-RVS disconnect? Why is Firebringer scum?

TBH I stopped scumreading votato after the human/votato interaction.

(Note: just because I *followed* human's reason for suspecting votato does not mean I *agree* with it. I wanted to hear votato's explanation, which made complete sense. I also wanted to see how other people would react, which nobody really did, which is disappointing. But that Elements pointedly refused to really engage with this new reason to vote votato is a scum point for Elements.)

I originally scumread him because of Elements' early reasoning and basically i didn't like the "oooOOooOoOOooOOO I'm purposefully doing scumslips isn't that edgy!?! ooOOoOOoOoOO," as a really dumb scum tactic.



Firebringer because I didn't like his fluff posts, and it struck me as tryhard in trying to be active, but that's sort of mellowed out now that we have several players who are doing the same. I can go more indepth by re-reviewing his posts and try to reformulate what my motivating thoughts were, but I've lost that thread.